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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 23:46:19 GMT -5
It doesn’t help that champions lose on TV consistently just to set up a title match at the PPV. With a roster this huge, you can’t build a division that fights each other to earn a shot instead? The belts are completely meaningless, and now because belt makers are all over the place selling fakes, the collecting circle is growing, WWE wants to cash in. They also devalue matchups that way... here's Bob vs. George in a match... like 20 times... now pay to see Bob vs. George ... ON PPV! why the hell would I? I've seen it... in multiple variations already... It's one of the little things that makes AEW so refreshing. Jericho and Riho have only lost in tag matches, Scorpio's only lost in a singles match, and every time a champion's competed within their niche the belt's been on the line.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 1, 2019 23:48:34 GMT -5
The mid-card titles are what gets me. Those mean less than nothing. Nakamura may as well be carrying a bag of shit on his shoulder. Now there’s a gimmick. I don't even know which of them is the most useless. The North American belt is nothing but an excuse to get main event guys onto Takeover cards without coming up with a storyline for it, Rey Mysterio is the ninth person to have the US title this year (did you even remember R-Truth winning it in 2019?), and the Intercontinental title is basically just shorthand for, "This guy is getting his ass kicked every single time he's out there." ...Um, no I don't, actually. Let me check... ... What do you know, he actually did. Wow.
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Post by defectiveepitaph on Dec 1, 2019 23:57:43 GMT -5
Used to be a man wore a belt to hold up his pants. Now every dumb bastard needs to have a belt that means something. The kids these days! Ok, boomer. 🙄✌️😤💯
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 2, 2019 0:01:06 GMT -5
I don't even know which of them is the most useless. The North American belt is nothing but an excuse to get main event guys onto Takeover cards without coming up with a storyline for it, Rey Mysterio is the ninth person to have the US title this year (did you even remember R-Truth winning it in 2019?), and the Intercontinental title is basically just shorthand for, "This guy is getting his ass kicked every single time he's out there." ...Um, no I don't, actually. Let me check... ... What do you know, he actually did. Wow. Not only did he win it, but he actually defended it the same night and retained it.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 2, 2019 0:03:16 GMT -5
Used to be a man wore a belt to hold up his pants. Now every dumb bastard needs to have a belt that means something. The kids these days! Ok, boomer. 🙄✌️😤💯 I don't think we've ever interacted before. Hi I'm TWERKIN' MAGGLE and I-
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Post by defectiveepitaph on Dec 2, 2019 0:14:10 GMT -5
I don't think we've ever interacted before. Hi I'm TWERKIN' MAGGLE and I- OK BOOMER
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Dec 2, 2019 0:26:55 GMT -5
To me it's booking. I don't care how long or short somebody's reign is if it's booked well. I'll take a well booked short reign over a long reign where nothing memorable happens beyond a guy bragging how he's held the belt for x amount of days. Nakamura’s been IC champion since May, and I can’t think of a single thing he’s done besides introduce a new version of the title, and now that I think about it that was actually Sami doing it. All the belts now just feel like “we got no real plans for you but here’s a belt and a 5 year 8 million dollar contract, please don’t go to Cody’s clubhouse pls”
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Post by Dub H on Dec 2, 2019 0:33:29 GMT -5
When was the last time winning the belt meant something?
Dolph betting his career for the IC Title( which meant shit a after since lost a week later)?
Daniek Bryan at WM?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 0:35:21 GMT -5
IMO there should only be...
WWE Title Women’s Title Tag Titles Women’s Tag Intercontinental Title Cruiserweight Title
NXT Title NXT Women’s NXT Tag Titles North American Title
UK Title
There is no need for the US Title or two World/Women’s/Tags. It’s overload.
Have all the title holders appear on every show.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 0:35:33 GMT -5
When was the last time winning the belt meant something? Dolph betting his career for the IC Title( which meant shit a after since lost a week later)? Daniek Bryan at WM? Yeah, I'd say the Miz / Dolph feud. While the end of that ended up being terrible, at least it felt like a huge deal when Ziggler put his career on the line... even if for no f***ing reason they closed that PPV on an awful Orton / Wyatt match instead of it. But I guess it's fine since the belt later main-evented Filler PPV #35839 in that Iron Man match no one liked.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 2, 2019 0:42:12 GMT -5
When was the last time winning the belt meant something? Dolph betting his career for the IC Title( which meant shit a after since lost a week later)? Daniek Bryan at WM? Kingston. This year, like. I know nobody liked the whole Lesnar thing and how that put a cloud over things at the end, but that initial win meant a lot to everyone. To Kingston himself, to The New Day, to other African-American wrestlers, African-American fans, hell, for just about any fan in general.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 2, 2019 0:43:14 GMT -5
When was the last time winning the belt meant something? Dolph betting his career for the IC Title( which meant shit a after since lost a week later)? Daniek Bryan at WM? Kingston. This year, like. I know nobody liked the whole Lesnar thing and how that put a cloud over things at the end, but that initial win meant a lot to everyone. To Kingston himself, to The New Day, to African-American fans, hell, for just about any fan in general. Oh yeh that is fair.I forglr the win was pretty great since I tuned out a lot of WWE this year and actually forgot he won.But def Kingston
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Post by jivesoulbrah on Dec 2, 2019 1:06:28 GMT -5
It doesn’t help that champions lose on TV consistently just to set up a title match at the PPV. With a roster this huge, you can’t build a division that fights each other to earn a shot instead? The belts are completely meaningless, and now because belt makers are all over the place selling fakes, the collecting circle is growing, WWE wants to cash in. They also devalue matchups that way... here's Bob vs. George in a match... like 20 times... now pay to see Bob vs. George ... ON PPV! why the hell would I? I've seen it... in multiple variations already... This this 100% this. Feuds just DO NOT END EVER. It’s like every feud is a best of 21 series. This wasn’t a problem in the 80s and 90s typically (outside of Mankind vs The Rock feud maybe)
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Post by Rican on Dec 2, 2019 1:57:07 GMT -5
Each brand should have a top men’s singles title, a top women’s singles title, and tag belts. That’s it. Mid card titles are an outdated concept IMO. The NXT title essentially functions as what the IC title used to be.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 2, 2019 2:03:19 GMT -5
I don't mind the idea of having two sets of titles... (well 3 with NXT) but... like... only if they keep the rosters completely separate.
Raw and Smackdown rosters being treated basically like separate companies... (without the brand warfare stuff again separate)
The companies issues would still exist if they only had the one set of titles... we know this because... they basically did when Brock f***ed off with the Universal title and the top of the card was even more aimless than they've been which is one of the reason they have such an issue main event talent depth...
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Post by autisticgeordie on Dec 2, 2019 3:29:33 GMT -5
To me it's booking. I don't care how long or short somebody's reign is if it's booked well. I'll take a well booked short reign over a long reign where nothing memorable happens beyond a guy bragging how he's held the belt for x amount of days. Nakamura’s been IC champion since May, and I can’t think of a single thing he’s done besides introduce a new version of the title, and now that I think about it that was actually Sami doing it. All the belts now just feel like “we got no real plans for you but here’s a belt and a 5 year 8 million dollar contract, please don’t go to Cody’s clubhouse pls” I forgot Naka was even the IC Champ!
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Dec 2, 2019 7:12:20 GMT -5
You're trying to tell me you don't want to win a pencil sketch of an angry clown face? Pft. Guess you just don't love this business.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Dec 2, 2019 11:15:43 GMT -5
Nakamura’s been IC champion since May, and I can’t think of a single thing he’s done besides introduce a new version of the title, and now that I think about it that was actually Sami doing it. All the belts now just feel like “we got no real plans for you but here’s a belt and a 5 year 8 million dollar contract, please don’t go to Cody’s clubhouse pls” I forgot Naka was even the IC Champ! Honest to god, I have to really think to recall who is a champion these days. Especially IC, which has always been my favorite belt. It usually stole the show, and it meant somebody was moving up the card. But yeah, titles mean jack and shit these days. As mentioned, when it was just WWE, IC, Tag, and Women's titles, it worked. When they had the European and Hardcore titles, it worked. When Raw was still only two hours, it worked. During the InVasion with WCW and ECW's titles, it worked. This is what kills me the most. The WWE can EASILY put on Attitude Era quality shows every single week. They just don't, and it is painfully frustrating.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Dec 2, 2019 11:31:12 GMT -5
I forgot Naka was even the IC Champ! Honest to god, I have to really think to recall who is a champion these days. Especially IC, which has always been my favorite belt. It usually stole the show, and it meant somebody was moving up the card. But yeah, titles mean jack and shit these days. As mentioned, when it was just WWE, IC, Tag, and Women's titles, it worked. When they had the European and Hardcore titles, it worked. When Raw was still only two hours, it worked. During the InVasion with WCW and ECW's titles, it worked. This is what kills me the most. The WWE can EASILY put on Attitude Era quality shows every single week. They just don't, and it is painfully frustrating. That makes it worse, it'd be one thing if it was like the New Generation where, apart from a handful of workers like Scott Hall, Bret, HBK, Owen Hart and those types, you couldn't really expect anything great from most of the roster. So that gave them a bit of an 'out' in terms of how bad the era was. This current WWE has no f***ing excuse, when you have a roster that rich with talent and charismatic people, it's a damn crime to misuse them like WWE is currently doing.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 2, 2019 12:11:08 GMT -5
NXT titles do
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