TJP on WWE's micromanaging.

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[eJm]

Man, even reading all of that’s giving me anxiety.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

If they want to manage to that level, wouldn’t it be cheaper just to buy a video game?

[The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM}]

He was really open and detailed in his answers. A good AMA.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

No wonder Moxley looks like he's rediscovered himself. No wonder almost anyone who leaves the company look like they're taking in air for the first time in years.

This is something only a handful of people could ever stomach doing for an extended period of time, not really surprised you seeguys losing their mind, especially to go through all of that, not be pushed, and not be over. It's pointless.

[Feyrhausen]

This kind of thing may have really got going during the OVW and DSW clone factory days. When they were hiring a bunch of generic pretty boys with no experience and trying to turn them into wrestlers (like turning models into Divas).

Some people may actually like this sort of thing. Takes the pressure off of them. Its just you need to know when to let the experienced people just do their thing. They used to be able to do that. Goes back to the whole branding issue IMO. Everything has to be WWE style and presentation. Nothing can be unique or original.

[eJm]

Dec 10, 2019 3:44:21 GMT -5 Feyrhausen said:

This kind of thing may have really got going during the OVW and DSW clone factory days. When they were hiring a bunch of generic pretty boys with no experience and trying to turn them into wrestlers (like turning models into Divas).

Some people may actually like this sort of thing. Takes the pressure off of them. Its just you need to know when to let the experienced people just do their thing. They used to be able to do that. Goes back to the whole branding issue IMO. Everything has to be WWE style and presentation. Nothing can be unique or original.

Yeah, like, there are probably people on the roster that would like to know what to do when in the same way actors do for stuff. But for every actor that likes direction, like you said, it doesn't leave room for any improv or adjusting to what the crowd does.

How many times have we seen the crowd give zero f***s about something and the talents' response is to just carry on as planned regardless? Too many and it doesn't really help in getting people into the product and atmosphere.

[Feyrhausen]

Dec 10, 2019 4:01:02 GMT -5 eJm said:

Dec 10, 2019 3:44:21 GMT -5 Feyrhausen said:

This kind of thing may have really got going during the OVW and DSW clone factory days. When they were hiring a bunch of generic pretty boys with no experience and trying to turn them into wrestlers (like turning models into Divas).

Some people may actually like this sort of thing. Takes the pressure off of them. Its just you need to know when to let the experienced people just do their thing. They used to be able to do that. Goes back to the whole branding issue IMO. Everything has to be WWE style and presentation. Nothing can be unique or original.

Yeah, like, there are probably people on the roster that would like to know what to do when in the same way actors do for stuff. But for every actor that likes direction, like you said, it doesn't leave room for any improv or adjusting to what the crowd does.

How many times have we seen the crowd give zero f***s about something and the talents' response is to just carry on as planned regardless? Too many and it doesn't really help in getting people into the product and atmosphere.

I'm sure if Austin was making an appearance Friday that WWE would plot out his every line and action down to the last detail. Or tell Rock what second to raise his eyebrow on. And Austin would walk out like he did when told he was losing to Coach.

[IgnahtaSempria]

This definitely gives some extra context to those situations where spots get blown and people just freeze up. Because if you're told every little thing to do, and suddenly something doesn't go the way you're told, and you aren't really allowed to improvise, what do you do?

[the2ndevil]

Dec 10, 2019 3:00:41 GMT -5 eJm said:

Man, even reading all of that’s giving me anxiety.

Giant blocks of text do that to me, too.

Seriously. Formatting goes a long way.

[eJm]

Dec 10, 2019 9:04:13 GMT -5 the2ndevil said:

Dec 10, 2019 3:00:41 GMT -5 eJm said:

Man, even reading all of that’s giving me anxiety.

Giant blocks of text do that to me, too.

Seriously. Formatting goes a long way.

It was more the content then the formatting but I get that too.

[Chiral]

All that just on 205 Live, I wonder if the main roster shows are even worse about this.

[Tenshigure]

Dec 10, 2019 9:22:07 GMT -5 Chiral said:

All that just on 205 Live, I wonder if the main roster shows are even worse about this.

"They're saying to grab Lana's ass more in front of her husband, Bobby. We really need to SELL that you've broken your dick off this woman!"

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they completely erase your past and you become some guy off the street

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And to think, people still try to come with the "(insert wrestler) isn't great" comments when the reality is we don't know how great they are given they're being limited.

[Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story]

Honestly, if they're being given that level of direction all the time it's kind of a miracle nobody's gotten hurt in there. It's probably distracting as hell.

[warden]

Dec 10, 2019 11:32:29 GMT -5 @kn said:

And to think, people still try to come with the "(insert wrestler) isn't great" comments when the reality is we don't know how great they are given they're being limited.

I can honestly say that someone like dolph ziggler isn't great. He's been here for 15 years and nothing, and he's only gotten worse. While on the other end of the spectrum we have daniel bryan who is in the same company and is given the same limitations and yet has proven to be the greatest. Some guys just know how to adapt better than others, the cream always rises to the top

[eJm]

Dec 10, 2019 11:32:29 GMT -5 @kn said:

And to think, people still try to come with the "(insert wrestler) isn't great" comments when the reality is we don't know how great they are given they're being limited.

It's honestly something I've grown to realise over the last couple of years and one of the things that put me off from watching anymore. Like, you have this vibrant list of talents, some of them with the right guidance can genuinely be big stars or at the very least really solid presences and it's like you're watching them on autopilot. There's not even the room 99% of the time for, say, an intense grudge match to start with brawling. It has to be a lockup and it has to be grappling and it's like "...so do you guys hate each other or...?"

You can go as far as look at Dean Ambrose. He and Jon Moxley might as well be completely different people in every sense.

[Dub H]

Dec 10, 2019 11:51:43 GMT -5 warden said:

Dec 10, 2019 11:32:29 GMT -5 @kn said:

And to think, people still try to come with the "(insert wrestler) isn't great" comments when the reality is we don't know how great they are given they're being limited.

I can honestly say that someone like dolph ziggler isn't great. He's been here for 15 years and nothing, and he's only gotten worse. While on the other end of the spectrum we have daniel bryan who is in the same company and is given the same limitations and yet has proven to be the greatest. Some guys just know how to adapt better than others, the cream always rises to the top

The sams Ziggler that has put matches people love and has been over like almost no one in the roster has been?


Not to say there isnt people you cant see that arent good. But it tells alot why some talent from outside fail to live to the hype.

Daniel Bryan today is probably the guys with most freedom because otherwise he would just leave. you forget that when Bryan was a midcarder his matches were.nothing to write about

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Dec 10, 2019 11:51:43 GMT -5 warden said:

I can honestly say that someone like dolph ziggler isn't great. He's been here for 15 years and nothing, and he's only gotten worse. While on the other end of the spectrum we have daniel bryan who is in the same company and is given the same limitations and yet has proven to be the greatest. Some guys just know how to adapt better than others, the cream always rises to the top

Nah, that's not true. Ziggler's had a lot of moments that had people on their feet. He only started to go downhill around these past 4 years. He was a favorite due to how good he was. Bryan also isn't a good comparison here because Bryan doesn't have the same limitations as Ziggler, he's got way less. Bryan's the same guy who told the company he wanted to work with Ali which gave him a bump to the main roster, Bryan's also the same guy who said he wanted to work SD in 2015 which is why he was sent there and was their main guy for a bit until he had to take time off again. He's also the guy who Meltzer said told the company that he wanted to prolong this Wyatt storyline which is why Wyatt's focused on Miz right now. He has a lot of leverage, way more than most of the roster.

Ziggler doesn't even have that kind of leverage and it's not even about how great their in-ring skills are because no matter how boring people think Ziggler is the company always gives him those "I'm damn great in the ring" promos because they know he is.

Dec 10, 2019 11:57:08 GMT -5 eJm said:

It's honestly something I've grown to realise over the last couple of years and one of the things that put me off from watching anymore. Like, you have this vibrant list of talents, some of them with the right guidance can genuinely be big stars or at the very least really solid presences and it's like you're watching them on autopilot. There's not even the room 99% of the time for, say, an intense grudge match to start with brawling. It has to be a lockup and it has to be grappling and it's like "...so do you guys hate each other or...?"

You can go as far as look at Dean Ambrose. He and Jon Moxley might as well be completely different people in every sense.

Just imagine if you're a wrestler who's learning all these different styles, moves, know yourself in and out and then you get told you have to keep all of that locked up and instead go by what they say. Most of the time it's purely based on physical appearance. Just imagine.

Dean Ambrose was as great as he was with all of those limitations and even more so that guy had more freedom than most. If he was that great? Just imagine how superstars are with more restrictions who didn't have 2 dudes who helped him team up on officials and writers.

It's wild. A lot of these guys have no chance. Look at someone as revered as Cedric for his 205 and Cruiserweight Classic work. Where is he now?