clifford
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Post by clifford on Dec 17, 2019 4:57:40 GMT -5
The last Raw and Smackdowns I've watched were the go home ones for Wrestlemania 34.
There's no point in watching them- the WWE don't give a shit about the effort they put into them, so why should you? 80% of the stuff that occurs on them doesn't make sense/doesn't matter and the other 20% ends up pointless too cause of WWE 50/50 booking. The heels are awful, the faces are worse, the commentary worse again. I watch the monthly PPVs and every single time by the end of them I have my fists balled up in rage at how shit they are.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 6:20:53 GMT -5
I think the best way to watch WWE outside of NXT is just watch the PPVs. Raw and Smackdown are like glorified house shows. These shows are broke and it will take Vince leaving for it to change. Heyman and Pritchard are happy to kiss ass as they have a great job, they won't rock the boat. Vince leaving will breathe life into the product. Smackdown going to FOX was meant to be a new era but it's the same show as it was before.
I don't even think the weekly shows are awful, they're just stale and uninteresting but it's been this way for a long while. Too many wrestlers have been overexposed and booked badly.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 17, 2019 6:40:17 GMT -5
I got back into it in 2002 and watched religiously. Through the reign of terror, through terrible Smackdown B show, through Raw guest hosts. Bought every PPV, merch, recorded all the shows. TNA also. When they brought in Hogan and Bisch it was the beginning of the end for me. I slowly stopped watching. Came back in 2016 when AJ debuted. Mainly watched Smackdown after the brand split but got big into NXT. Then next year when they stripped Smackdown and I started to not watch again. Came back during the Becky Lynch rise but could not stand watching Raw. I only have Hulu so all the guys I wanted to see got left out of the edited show.
Now I watch NXT and Takeovers, even through the ups and downs. I watch Smackdown here and there but have no problem turning it off and never finishing an ep when it turns to BS. Wish I could try AEW but I'm not getting cable just for it.
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Post by evilone on Dec 17, 2019 6:41:16 GMT -5
At mid 30s you've passed the threshold of the product. At that point you either find it stale/same ol' or insulting your intelligence and that's ok. For the same reasons I mark as hell when watching Lucha Underground, it's a comic like tale told through wrestling, no make-believe, no soap opera, no stupid worked shoots, just superhero like acts and atomic wrestling with larger than life spots. Or you just stick to old school mat wrestling where two guys find themselves randomly against each other on the card and keep working for twenty plus minutes, no backstory, no bs and you look forward for their rematch to see if they can top the first one.
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mrbananagrabber
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Dec 17, 2019 6:43:58 GMT -5
Do other TV show forums get this sort of thing? Is there a Simpson’s discussion group where someone is saying “arghhh I can’t take it anymore it’s not been good for years, I can’t take it anymore!”
Is this sort of thing only reserved for wrestling?
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Honeybear Lyder
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Post by Honeybear Lyder on Dec 17, 2019 7:00:48 GMT -5
Um, I can name two periods that were worse than what we have now. Some years ago when they had Sheamus vs Ziggler and Jericho vs Rollins on every show every week and 1996 with Jake Roberts, Roddy Piper, The Ultimate Warrior and a whooping total of four tag teams in the roster.
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Post by celtics543 on Dec 17, 2019 7:10:18 GMT -5
I'm with you. I was completely burnt out on WWE, the whole product. I haven't watched a whole show, or really over an hour of any WWE show in so long that I can't remember. AEW though I have completely enjoyed and find it to be an easy 2 hours to get through. Once a week is the perfect amount of time for a wrestling show. Things progress but not so fast that you're missing things. It just has a different feel, like WCW back in the day, and I really appreciate it right now.
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Post by Redbeard's Ghost on Dec 17, 2019 7:10:25 GMT -5
I'm a bit older than the OP, having grown up through the "Rock n Wrestling" and territory eras. WWE has always gone through periods where the product is stale, but this is the worst I can remember it being. I'm completely turned off by even the presentation of the product, let alone the product itself. I turn on RAW or SD while I'm playing with my kids, working, etc. It has long ceased being "must watch" TV for me.
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Post by Sam Punk on Dec 17, 2019 10:34:24 GMT -5
Have you considered watching American Gladiators instead?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 10:58:30 GMT -5
I watch AEW. It's 2 hours a week, and it's far less than what the WWE demands of my time. In addition to that, things move at a pretty solid click with AEW. I sometimes watch After Dark, but not every week. I watch the matches that sound most interesting from New Japan.
Simply put, just walk away. I don't owe any company my time.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 17, 2019 14:19:00 GMT -5
I gave up on regular weekly WWE shows nearly 15 years ago. It was rough for awhile mainly having to buy a lot of ROH DVDs in the old days and hoping that TNA would ever get consistent as a weekly product, but 2019 is about as good as it gets for wrestling options and it's been a blast for me: NJPW World is my main wrestling investment, my DVR currently has AEW, Impact, ROH, MLW, and a couple smaller shows on it that I'm trying out, NWA and Beyond are readily available on YouTube, GCW PPVs run for like $10 a pop on Fite, so even if I was interested in watching WWE regularly I just wouldn't be, anyway, with all the time commitment it'd involve.
So yeah, compared to what the scene used to be if you wanted to get your fix while ignoring WWE, which usually meant the time and financial commitment picking one indy company and buying a lot of their DVDs, we're in a veritable golden age of options. Hell, I might give up some my easier options to try a couple other puro/joshi promotions, it's just not worth sitting around and getting upset watching anything when there's so many other avenues, tons of which are free, to follow instead.
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nisidhe
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Post by nisidhe on Dec 17, 2019 15:13:14 GMT -5
I've pretty much given up on main roster WWE at this point. Moreover, since Sportsnet made the decision for me, I don't get to see NXT until Friday, and even then it's a truncated version so more often that's a skip as well.
Vince McMahon is to blame for this - 100% for this. Everything that anyone does for WWE is doing it at his behest. The buck, as I see it, starts and stops with him.
NWA Powerrr has an aesthetic I rather like, though I wish sometimes they weren't so obviously self-aware. AEW can be awesome with a centralized creative team (not necessarily TV writers, but a booking committee that isn't going to automatically approve everything that's been showing up on TV - Brandi and Kong need to sync up with the Dark Order if the aim is to get either over, for example.) RoH is now where Impact was a couple years ago; Impact is making a comeback.
There are options. Then again, there are also issues with pro wrestling in general that could stand some addressing, but that's another topic, I think.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Dec 17, 2019 15:25:52 GMT -5
Do as I do.
Never watch.
I don't even watch the YouTube clips anymore.
I'll check out Brock stuff and anything big going on but that's about it.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Dec 17, 2019 15:44:38 GMT -5
I haven't watched since Wrestlemania 30. Last time I cared about the product.
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Post by ogreknee on Dec 17, 2019 16:01:57 GMT -5
Maybe i like the medium of pro wrestling but i consome so much of everything that my taste varies.
I only watch sd and nxt. I mostly watch new japan. I watch parts of aew. But i make time for stuff i like.
These long rants declaring not a fan means well maybe you just do not like wrestling anymore. It happens.
I will never be watching tna or nwa or any of that junk. But i will watch a hyped mlw show.
I used to go to pwg shows before the super indy era.
But eh.
Been seeing these posts online for 20 years whether it is simpsons or wrestling. Or decrying the comic book movie bubble. Or whatever
I could go on about how chikara sucks because it is white washed lucha and just feels so lame and does not cater to any of my tastes as a wrestling fan.
But i do not ever post in any chikara thread anywhere.
Do not see what these posts ever accomplish.
Nobody cares. Just don't watch then
Honestly we have been living in an on demand world. Cable does not matter. We can watch wrestling through other means. The thing is you can choose what you want to watch.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Dec 18, 2019 10:14:56 GMT -5
Come watch AEW with us. We have punch and cookies. * (*sadly, there is no punch and cookies really. BUT A-E-Dub is quite fun.) We have Orange juice, too. Freshly Squeezed, I might add.
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Post by lemonyellowson on Dec 18, 2019 11:53:44 GMT -5
you tube highlights are your friend.
I literally used to stay up to 4am every monday to watch - then go to work wrecked the next day - did that for years. Haven't done it for at least 2/3 years now and just catch up on youtube on my lunch break on tuesday. does the job - I still get to see how turd it is but in a lot less time and in a way that doesn't destroy my sleeping patterns. Same for Smackdown and NXT.
Still make a point of watching all the takeovers live and also still Rumble, Mania and Summerslam.
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Post by r. on Dec 18, 2019 16:14:17 GMT -5
I was were the op is now but only years ago. Most of the time I read recaps or catch a stream of raw but only if I'm interested in something specific.
My issues with the company are much deeper than random periods of crap.
The whole deal with the Saudi's
Their tone-deafness in regards to race, gender, and sexual orientation when they make cringe segments no one enjoys.
Willingly ruining their main titles to please a part-timer because MMA is cool atm
Jobbing out built guys they built up, In some cases meer seconds because they are either too lazy to book a match or are too stupid to work it within the TV time.
Having for over a decade made babyfaces unlikable idiot goofs
Punishing paying fans with bait and switches along with non-finishes.
Hiring seemingly every wrestler they can either to only not use them or to bring them up to the main show and do nothing with them just to make sure someone else can't have them. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I made a wise move by simply not watching. If I want to be angry but in an entertaining way I have plenty of other shows and even other wrestling shows.
To paraphrase CM Punk WWE doesn't need you and you don't need them, they will make money in spite of whether we watch or not.
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Post by r. on Dec 18, 2019 16:17:03 GMT -5
The last Raw and Smackdowns I've watched were the go home ones for Wrestlemania 34. There's no point in watching them- the WWE don't give a shit about the effort they put into them, so why should you? 80% of the stuff that occurs on them doesn't make sense/doesn't matter and the other 20% ends up pointless too cause of WWE 50/50 booking. The heels are awful, the faces are worse, the commentary worse again. I watch the monthly PPVs and every single time by the end of them I have my fists balled up in rage at how shit they are. It was the go-home show It's the Christmas season School is back and kids can't watch at night It's the summer season people are on vacation It was a holiday before/after It was the [team]vs[team] game in [sport] It's always something and It isn't you specifically nor am I implying you ere defending it only I have heard this time and time again. Eventually, we need to admit to ourselves either the show is bad, not for us or both.
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Post by warden on Dec 18, 2019 17:22:28 GMT -5
See you all next week, lol
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