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Post by eJm on Mar 27, 2024 6:51:46 GMT -5
The thing with most of the minor grifters is that they don't actually watch shows properly. They hear some noise, watch a few clips and try to get attention. Wwe is very good for this easily digestable approach because their video packages make anything look good. A crowd going mad for The Rock is simple to grasp. At its best you have to actually watch aew to get the most out of it. Leads to weird takes when they clearly missed the part of the build that explained why something happened. It's worse when people do watch the shows and don't pay attention. Like so many times I've seen people on Twitter or wherever else be confused about something that happened that was explained on commentary or had an angle play out on a previous show or whatever or expect validation now and such. And hey, I'm not saying I'm perfect with these things but I at least try and look through several sources of people who do watch before saying my view on stuff. As an aside, my flatmate constantly tells me (having not watched the product) how he worries AEW will end up like TNA and, like, no disrespect to what TNA's done but so much of AEW's success laps literally every other promotion formed after 2002, it's not remotely funny. Even with the better TV ratings, Dixie Carter would have killed Serg for the consistent PPV buyrates, never mind the attendances.
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Post by Kalmia on Mar 27, 2024 7:42:04 GMT -5
I don't think it's an organised campaign or anything like that. It's just grifters and chancers seeing the engagement that wild takes on AEW gets and wanting a piece of the pie. There is legitimate criticism of AEW out there but that doesn't grab attention the way "SOMEONE IS GOING TO DIE!!!!" does.
It's click bait at its worst and as wrestling is still and always will be, carny to its bones a lot of people have no issues in putting out ridiculous takes to get a reaction.
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Post by Chiral on Mar 27, 2024 14:36:13 GMT -5
I see the clickbait grift as like a console war deal; I get the vibe that the perception at least among grifters is that one console/company will be the cool one you praise for clicks and the other will be the one you dump on to get clicks.
Not to speak anything about the actual quality of either and I don't wanna make any judgments about people enjoying their preferred brand, but it feels like to grifting types AEW is similar to mid-gen PS3 recovering from some big mistakes and isn't the cool one and WWE is like mid gen Xbox 360 where it can do no wrong.
IDK who Nintendo is in this metaphor, TNA doing weird shit on the side I guess lol
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Post by stoptheclocks on Mar 27, 2024 20:07:43 GMT -5
At times I feel like there is a media campaign against AEW. Haven’t seen a company get this much ba lash in a long time and the majority of it is bad faith concerns that barely resemble anything AEW is doing. It definitely feels that way especially with the upturn in how generously WWE is perceived. I know they've improved but they seem to get the same level of praise even when they deliver an absolute dud, and by most metrics they deliver more of them than AEW whether that's a weekly show, match or PPV. Really feels like astroturfing. AEW could do with some more friends in the media. Ironically I started watching AEW because of the backlash of Brawl Out and hearing certain people talk about what a joke AEW was and how much it sucked and blah blah blah. I'd intended to watch for ages but life had always gotten in the way and I was travelling for a while but upon hearing that I was like "there's no way it can be that bad". The bits I'd seen (Punk's debut, Cody vs Dustin, the first Parking Lot Fight, Lucha Bros vs Bucks Cage Match, the crowd singing Judas without the music, a couple of MJF promos and Le Dinner Debonair) had all been incredible and I'd read loads of critical acclaim for early Dynamite's and virtually all of their PPV's so I just didn't believe it. Sure enough I tuned in and it was f***ing great, easily the best mainstream wrestling I'd seen in 20 years and it wasn't even close. And that was them arguably at their worst. They went on a crazy run of high quality shows towards the end of that year, all really well received in front of hot crowds and the perception of it and reactions didn't change a jot. I stopped properly listening to anything regarding wrestling and reading reviews at that point because what I was hearing just didn't even remotely resemble what I was seeing, as you've alluded to at the end of your post there. I don't actively seek anything out now but still see it all the time, the clickbaity headlines about how bad AEW is now, usually right after they've delivered one of their best ever shows or something similar. By which metrics?
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 29, 2024 13:47:01 GMT -5
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Post by wildojinx on Mar 30, 2024 10:48:47 GMT -5
I dont care what anyone says, Butcher was cooler looking when he had hair, he looked more like a 70s dirtbag heel. Plus, it gave him a distinct look from his partner (is Blade injured? I havent seen him on tv lately).
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Mar 30, 2024 10:55:03 GMT -5
I dont care what anyone says, Butcher was cooler looking when he had hair, he looked more like a 70s dirtbag heel. Plus, it gave him a distinct look from his partner (is Blade injured? I havent seen him on tv lately). That Skullet/Big beard combo along with the monocle just made him look cool AF Butcher and Blade just scream "80's movie henchemen" which would probably explain why they always lost
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Post by Hypnosis on Mar 30, 2024 10:59:05 GMT -5
I dont care what anyone says, Butcher was cooler looking when he had hair, he looked more like a 70s dirtbag heel. Plus, it gave him a distinct look from his partner (is Blade injured? I havent seen him on tv lately). That Skullet/Big beard combo along with the monocle just made him look cool AF Butcher and Blade just scream "80's movie henchemen" which would probably explain why they always lost I wish they could have had a tag title reign during 2020.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 30, 2024 11:18:29 GMT -5
Riho kicked Adam Cole's ass in Street Fighter on Kenny Omega's Twitch last night. It was hilarious. Didn't know Riho was that good. Get her to EVO.
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Post by Chiral on Apr 2, 2024 16:25:26 GMT -5
It's only Tuesday and this week feels like such a bummer, I wish the vibes were better in general but we get stupid releases, Punk back on his shit, and then everywhere online feels so console war BS about the business stuff. It's fine when the shows are on cuz I can just have fun with those but ughhh I wish things weren't such a downer around it.
I realize it's one if those things where I should just disengage and do anything else but bleeghhhh it's hard to break habits.
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Post by Bo Rida on Apr 2, 2024 16:50:51 GMT -5
It's only Tuesday and this week feels like such a bummer, I wish the vibes were better in general but we get stupid releases, Punk back on his shit, and then everywhere online feels so console war BS about the business stuff. It's fine when the shows are on cuz I can just have fun with those but ughhh I wish things weren't such a downer around it. I realize it's one if those things where I should just disengage and do anything else but bleeghhhh it's hard to break habits. It's so disheartening, it should be a week to celebrate all that's good about wrestling. There should be something for everyone. I said it in the wwe Punk thread but if he actually cared about the business like he says he does he wouldn't have sucked up all the attention that might have gone to smaller shows and upcoming wrestlers during the most important week of their year. If hhh cared he wouldn't have let him. Then aew act even worse by releasing people. Meanwhile the thread about the complete schedule for the week in Wrest is two posts long.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 2, 2024 17:47:14 GMT -5
It's only Tuesday and this week feels like such a bummer, I wish the vibes were better in general but we get stupid releases, Punk back on his shit, and then everywhere online feels so console war BS about the business stuff. It's fine when the shows are on cuz I can just have fun with those but ughhh I wish things weren't such a downer around it. I realize it's one if those things where I should just disengage and do anything else but bleeghhhh it's hard to break habits. It's so disheartening, it should be a week to celebrate all that's good about wrestling. There should be something for everyone. I said it in the wwe Punk thread but if he actually cared about the business like he says he does he wouldn't have sucked up all the attention that might have gone to smaller shows and upcoming wrestlers during the most important week of their year. If hhh cared he wouldn't have let him. Then aew act even worse by releasing people. Meanwhile the thread about the complete schedule for the week in Wrest is two posts long. And the viewership for Impact since 2024 started have been depressing. AXS being dumped by Verizon FIOS (and possibly other cable providers?) has killed their numbers (last week's show got like 74,000 viewers total). And it's reflected here since maybe 3 people post in the Impact threads anymore.
The rebranding to TNA was supposed to re-invigorate the company, but Anthem's boneheaded business decisions since have done a lot more harm than good.
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Post by KingPooper on Apr 4, 2024 13:28:59 GMT -5
Nick Comoroto looks amazing with out the beard.
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Post by Perd on Apr 4, 2024 19:44:03 GMT -5
I don’t know if we have any fans of the podcast Doughboys. It’s a podcast where they review chain restaurants. Anyway, the host are big AEW supporters and have had multiple AEW stars on the show. Today they had Taya Valkyrie and Johnny TV on the show. And it was delightful. JoMo was his usual goofy self and Taya was hilarious. Taya even made a little show history. Definitely worth a listen.
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Post by ayumidah on Apr 4, 2024 20:28:39 GMT -5
I ordered my Hook shirt on the 23rd of March to wear at my event in a couple of weeks and it finally shipped today. I was starting to stress over it arriving in time, so now I feel better. Yay.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Apr 5, 2024 13:49:05 GMT -5
Has all of the Punk drama made everyone forget how weird his booking was to the point that half the fanbase (myself included) thought that he was telegraphing a heel turn?
Like, he was only feuding with popular AEW originals who all cut promos about how no one trusted him to be sincere about wanting to give back to the next generation. Eddie Kingston literally screamed it in everyone's face, but the narrative is still that the first time it was addressed was Hangman's "worker's rights" promo when everyone just thought that he was continuing the same thread of distrust that was at the core of Punk's entire run up to that point with an extra wink to the Colt rumors.
Is this the cult just making up their own reality, were we being overly analytical, or do wrestling fans really not understanding storytelling that isn't blasted in their face 15 times per show?
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Apr 5, 2024 15:01:33 GMT -5
Has all of the Punk drama made everyone forget how weird his booking was to the point that half the fanbase (myself included) thought that he was telegraphing a heel turn? Like, he was only feuding with popular AEW originals who all cut promos about how no one trusted him to be sincere about wanting to give back to the next generation. Eddie Kingston literally screamed it in everyone's face, but the narrative is still that the first time it was addressed was Hangman's "worker's rights" promo when everyone just thought that he was continuing the same thread of distrust that was at the core of Punk's entire run up to that point with an extra wink to the Colt rumors. Is this the cult just making up their own reality, were we being overly analytical, or do wrestling fans really not understanding storytelling that isn't blasted in their face 15 times per show? It was legitimately weird stuff, especially since it seemed increasingly clear that none of that was meant to be heel stuff; a revelation that dovetailed with us finding out that Punk has some truly wild positions on what are meaningful good and bad things for a person to do (Colt sharing a bank account with his mother being treated like an obvious "look at this loser" line, for example).
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Apr 5, 2024 15:25:09 GMT -5
Has all of the Punk drama made everyone forget how weird his booking was to the point that half the fanbase (myself included) thought that he was telegraphing a heel turn? Like, he was only feuding with popular AEW originals who all cut promos about how no one trusted him to be sincere about wanting to give back to the next generation. Eddie Kingston literally screamed it in everyone's face, but the narrative is still that the first time it was addressed was Hangman's "worker's rights" promo when everyone just thought that he was continuing the same thread of distrust that was at the core of Punk's entire run up to that point with an extra wink to the Colt rumors. Is this the cult just making up their own reality, were we being overly analytical, or do wrestling fans really not understanding storytelling that isn't blasted in their face 15 times per show? they don't think it was weird because it benefitted him and him alone really, to some degree also his buddies like FTR. it didn't make any sense at all in the grand scheme of AEW things but that did not matter to them, it helped their boy even though it made the shows super boring and shitty. he's not without the only blame though because people backstage let him do all that shit and this is the time period that really put AEW in the swimming pool they're in now IMO. it wasn't brawl out, it was the continuation of letting the guy f*** up booking that spread and they've had a tough time recovering from.
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Post by raymondo316 on Apr 5, 2024 16:37:52 GMT -5
The week of Wrestlemania and all they seem to wanna do is take shots at AEW, its quite bizarre really.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 5, 2024 18:14:44 GMT -5
Bold of Pat to act like he knows what's going on in the other promotion when if WWE aren't paying him actively he *clearly* doesn't watch them either
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