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Post by thechase on Dec 26, 2019 10:09:23 GMT -5
I don't consider the ST canon, there was a whole other universe and history before it and you can't erase that.
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Post by Tenshigure on Dec 26, 2019 10:31:01 GMT -5
I'm just glad that we're done and over with when it comes to the Skywalker Saga (at least for the time being). The more time and energy they devoted to that segment of time, the worse my opinion of the OT became. The original trilogy told a wonderful growth storyline of Luke, Leia, and Han as they started as one-dimensional caricatures of themselves but grew over time to accept responsibilities and harness their emotions to overcome an evil that ultimately was taken down by the redemption of another character that fell from grace.
In the prequels, this took those feel-good moments and trivialized the emotional stunted growth of the redeemed character, turning the Jedi from honorable warriors to yet another self-righteous political group that just so happened to have laser swords and special abilities that may or may not have been a result of a chemical imbalance. In the sequels, they trivialized the efforts of the original heroes in overcoming the ultimate evil by having that ultimate evil survive, tear apart the core of the family built between the trio, and ultimately lead to the deaths of the characters in ways that would have been easily avoided if the character traits they possessed in the original trilogy still held true.
Personally, just about everything from the Main Franchise storyline is a chore to sit through and enjoy. Ironically, it's the SWEU that I've come to enjoy far more than the Skywalker Saga. Give me Knights of the Old Republic, The Mandalorian, Rogue One, Fallen Order, and Rogue Squadron over any more of the main story. Let the vast universe that was created continue to thrive and be its own thing (even if the 'Star Wars' name is slapped on it).
The further we get away from the Palpatine, Skywalker, and Solo names in the Star Wars Universe, the better.
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Post by Hurbster on Dec 26, 2019 10:33:38 GMT -5
Original Trilogy and Rogue One are the only likable ones for me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2019 10:34:10 GMT -5
I like them less after seeing The Last Jedi, which did a great job of making me think about how screwed up it is that that it's basically a story about designated heroes propping up an endless cycle of war. Last Jedi looked like it was going to reject the entire stupid "light side/dark side" simplicity and take us somewhere new, but fans hated that so RoS undid everything interesting and is perfectly meh as a result.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 26, 2019 11:10:12 GMT -5
Rogue One was the prequel Star Wars deserved.
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Post by Hurbster on Dec 26, 2019 11:12:25 GMT -5
I like them less after seeing The Last Jedi, which did a great job of making me think about how screwed up it is that that it's basically a story about designated heroes propping up an endless cycle of war. Last Jedi looked like it was going to reject the entire stupid "light side/dark side" simplicity and take us somewhere new, but fans hated that so RoS undid everything interesting and is perfectly meh as a result. Funnily enough Star Wars fans wanted a Star Wars film, not to have their expectations subverted or to be told all the plot threads from Force Awakens were 'not important'.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 26, 2019 11:32:27 GMT -5
I never understood the hate Rogue One got. It’s a fantastic movie worthy of being considered one of the better Star Wars films.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 26, 2019 11:53:59 GMT -5
I never understood the hate Rogue One got. It’s a fantastic movie worthy of being considered one of the better Star Wars films. Too many shitty, unmemorable characters. Needed to cut at least half of them. A lead actress who wasn't made of cardboard would have also helped. As for the OT, the more SW movies that have been produced, the better the OT in its unaltered form looks. The Special Editions were the first sign of serious trouble in this franchise.
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 26, 2019 11:55:13 GMT -5
The end of ROTJ is lessened for me now. It just doesn’t come off as the ultimate victory for me like it used to knowing what’s going to happen later. ROTJ always had loose ends, regardless of what any sequels did. Sure, Vader and Luke's story was complete and they destroyed the second death star, but there's plenty of Empire shit to still deal with after the fact.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Dec 26, 2019 12:11:22 GMT -5
The end of ROTJ is lessened for me now. It just doesn’t come off as the ultimate victory for me like it used to knowing what’s going to happen later. ROTJ always had loose ends, regardless of what any sequels did. Sure, Vader and Luke's story was complete and they destroyed the second death star, but there's plenty of Empire shit to still deal with after the fact. Yeah, and one could imagine that the rebels now with the upper hand would soon take care of that. Instead, we get Luke as a failure who ran away, Han and Leia broken up, and everything in the dumps again with what is basically the new empire. Oh, and all three of them dead. The ending of ROTJ left me with hope that evil had been defeated and the Galaxy was better for it. All we got was more gloom that rendered a lot of their achievements pointless. I definitely like the timeline that the expanded universe books had created before they were deemed non canon more than what the new movies gave us. There were new bad guys and situations, but they didn’t make the characters and their past achievements meaningless.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 26, 2019 12:23:55 GMT -5
ROTJ always had loose ends, regardless of what any sequels did. Sure, Vader and Luke's story was complete and they destroyed the second death star, but there's plenty of Empire shit to still deal with after the fact. Yeah, and one could imagine that the rebels now with the upper hand would soon take care of that. Instead, we get Luke as a failure who ran away, Han and Leia broken up, and everything in the dumps again with what is basically the new empire. Oh, and all three of them dead. The ending of ROTJ left me with hope that evil had been defeated and the Galaxy was better for it. All we got was more gloom that rendered a lot of their achievements pointless. I definitely like the timeline that the expanded universe books had created before they were deemed non canon more than what the new movies gave us. There were new bad guys and situations, but they didn’t make the characters and their past achievements meaningless. Yeah but the old EU did stupid shit like bring the Emperor back oh.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2019 12:24:38 GMT -5
I like them the same in that I've loved them with all my heart this whole time.
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 26, 2019 12:32:10 GMT -5
I've seen the Holiday Special and still like Star Wars. These feeble attempts by a new trilogy are no match for the true Master of Star Wars Shit.
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Post by DSR on Dec 26, 2019 19:11:31 GMT -5
ROTJ always had loose ends, regardless of what any sequels did. Sure, Vader and Luke's story was complete and they destroyed the second death star, but there's plenty of Empire shit to still deal with after the fact. Yeah, and one could imagine that the rebels now with the upper hand would soon take care of that. Instead, we get Luke as a failure who ran away, Han and Leia broken up, and everything in the dumps again with what is basically the new empire. Oh, and all three of them dead. The ending of ROTJ left me with hope that evil had been defeated and the Galaxy was better for it. All we got was more gloom that rendered a lot of their achievements pointless. I definitely like the timeline that the expanded universe books had created before they were deemed non canon more than what the new movies gave us. There were new bad guys and situations, but they didn’t make the characters and their past achievements meaningless. I feel like episodes 7-8-9 should've been made in the late 80s-early 90s and told stories of the heroes of the OT more immediately after the fall of the empire. If anything, The Force Awakens should've been episode 10. An added bonus would be that, if Lucas is too busy making new movies, he doesn't have the time to f*** around making special editions no one asked for.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 26, 2019 19:16:48 GMT -5
I think the existence of all the wacky shit in the old EU desensitized me to a lot of the more out there things in the sequel trilogy, lol. So things that that came off as insane there were already things I was used to. Palpatine coming back in Episode IX didn't invalidate the OT in the new timeline, nor did him coming back like 4 times in Dark Empire in the old one.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 26, 2019 19:23:55 GMT -5
I feel the same about them. I was always gonna, I was a child when I saw em. There's an attachment there that I was never gonna have for 3 I saw in my 20s and three I saw in my late 30s-early 40s.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2019 19:32:01 GMT -5
I will continue to love the orig trig. I will continue to think Star Wars fans are the worst. I will continue to consider KOTOR and X-Wing series the best parts of the non orig trig films.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Dec 26, 2019 21:27:02 GMT -5
The prequels didn't ultimately change my opinion of the OT, and neither do the sequels.
Things like Vader's sacrifice aren't cheapen for me, because while yes, it does result in the death of Palpatine (or so we thought), that isn't the important part. At least it was never the important part to me. The important part to me was the why, not the what. Vader sacrificing himself for his son isn't invalidated, nor are the emotions he felt that compelled him to do so and to do a good thing for the first time in his life in a very long time.
Just like all the mind boggling dim witted crap (cue Patton Oswald's bit from his stand-up about the prequels here) in the prequels didn't cheapen the OT for me either.
Also as someone else said, with all of the stupid bullshit the old Expanded Universe had in it...as much as I shake my head at some choices made in the sequels, they're nothing compared to some of the stuff the Expanded Universe was littered with. Some of which directly contradicted each other and were for all intents and purposes left in a state of "Well, YOU decide which is canon!"
Though I do feel like the sequels, especially ROS, have become something of a monkey's paw for so many of the fans that bemoaned the complete ejection of the old Expanded Universe that longed for it to be brought back into the fold. Oh, you want the old Expanded Universe back? Sure! Fifty million Death Star variants! Guess what?! Palpy's back, baby! So is the Empire instead of just a remnant of it too because why not but they're called the Final Order this time!
With how ROS was going while I watched it I half expected them to reveal one of Luke's other students survived the purge, Chewie's son, or that we were going to find out that Palpatine was working with Jabba the Hutt's dad, who wanted revenge on the Skywalker bloodline.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 27, 2019 0:45:29 GMT -5
The prequels didn't ultimately change my opinion of the OT, and neither do the sequels. Things like Vader's sacrifice aren't cheapen for me, because while yes, it does result in the death of Palpatine (or so we thought), that isn't the important part. At least it was never the important part to me. The important part to me was the why, not the what. Vader sacrificing himself for his son isn't invalidated, nor are the emotions he felt that compelled him to do so and to do a good thing for the first time in his life in a very long time. Just like all the mind boggling dim witted crap (cue Patton Oswald's bit from his stand-up about the prequels here) in the prequels didn't cheapen the OT for me either. Also as someone else said, with all of the stupid bullshit the old Expanded Universe had in it...as much as I shake my head at some choices made in the sequels, they're nothing compared to some of the stuff the Expanded Universe was littered with. Some of which directly contradicted each other and were for all intents and purposes left in a state of "Well, YOU decide which is canon!" Though I do feel like the sequels, especially ROS, have become something of a monkey's paw for so many of the fans that bemoaned the complete ejection of the old Expanded Universe that longed for it to be brought back into the fold. Oh, you want the old Expanded Universe back? Sure! Fifty million Death Star variants! Guess what?! Palpy's back, baby! So is the Empire instead of just a remnant of it too because why not but they're called the Final Order this time! With how ROS was going while I watched it I half expected them to reveal one of Luke's other students survived the purge, Chewie's son, or that we were going to find out that Palpatine was working with Jabba the Hutt's dad, who wanted revenge on the Skywalker bloodline. {Spoiler}I'm very disappointed that Palpatine's son in the new canon was just seemingly a normal human instead of a three-eyed mutant named Triclops!
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 27, 2019 6:21:43 GMT -5
I think 7-9 suffered from being the continuation of the original movies.
If they just made new movies about new characters, have some cameos from the older actors, they'd be fine.
But no, this is EPISODE 7! so it has to be big, carry those expectations, find ways to tie into the older stories even though it's really crowbaring stuff in.
When they do stuff that's the same, we've seen it, when they try to be different, that's not Star Wars.
You can't pretend this is 1 big story, for all their flaws, the prequels did feel the same story as the OT, the saga of Anakin Skywalker, the rise and fall of the Empire, the fall of the Jedi, and the rise of Luke who took their ways and changed them to become a new kind of Force user.
This is just "and decades later, their kids did stuff, oh yeah all the guys from before happened to be there in tenuous ways". Hell, they could have made Ben Solo's identity into the new reveal of the films, build him up as a bad guy, a hot tempered, violent psycho, then at a key moment that could have been a powerful reveal, say Snoke had faked his death as a baby or something and raised him. Rather than have all that straight up "oh Han and Leia's kid is just evil, he was turned, somehow, right under Luke's nose, we're not gonna get into how or why" so that the new bad guy immediately had ties to the old trilogy, but not really because he just popped up inbetween films from nowhere.
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