A Confederate victory.

[Nr1Humanoid]

Theoretically, if the South had won, resulting in two nations, what would the after effects have been?

[James Fabiano]

I fear the future of this thread.

[chrom]

It was impossible for the South to win The American Civil War. Don't let the media saying how Confederate Soldiers could catch cannonballs with their mustaches and throw them back at the Yankees without a hair out of place fool you.

The North had far more resources, equipment and means to fight than The South could every hope to. Like Rhett famously said they only thing they had was "Cotton, Slaves and Arrogance"

The only reason it really lasted as long as it did was because of inept commanders such as McClellan and Hooker on The Union side who believed one big battle would decide it. If they had followed The Anaconda Plan that Winifred Scott had proposed, it would have lasted a year at most.

[Zone Was Wrong]

Feb 8, 2020 18:04:32 GMT -5 chrom said:

It was impossible for the South to win The American Civil War. Don't let the media saying how Confederate Soldiers could catch cannonballs with their mustaches and throw them back at the Yankees without a hair out of place fool you.

The North had far more resources, equipment and means to fight than The South could every hope to. Like Rhett famously said they only thing they had was "Cotton, Slaves and Arrogance"

The only reason it really lasted as long as it did was because of inept commanders such as McClellan and Hooker on The Union side who believed one big battle would decide it. If they had followed The Anaconda Plan that Winifred Scott had proposed, it would have lasted a year at most.

This. Not a Civil War buff but from what I've read the South didn't have the resources or the man power for a prolonged war.

[Fade]

Feb 8, 2020 17:53:33 GMT -5 Nr1Humanoid said:

Theoretically, if the South had won, resulting in two nations, what would the after effects have been?

[BlackoutCreature]

Feb 8, 2020 18:04:32 GMT -5 chrom said:

It was impossible for the South to win The American Civil War. Don't let the media saying how Confederate Soldiers could catch cannonballs with their mustaches and throw them back at the Yankees without a hair out of place fool you.

The North had far more resources, equipment and means to fight than The South could every hope to. Like Rhett famously said they only thing they had was "Cotton, Slaves and Arrogance"

The only reason it really lasted as long as it did was because of inept commanders such as McClellan and Hooker on The Union side who believed one big battle would decide it. If they had followed The Anaconda Plan that Winifred Scott had proposed, it would have lasted a year at most.

I guess "win" would be a subjective term in this situation. From what I understand the goal of the Confederate Army was never to score a decisive victory over the Union, but just to drag the whole thing out long enough that the North would just decide it wasn't worth continuing the fight and force some kind of compromise. This seemed to be a pretty plausible outcome if Lincoln had lost re-election in 1864, but a series of high profile battle victories in 1864 revived Northern civilian morale, got Lincoln re-elected, and basically sunk any chance of that compromise. While a full-fledged military victory by the Confederacy was tremendously improbable, an independent South was not.

[Nr1Humanoid]

Feb 8, 2020 18:00:41 GMT -5 James Fabiano said:

I fear the future of this thread.

We are sensible people around here. I would not have started this thread anywhere else.

[BlackoutCreature]

Feb 8, 2020 18:28:08 GMT -5 Nr1Humanoid said:

Feb 8, 2020 18:00:41 GMT -5 James Fabiano said:

I fear the future of this thread.

We are sensible people around here. I would not have started this thread anywhere else.

Sensible? Sensible people would have long since resolved the question of whether or not a Hot Dog should be considered a sandwich.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

Feb 8, 2020 18:30:29 GMT -5 BlackoutCreature said:

Feb 8, 2020 18:28:08 GMT -5 Nr1Humanoid said:

We are sensible people around here. I would not have started this thread anywhere else.

Sensible? Sensible people would have long since resolved the question of whether or not a Hot Dog should be considered a sandwich.

Is cereal soup?

["Cane Dewey" Johnson]

Feb 8, 2020 18:31:12 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

Feb 8, 2020 18:30:29 GMT -5 BlackoutCreature said:

Sensible? Sensible people would have long since resolved the question of whether or not a Hot Dog should be considered a sandwich.

Is cereal soup?

Of course!

[Nr1Humanoid]

Feb 8, 2020 18:30:29 GMT -5 BlackoutCreature said:

Feb 8, 2020 18:28:08 GMT -5 Nr1Humanoid said:

We are sensible people around here. I would not have started this thread anywhere else.

Sensible? Sensible people would have long since resolved the question of whether or not a Hot Dog should be considered a sandwich.

If Southeners believed hot dogs was a sandwich, no wonder they lost.

[Hit Girl]

To win, the Confederacy would have had to fight an entirely defensive war, preserving their territory while making no incursions into the United States. Any positions seized by US forces would have to be attacked in a paramilitary campaign, making use of flying columns and hit and run tactics to make defending the positions too costly and aimed at forcing a US withdrawal. They would have had to break the US blockade and get international recognition. In a post victory Confederacy, I doubt it would have expanded beyond its borders. slavery would have continued until mechanised agriculture eliminated the need for field slaves. Blacks would have still faced low status in the Confederacy even after slavery. Think segregation and apartheid but even worse. Their participation in CSA society would have been limited to unskilled labour and domestic duties etc...and I'm guessing an extensive Underground Railroad system would have been in permanent place to get them out of the Confederacy. The CSA would have eventually found itself isolated internationally through boycotts and divestment if it managed to last to the mid to late 20th century

[BlackoutCreature]

Feb 8, 2020 18:51:40 GMT -5 Hit Girl said:

To win, the Confederacy would have had to fight an entirely defensive war, preserving their territory while making no incursions into the United States. Any positions seized by US forces would have to be attacked in a paramilitary campaign, making use of flying columns and hit and run tactics to make defending the positions too costly and aimed at forcing a US withdrawal. They would have had to break the US blockade and get international recognition. In a post victory Confederacy, I doubt it would have expanded beyond its borders. slavery would have continued until mechanised agriculture eliminated the need for field slaves. Blacks would have still faced low status in the Confederacy even after slavery. Think segregation and apartheid but even worse. Their participation in CSA society would have been limited to unskilled labour and domestic duties etc...and I'm guessing an extensive Underground Railroad system would have been in permanent place to get them out of the Confederacy. The CSA would have eventually found itself isolated internationally through boycotts and divestment if it managed to last to the mid to late 20th century

I don't know, mentioning mid-20th century, and assuming history otherwise plays out pretty similar to what it actually did, I'd imagine a nation like this being so strategically near the United States would be of great interest to Nazi Germany.

[Clash, Never a Meter Maid]

Hmm. I think we have to close up this one, guys. Historically, it's too potentially volatile a topic.