J. Hova
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Post by J. Hova on Feb 9, 2020 18:20:43 GMT -5
I'll tread lightly... I don't think we'd have flying cars or teleportation by now, but I think if religion as a whole and the Catholic church in particular didn't stifle anything that didn't fit their dogma, we could be 25 - 100 years ahead of where we are now. The Catholic Church actually helped preserve knowledge and encouraged education when few other institutions were able to throughout a period in Western European history. Even then, science throughout the world was hardly stymied by them when the Byzantine Empire, states in the Middle East and China, among others, still developed scientific theories and discoveries. Copernicus and Galilei would probably take issue with the argument that they encouraged scientific theories. Clergymen were the few who were actually literate and educated. |
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dav
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Post by dav on Feb 9, 2020 21:11:56 GMT -5
The Catholic Church actually helped preserve knowledge and encouraged education when few other institutions were able to throughout a period in Western European history. Even then, science throughout the world was hardly stymied by them when the Byzantine Empire, states in the Middle East and China, among others, still developed scientific theories and discoveries. Copernicus and Galilei would probably take issue with the argument that they encouraged scientific theories. Clergymen were the few who were actually literate and educated. The Catholic Church actually helped preserve knowledge and encouraged education when few other institutions were able to throughout a period in Western European history. Even then, science throughout the world was hardly stymied by them when the Byzantine Empire, states in the Middle East and China, among others, still developed scientific theories and discoveries. They certainly did Galileo dirty. Which was generally one issue over centuries of maintaining knowledge in Western Europe. In others, the Catholic Church helped foster growth and sponsored scientists and discoveries throughout the centuries. It wasn't a block that dragged down progress every step of the way. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 9, 2020 21:19:54 GMT -5
Copernicus and Galilei would probably take issue with the argument that they encouraged scientific theories. Clergymen were the few who were actually literate and educated. They certainly did Galileo dirty. Which was generally one issue over centuries of maintaining knowledge in Western Europe. In others, the Catholic Church helped foster growth and sponsored scientists and discoveries throughout the centuries. It wasn't a block that dragged down progress every step of the way. Galileio also published a paper openly mocking a fellow scientist (who was also a cardinal I believe) because he had a different theory on how comets worked. which certainly didn't endear him. |
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Dub H
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Post by Dub H on Feb 9, 2020 22:39:18 GMT -5
Question unclear. How have scientists not been able to prosper? Are there examples OP can post to clarify? There is still funding being cut today to save money for politicians/armies in many countries.Can't go into modern example because it would break forum rules. Also Thomas Edson f***ing over other scientists,incluing Tesla. |
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dav
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Post by dav on Feb 10, 2020 9:50:23 GMT -5
Which was generally one issue over centuries of maintaining knowledge in Western Europe. In others, the Catholic Church helped foster growth and sponsored scientists and discoveries throughout the centuries. It wasn't a block that dragged down progress every step of the way. Galileio also published a paper openly mocking a fellow scientist (who was also a cardinal I believe) because he had a different theory on how comets worked. which certainly didn't endear him. If I recall correctly, he wrote an semi-fictional account where the character who was stating opinions opposing his theories was depicted as a complete buffoon and was possibly modelled after the Pope. |
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