Emma could've been so much more.

[autisticgeordie]

Looking back, it's easy to forget how damn important Emma was to the WWE women's division's rise to prominence, she was a part of that insanely short tag team match that started the 'Give Divas A Chance' hashtag; she and Paige were doing amazing work at Takeover's and really helped the ground work for women's matches often being one of the, or in some cases the match of the night. 

It was even interesting how they worked her first failed main roster run into her heel turn, which lead to 'Evil Emma', which I think had so much potential as this bitter, self obsessed and attention seeking bully; her feud with Becky could've lead to some great PPV matches, but they just stopped doing in; although I think that was because Emma was injured. 

The disappointing thing is that the failures surrounding Emma were never the fault of Emma herself, it was either bad booking, bad gimmicks (Emmalina for example) or just that she kept getting injured; it wasn't the fault of the performer herself and, honestly, part of me wants to see her return to NXT, give me Emma vs. Rhea or Bianca!

[ThankGodForSidJustice]

I think Emma has to be the biggest underachiever ever as far as women's wrestlers goes and it's really not even close. Great look (especially after becoming Evil Emma), good in the ring, not great on the mic but decent enough especially when compared to a lot of the more pushed women in recent years (Sasha, Bayley, Charlotte). However despite all that she has going for her she pretty much nothing to show for it, not even holding a single title in a major promotion despite being in business for about a decade now. It's sad as skillset wise she's someone who you would think could be a focal point in any division.

Unfortunately she's someone who it seems like isn't cut for the business from a durability standpoint as it seemed like she was constantly getting injured. Any time they would give her a program first with Becky in 2016 and then Dana the following year she would promptly get injured before it could get going. In that sense I could see why they gave up in the sense that she wasn't reliable due to how injury prone she was. Even after getting cut from WWE it continued to be a problem as I think she ended up getting hurt again like two months into working indies. I remember after she was released some things came out about her being kind of difficult to deal with behind the scenes which if true is another reason I'm sure why then never got behind her much. I saw a recent interview with her where she was asked why she was released and she basically alluded to it being due to pissing Vince off over something although the person who called to inform of her release I guess didn't say what it was. I guess maybe it was because of the Emmalina thing although that doesn't explain her inexplicably getting so much offense in her last matches against Asuka who was debuting.

[autisticgeordie]

Mar 3, 2020 11:31:44 GMT -5 ThankGodForSidJustice said:

I think Emma has to be the biggest underachiever ever as far as women's wrestlers goes and it's really not even close. Great look (especially after becoming Evil Emma), good in the ring, not great on the mic but decent enough especially when compared to a lot of the more pushed women in recent years (Sasha, Bayley, Charlotte). However despite all that she has going for her she pretty much nothing to show for it, not even holding a single title in a major promotion despite being in business for about a decade now. Skillset wise she's someone who you would think could be a focal point in any division.

Unfortunately she's someone who it seems like isn't cut for the business from a durability standpoint as it seemed like she was constantly getting injured. Any time they would give her a program first with Becky in 2016 and then Dana the following year she would promptly get injured before it could get going. In that sense I could see why they gave up in the sense that she wasn't reliable due to how injury prone she was. Even after getting cut from WWE it continued to be a problem as I think she ended up getting hurt again like two months into working indies. I remember after she was released some things came out about her being kind of difficult to deal with behind the scenes which if true is another reason I'm sure why then never got behind her much. I saw a recent interview with her where she was asked why she was released and she basically alluded to it being due to pissing Vince off over something although the person who called to inform of her release I guess didn't say what it was. I guess maybe it was because of the Emmalina thing although that doesn't explain her inexplicably getting so much offense in her last matches against Asuka who was debuting.

Why did people have such an issue with this, it's not like Emma was some nobody, she was someone who had an amazing match with Takeover against Paige; why was anyone surprised that she got to get her shit in?

[ThankGodForSidJustice]

Mar 3, 2020 11:35:58 GMT -5 autisticgeordie said:

Mar 3, 2020 11:31:44 GMT -5 ThankGodForSidJustice said:

I think Emma has to be the biggest underachiever ever as far as women's wrestlers goes and it's really not even close. Great look (especially after becoming Evil Emma), good in the ring, not great on the mic but decent enough especially when compared to a lot of the more pushed women in recent years (Sasha, Bayley, Charlotte). However despite all that she has going for her she pretty much nothing to show for it, not even holding a single title in a major promotion despite being in business for about a decade now. Skillset wise she's someone who you would think could be a focal point in any division.

Unfortunately she's someone who it seems like isn't cut for the business from a durability standpoint as it seemed like she was constantly getting injured. Any time they would give her a program first with Becky in 2016 and then Dana the following year she would promptly get injured before it could get going. In that sense I could see why they gave up in the sense that she wasn't reliable due to how injury prone she was. Even after getting cut from WWE it continued to be a problem as I think she ended up getting hurt again like two months into working indies. I remember after she was released some things came out about her being kind of difficult to deal with behind the scenes which if true is another reason I'm sure why then never got behind her much. I saw a recent interview with her where she was asked why she was released and she basically alluded to it being due to pissing Vince off over something although the person who called to inform of her release I guess didn't say what it was. I guess maybe it was because of the Emmalina thing although that doesn't explain her inexplicably getting so much offense in her last matches against Asuka who was debuting.

Why did people have such an issue with this, it's not like Emma was some nobody, she was someone who had an amazing match with Takeover against Paige; why was anyone surprised that she got to get her shit in?

As a fan of hers and someone who really enjoyed her match with Asuka I was glad she got a lot in and was allowed to have a good match. However from a logic standpoint it made no sense what so ever. Emma was being booked like a joke comedy character around that time and more important then that was about to get released and Asuka was making her debut and was being booked as this unstoppable bad ass face. It made no sense to have someone who wasn't going to be around anymore get so much in on someone who was being hyped as this killer you were supposed to be afraid. Considering the circumstances it should have been nothing but a squash with Asuka going over in short order.

[4real]

She had the best match at NXT London imo with Asuka. Not Balor, not Joe, not Bayley, not The Revival, Emma had the best match on the show.

I am a bit biased I had a massive crush on her but she should have been bigger than she was. The iPod deal probably didn’t help either. I don’t know if her Australian accent was a problem. I just don’t know it must have been something.

[autisticgeordie]

Mar 3, 2020 11:44:17 GMT -5 ThankGodForSidJustice said:

Mar 3, 2020 11:35:58 GMT -5 autisticgeordie said:

Why did people have such an issue with this, it's not like Emma was some nobody, she was someone who had an amazing match with Takeover against Paige; why was anyone surprised that she got to get her shit in?

As a fan of hers and someone who really enjoyed her match with Asuka I was glad she got a lot in and was allowed to have a good match. However from a logic standpoint it made no sense what so ever. Emma was being booked like a joke comedy character around that time and more important then that was about to get released and Asuka was making her debut and was being booked as this unstoppable bad ass face. It made no sense to have someone who wasn't going to be around anymore get so much in on someone who was being hyped as this killer you were supposed to be afraid. Considering the circumstances it should have been nothing but a squash with Asuka going over in short order.

That's fair enough, I mean, I would've like to see Asuka and Emma have a feud on the main roster, like, Emma doing well against Asuka would've been perfect to establish Emma as someone who could get it done in the ring if her head wasn't jammed so far up her own ass, but you're right in that it made no sense to give that type of offense to someone who wasn't going to be around for much longer in the company; but if Emma had stayed around, I think that type of match structure could've made more sense.

[TWERKIN' MAGGLE]

Mar 3, 2020 11:35:58 GMT -5 autisticgeordie said:

Mar 3, 2020 11:31:44 GMT -5 ThankGodForSidJustice said:

I think Emma has to be the biggest underachiever ever as far as women's wrestlers goes and it's really not even close. Great look (especially after becoming Evil Emma), good in the ring, not great on the mic but decent enough especially when compared to a lot of the more pushed women in recent years (Sasha, Bayley, Charlotte). However despite all that she has going for her she pretty much nothing to show for it, not even holding a single title in a major promotion despite being in business for about a decade now. Skillset wise she's someone who you would think could be a focal point in any division.

Unfortunately she's someone who it seems like isn't cut for the business from a durability standpoint as it seemed like she was constantly getting injured. Any time they would give her a program first with Becky in 2016 and then Dana the following year she would promptly get injured before it could get going. In that sense I could see why they gave up in the sense that she wasn't reliable due to how injury prone she was. Even after getting cut from WWE it continued to be a problem as I think she ended up getting hurt again like two months into working indies. I remember after she was released some things came out about her being kind of difficult to deal with behind the scenes which if true is another reason I'm sure why then never got behind her much. I saw a recent interview with her where she was asked why she was released and she basically alluded to it being due to pissing Vince off over something although the person who called to inform of her release I guess didn't say what it was. I guess maybe it was because of the Emmalina thing although that doesn't explain her inexplicably getting so much offense in her last matches against Asuka who was debuting.

Why did people have such an issue with this, it's not like Emma was some nobody, she was someone who had an amazing match with Takeover against Paige; why was anyone surprised that she got to get her shit in?

That was 3 years earlier and she did nothing between that.

[autisticgeordie]

Mar 3, 2020 11:47:41 GMT -5 TWERKIN' MAGGLE said:

Mar 3, 2020 11:35:58 GMT -5 autisticgeordie said:

Why did people have such an issue with this, it's not like Emma was some nobody, she was someone who had an amazing match with Takeover against Paige; why was anyone surprised that she got to get her shit in?

That was 3 years earlier and she did nothing between that.

Wrestling fans can remember matches that happened decades ago, mate, what's your point?

[TWERKIN' MAGGLE]

Mar 3, 2020 11:50:57 GMT -5 autisticgeordie said:

Mar 3, 2020 11:47:41 GMT -5 TWERKIN' MAGGLE said:

That was 3 years earlier and she did nothing between that.

Wrestling fans can remember matches that happened decades ago, mate, what's your point?

Because she did nothing after that match and you're saying she should get a ton of offense on the new star because she had a good match 3 years earlier. That makes no sense.

You can say you like Emma without defending an indefensible booking call.

[sarkerpolseng]

Her theme is so good.

[autisticgeordie]

Mar 3, 2020 11:52:38 GMT -5 TWERKIN' MAGGLE said:

Mar 3, 2020 11:50:57 GMT -5 autisticgeordie said:

Wrestling fans can remember matches that happened decades ago, mate, what's your point?

Because she did nothing after that match and you're saying she should get a ton of offense on the new star because she had a good match 3 years earlier. That makes no sense.

You can say you like Emma without defending an indefensible booking call.

I didn't say that she should've gotten more offense than Asuka, but people were acting like they wanted the bell to ring, Asuka gets her shit in and she slaps on the Asuka Lock for a win in seconds. I think you could have made Asuka look like the monster that she was in NXT without Emma being made to look Dana Brooke levels of low on the totem pole.

[thirteen3]

You now remember her doing her dance to Santino's theme.

[TWERKIN' MAGGLE]

Mar 3, 2020 12:01:56 GMT -5 autisticgeordie said:

Mar 3, 2020 11:52:38 GMT -5 TWERKIN' MAGGLE said:

Because she did nothing after that match and you're saying she should get a ton of offense on the new star because she had a good match 3 years earlier. That makes no sense.

You can say you like Emma without defending an indefensible booking call.

I didn't say that she should've gotten more offense than Asuka, but people were acting like they wanted the bell to ring, Asuka gets her shit in and she slaps on the Asuka Lock for a win in seconds. I think you could have made Asuka look like the monster that she was in NXT without Emma being made to look Dana Brooke levels of low on the totem pole.

At the time, they were setting Asuka up to face Ronda, even before Ronda's Rumble debut, which is why she was using an arm bar among her finishers. So yeah, she should've been crushing everyone.

[nisidhe]

They played around with her gimmick so much that she lost the ability to connect with fans. This was shortly before the Four Horsewomen came up; before the transition into the Women's Revolution hit high-gear.

She is merely another of the bodies that have been piled up on the altar of Vince's capricious booking. Not the first, not the last by a long shot.

Drew McIntyre was another one of those. It boils down to what one chooses to do outside WWE after the release. Grow your value and your branding away from WWE and they'll be beating down your door.

[dbrussel]

Not much more. She's doing nothing relevant out of WWE.

[The Gallus Mark]

Even though they had no plan for it or whatever with Emmalina, that was the only time I moderately careful about her.

Evil Emma was fine, light years better than goofy dancing Emma, especially since that was never really explained on the main roster

She was decent in the ring, I just haven’t missed a thing about her besides her last theme.

[Deleted]

Danced around, sex'd herself up. Never drew a dime.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

I don't think she's as good as people made her out to be

[thetower52]

f***ing debuting as santinos weird friend killed her f***ing dead.

Then her injuries ruined the momentum she got back as evil emma

[Deleted]

I've never had the slightest clue what her appeal is to tell the truth. Pretty much no incarnation of her as a performer has ever particularly entertained me.