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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 12, 2020 21:09:58 GMT -5
Hypothetically, if they were alive and in their prime at the same time Giant Gonzalez? Great Kahli? Big Daddy V? Yokozuna? Andre? Giant Gonzalez- too tall and lanky to pull it off. he could lift him but executing the move would be difficult. Great Kahli- maybe but his mobility would be an issue for it to work. Big Daddy V- no way Yokozuna- same as previous Andre- yes, but it would have to be younger Andre. The Andre Hogan slammed at Wrestlemania 3 would be hard to spin around with on his shoulders. Here's Cena AAing Big Daddy Viscera: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yuHTz6RPNYCena AAing Khali: If Cena could do that, Brock wouldn't have an issue F5ing either.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Apr 12, 2020 21:13:15 GMT -5
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Post by meesakeemhorcha on Apr 12, 2020 21:26:21 GMT -5
Okay everyone. I haven't been on here a while and was unaware that some comments aren't serious.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 12, 2020 21:46:54 GMT -5
Okay everyone. I haven't been on here a while and was unaware that some comments aren't serious. No worries, it happens. In-jokes abound here.
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Post by koreycaskets on Apr 12, 2020 21:47:35 GMT -5
How bout Haystacks Calhoun?
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Post by meesakeemhorcha on Apr 12, 2020 21:47:46 GMT -5
Okay everyone. I haven't been on here a while and was unaware that some comments aren't serious. No worries, it happens. In-jokes abound here. I have to say the way wrestling has been the last few years you can't take anything seriously anymore.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Apr 12, 2020 23:46:57 GMT -5
Giant Gonzalez- too tall and lanky to pull it off. he could lift him but executing the move would be difficult. Great Kahli- maybe but his mobility would be an issue for it to work. Big Daddy V- no way Yokozuna- same as previous Andre- yes, but it would have to be younger Andre. The Andre Hogan slammed at Wrestlemania 3 would be hard to spin around with on his shoulders. Here's Cena AAing Big Daddy Viscera: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yuHTz6RPNYCena AAing Khali: If Cena could do that, Brock wouldn't have an issue F5ing either. The one and only issue I see is lifting the lower body over his head to do the twist. He’s done Show, so everyone up to Vis and Yoko I think he could do. I think he could get Vis on his shoulders, but I don’t know about the lift/twist. Yoko, once he really started to pack on the pounds, I’m not sure he could get him up on his shoulders. And no way was hie lifting that ass over his head for the spin. Year 1 Yoko, maybe.
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Post by Instant Classic on Apr 12, 2020 23:49:43 GMT -5
The real question is can John Cena life the Big Show?
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Post by Thunderbolt on Apr 13, 2020 1:55:43 GMT -5
Giant Gonzalez- too tall and lanky to pull it off. he could lift him but executing the move would be difficult. Great Kahli- maybe but his mobility would be an issue for it to work. Big Daddy V- no way Yokozuna- same as previous Andre- yes, but it would have to be younger Andre. The Andre Hogan slammed at Wrestlemania 3 would be hard to spin around with on his shoulders. Here's Cena AAing Big Daddy Viscera: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yuHTz6RPNYCena AAing Khali: If Cena could do that, Brock wouldn't have an issue F5ing either. It's wayyyyyyyyyyy harder to F5 someone than to AA them.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 13, 2020 2:29:23 GMT -5
It's wayyyyyyyyyyy harder to F5 someone than to AA them. It really isn't. Example: Here, you can see Lesnar lifting Cena up, not even all the way, and at the same time ducking, moving and getting out of the way. That doesn't compare at all to pushing the bottom half of someone up and over you, with them having no real way to aid it
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Post by Thunderbolt on Apr 13, 2020 3:50:35 GMT -5
It's wayyyyyyyyyyy harder to F5 someone than to AA them. It really isn't. Example: Here, you can see Lesnar lifting Cena up, not even all the way, and at the same time ducking, moving and getting out of the way. That doesn't compare at all to pushing the bottom half of someone up and over you, with them having no real way to aid it The person taking the AA does a lot of the work pushing/rolling themselves off. Lesnar makes the F5 look easy because he's ten times the athlete John Cena is. Lesnar could easily AA anyone Cena ever did the move to. Cena is too clumsy and slow to F5 any of the big guys Lesnar has done the move to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 3:59:44 GMT -5
He would not only F5 'em, he would take 'em all into the suplex city bitch!
e: Also, those match-ups sounds so freakishly great. I wish Brock had more guys to his size fight against. Other than local men.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 13, 2020 4:02:05 GMT -5
It really isn't. Example: Here, you can see Lesnar lifting Cena up, not even all the way, and at the same time ducking, moving and getting out of the way. That doesn't compare at all to pushing the bottom half of someone up and over you, with them having no real way to aid it The person taking the AA does a lot of the work pushing/rolling themselves off. Lesnar makes the F5 look easy because he's ten times the athlete John Cena is. Lesnar could easily AA anyone Cena ever did the move to. Cena is too clumsy and slow to F5 any of the big guys Lesnar has done the move to. They don't though. They don't have the leverage or positioning to lift their own legs up and over for the AA. You're relying almost entirely on the person performing an AA to push your bottom half up enough for you to go into a flip. I've been a test subject for this argument.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 4:19:51 GMT -5
Because of all tis wrestle_magic_trick_techs_exposed talk, I now just see Brock Lesnar falling down on his back every time he F5's bigger person and think how much other personas have to use their lower back powers to make AA worthwhile!
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 13, 2020 4:29:43 GMT -5
Because of all tis wrestle_magic_trick_techs_exposed talk, I now just see Brock Lesnar falling down on his back every time he F5's bigger person and think how much other personas have to use their lower back powers to make AA worthwhile! There's a lot of illusion mixed into wrestling moves, always has been. Unless they're a much smaller guy, a lot of Brock's (and other's versions) F5s rely on that illusion. He's not really lifting them high up, spinning them around and such as it seems. A lot relies on him slightly squatting and letting the momentum of him coming back up "float" the other person just enough for him to duck under and let them spin as much as his and their strength allows.
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Post by Kalmia on Apr 13, 2020 5:42:38 GMT -5
I think he could F5 them. They might not be the best F5s ever, but I reckon he could do it.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 13, 2020 10:03:51 GMT -5
I think he could F5 them. They might not be the best F5s ever, but I reckon he could do it. I think he can get them all up, but I don’t know if they’d have the mobility to swing themselves around for the F5. You need someone who can cooperate for an F5, whereas the FU is basically entirely on the guy giving it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 10:13:15 GMT -5
LESNAR vs. KHALI in PUNJABI PRISON FIGHT is still possible to do. Make it happen, Vince!
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 13, 2020 11:17:47 GMT -5
It's wayyyyyyyyyyy harder to F5 someone than to AA them. It really isn't. Example: Here, you can see Lesnar lifting Cena up, not even all the way, and at the same time ducking, moving and getting out of the way. That doesn't compare at all to pushing the bottom half of someone up and over you, with them having no real way to aid it Yea, let's go back to Big Show for example When talking about who is the strongest he names those two along with Henry and somewhat surprisingly, Bull Buchannon He basically says Cena has a great base and can pick him up without a problem. Obviously, he's not going to get him over his head without Big Show helping them tho. With Lesnar, he basically says Brock can just deadlift fling him. All brock has to do is get someone on his shoulders and just duck under them as you said. Still takes strength but the AA takes cooperation with heavier people
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 13, 2020 11:44:06 GMT -5
It really isn't. Example: Here, you can see Lesnar lifting Cena up, not even all the way, and at the same time ducking, moving and getting out of the way. That doesn't compare at all to pushing the bottom half of someone up and over you, with them having no real way to aid it Yea, let's go back to Big Show for example When talking about who is the strongest he names those two along with Henry and somewhat surprisingly, Bull Buchannon He basically says Cena has a great base and can pick him up without a problem. Obviously, he's not going to get him over his head without Big Show helping them tho. With Lesnar, he basically says Brock can just deadlift fling him. All brock has to do is get someone on his shoulders and just duck under them as you said. Still takes strength but the AA takes cooperation with heavier people It's not just the ducking, there is strength involved (gotta have good knees to start dropping and immediately come back up with that kind of weight), and there's still strength needed to push the legs out and away). It's definitely not a matter of "anyone can do it" though. Things to consider on this front as well are that Brock is stronger than most guys his size, and Cena is super-freak strong, so both of them *can* pull off things that "normal puny humans" can't. For whatever it's worth, when I had a trained vet try both on me while visiting their gym, they could F5 me easily but couldn't AA me without just dropping me straight down on my head and almost breaking my neck.
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