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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 13, 2020 11:55:28 GMT -5
Yea, let's go back to Big Show for example When talking about who is the strongest he names those two along with Henry and somewhat surprisingly, Bull Buchannon He basically says Cena has a great base and can pick him up without a problem. Obviously, he's not going to get him over his head without Big Show helping them tho. With Lesnar, he basically says Brock can just deadlift fling him. All brock has to do is get someone on his shoulders and just duck under them as you said. Still takes strength but the AA takes cooperation with heavier people It's not just the ducking, there is strength involved (gotta have good knees to start dropping and immediately come back up with that kind of weight), and there's still strength needed to push the legs out and away). It's definitely not a matter of "anyone can do it" though. Things to consider on this front as well are that Brock is stronger than most guys his size, and Cena is super-freak strong, so both of them *can* pull off things that "normal puny humans" can't. For whatever it's worth, when I had a trained vet try both on me while visiting their gym, they could F5 me easily but couldn't AA me without just dropping me straight down on my head and almost breaking my neck. Yea, with the F-5 you can almost be a bit reckless and put the person up and have them flying without cooperation With the AA, there is def a process. In noticing Cena, he waits for his opponents to post up on his shoulders before going for the move otherwise you risk doing a Death Valley Driver variation
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Post by bmfjules on Apr 13, 2020 12:05:05 GMT -5
Hypothetically, if they were alive and in their prime at the same time Giant Gonzalez? Great Kahli? Big Daddy V? Yokozuna? Andre? Giant Gonzalez - Brock could absolutely lift him by brute force and perform the move but it would look like dogshit. Great Khali - See above. Big Daddy V - If Big Daddy V were willing to help out and didn't sandbag him, I could see this being possible --but again the move would look like shit probably even best case scenaro, but if Big Vis doesn't wanna go up, he ain't going up and Brock can't lift him. Yokozuna - 1992/93 Yoko could easily go up for the move and was a good enough worker to take it well. This would have been an absolute Wrestlemania moment if you could time machine it all together to make it happen. Later Yoko - see comments on Viscera. Andre - The Andre from 1972 all the way until probably 83/84 could easily take this move - with him assisting of course. Another case of, if Andre wanted to it could absolutely happen and look awesome, but if Andre didn't want to, no way on earth it happens. Post 1985 Andre could still potentially pull it off but it would look like shit and be very dangerous for him physically to take it.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Apr 13, 2020 12:12:32 GMT -5
The only one I would have doubt for is end-career Yokozuna, as he was huge.
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Post by bmfjules on Apr 13, 2020 12:14:50 GMT -5
The only one I would have doubt for is end-career Yokozuna, as he was huge. Yeah, and even then, if Yoko is assisting I'm betting he can get him up and then at that point all he has to do is fall and drop Yoko to the side and boom, F-5.
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Post by Thunderbolt on Apr 13, 2020 16:30:17 GMT -5
The person taking the AA does a lot of the work pushing/rolling themselves off. Lesnar makes the F5 look easy because he's ten times the athlete John Cena is. Lesnar could easily AA anyone Cena ever did the move to. Cena is too clumsy and slow to F5 any of the big guys Lesnar has done the move to. They don't though. They don't have the leverage or positioning to lift their own legs up and over for the AA. You're relying almost entirely on the person performing an AA to push your bottom half up enough for you to go into a flip. I've been a test subject for this argument. And what about when Lesnar F5s Taker into the ringpost? Or the Big Show through the announce table? He's not just falling under then. And what about when Cesaro flips out of the AA? Is that Cena pushing him? No, it's Cesaro pushing himself.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 13, 2020 16:37:03 GMT -5
They don't though. They don't have the leverage or positioning to lift their own legs up and over for the AA. You're relying almost entirely on the person performing an AA to push your bottom half up enough for you to go into a flip. I've been a test subject for this argument. And what about when Lesnar F5s Taker into the ringpost? Or the Big Show through the announce table? He's not just falling under then. And what about when Cesaro flips out of the AA? Is that Cena pushing him? No, it's Cesaro pushing himself. Already made my argument. Move on.
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Post by Thunderbolt on Apr 13, 2020 16:42:29 GMT -5
And what about when Lesnar F5s Taker into the ringpost? Or the Big Show through the announce table? He's not just falling under then. And what about when Cesaro flips out of the AA? Is that Cena pushing him? No, it's Cesaro pushing himself. Already made my argument. Move on. And I countered it successfully. Do the J-O-B Madison.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 13, 2020 16:46:15 GMT -5
Already made my argument. Move on. And I countered it successfully. Do the J-O-B Madison. Okay, here you go - you're really using freak-strong Cesaro as an example? The man can handstand on his fingertips. Not a typical worker. Now, MOVE. ON.
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Post by Thunderbolt on Apr 13, 2020 16:48:21 GMT -5
And I countered it successfully. Do the J-O-B Madison. Okay, here you go - you're really using freak-strong Cesaro as an example? The man can handstand on his fingers. Not a typical worker. Now, MOVE. ON. LOL You could just let it go yourself without saying "move on". I did counter your argument with my examples. You're just looking to assert yourself now instead of having a discussion on a message board. You can "be the bigger man" here and MOVE ON without telling me to move on.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 13, 2020 16:50:12 GMT -5
Okay, here you go - you're really using freak-strong Cesaro as an example? The man can handstand on his fingers. Not a typical worker. Now, MOVE. ON. LOL You could just let it go yourself without saying "move on". I did counter your argument with my examples. You're just looking to assert yourself now instead of having a discussion on a message board. You can "be the bigger man" here and MOVE ON without telling me to move on. Not in the mood for this. See you in a couple of days.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 13, 2020 16:58:25 GMT -5
Guys, it doesn't matter if it's me or someone who signed up last week - if someone is done with a debate on here and says so, do not keep poking at them. That's considered baiting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 17:11:38 GMT -5
Speaking of the move, what's been the most damaging F5 yall have seen?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 13, 2020 17:14:27 GMT -5
I don’t think he did, I think he just ddtd Akebono.
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Post by Ash Whenzday on Apr 13, 2020 18:46:58 GMT -5
Speaking of the move, what's been the most damaging F5 yall have seen? I remember the one Albert took in the early 2000s being mostly on his head. I believe it took him out of action with a neck injury.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Apr 13, 2020 19:13:04 GMT -5
With Andre, I don't know if he'd be willing to cooperate. Lesnar strikes me as someone who might piss him off, acting like he's bigger than the business and demanding star treatment, almost like Warrior, who he had no tolerance for.
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Post by hassanchop on Apr 14, 2020 13:02:03 GMT -5
He got him up but fell, similar to when Punk tried to GTS Big Vis. He did back suplex him in a tag match.
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Post by wildojinx on Apr 14, 2020 17:31:11 GMT -5
Did Gonzales even get slammed? He almost never took any real bumps save for the Summerslam match against Taker, and even that was just a flying clothesline.
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Post by segaz on Apr 15, 2020 21:03:03 GMT -5
I know for sure he couldn’t F-5 the 7 foot tall, 500lb Big Show. Nor could John Cena get him up for an AA. Nah, he could def do that. He could never manhandle the Undertaker though. No one's ever done that before.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Apr 16, 2020 1:18:06 GMT -5
2K would never lie to me, would they? You watch strange porn.
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Post by PTBartman on Apr 16, 2020 1:32:51 GMT -5
I think he could F5 them. They might not be the best F5s ever, but I reckon he could do it. well where would the quality be on the stunner scale be say between Linda McMahon and Sean Michaels
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