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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 13, 2020 16:24:45 GMT -5
For Splinter there were 2 different origins. In original comic and movies he was Hamato Yoshi's pet rat who got into some mutagen and became a man-rat.
In the 87 cartoon, he WAS Yoshi who became a man-rat after he came into contact with some mutagen and I guess decided to pet a rat (that part doesn't make much sense, where'd the rat come into play then?)
Which do you prefer?
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Apr 13, 2020 16:46:20 GMT -5
In the 87 cartoon, he WAS Yoshi who became a man-rat after he came into contact with some mutagen and I guess decided to pet a rat (that part doesn't make much sense, where'd the rat come into play then?) they explained it in the first episode. in the cartoon the mutagen turned you into whatever animal you were mostly around, and since there are more rats than turtles in the sewers (and he'd been around them a lot longer than the turtles), he became a rat |
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 13, 2020 16:49:30 GMT -5
Yoshi became Splinter after being exposed to the mutation thing that also created the TMNT.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 13, 2020 16:54:01 GMT -5
In the 87 cartoon, he WAS Yoshi who became a man-rat after he came into contact with some mutagen and I guess decided to pet a rat (that part doesn't make much sense, where'd the rat come into play then?) they explained it in the first episide. in the cartoon the mutagen turned you into whatever animal you were mostly around, and since there are more rats than turtles in the sewers (and he'd been around them a lot longer than the turtles), he became a rat That makes a bit more sense, I remembered it as the last animal you'd touched which would presumably be the turtles. Granted it's easily been 25 years since I've seen that episode. |
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Post by Malcolm on Apr 13, 2020 20:05:57 GMT -5
One thing always bugged me about the pet rat origin was that Splinter mimicked his master's moves but how did he learn the wisdom behind them?
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 13, 2020 20:07:16 GMT -5
From what I remember of the 87 pilot, I thought they said the mutagen made you into the animal you most recently had contact with. The Turtles, having been held by Yoshi, became humanoid. Supposedly, Yoshi became Splinter because he had last been with rats. (But he was just handling the Turtles when they were all exposed! So he was last with a turtle!!)
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Post by Malcolm on Apr 13, 2020 20:07:55 GMT -5
In the 87 cartoon, he WAS Yoshi who became a man-rat after he came into contact with some mutagen and I guess decided to pet a rat (that part doesn't make much sense, where'd the rat come into play then?) they explained it in the first episide. in the cartoon the mutagen turned you into whatever animal you were mostly around, and since there are more rats than turtles in the sewers (and he'd been around them a lot longer than the turtles), he became a rat It was explained that he had recently been with the rats and when he saw the turtles in the ooze, and if you watch closely, you can see that he stepped into the mutagen first in his bare feet BEFORE touching the turtles. |
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 13, 2020 20:12:29 GMT -5
From what I remember of the 87 pilot, I thought they said the mutagen made you into the animal you most recently had contact with. The Turtles, having been held by Yoshi, became humanoid. Supposedly, Yoshi became Splinter because he had last been with rats. (But he was just handling the Turtles when they were all exposed! So he was last with a turtle!!) 8:05 begins the relevant part... Yep, "most recently". Edit: now I see the barefoot thing. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 13, 2020 20:15:30 GMT -5
From what I remember of the 87 pilot, I thought they said the mutagen made you into the animal you most recently had contact with. The Turtles, having been held by Yoshi, became humanoid. Supposedly, Yoshi became Splinter because he had last been with rats. (But he was just handling the Turtles when they were all exposed! So he was last with a turtle!!) 8:05 begins the relevant part... Yep, "most recently". Edit: now I see the barefoot thing. you also notice he steps into the mutagen before touching the turtles... so Last contact was likely the rats then >_> |
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Post by Dub H on Apr 13, 2020 20:20:30 GMT -5
From what I remember of the 87 pilot, I thought they said the mutagen made you into the animal you most recently had contact with. The Turtles, having been held by Yoshi, became humanoid. Supposedly, Yoshi became Splinter because he had last been with rats. (But he was just handling the Turtles when they were all exposed! So he was last with a turtle!!) 8:05 begins the relevant part... Yep, "most recently". Edit: now I see the barefoot thing. The 2012 also uses the "most recent" thing. Honestly I think the emotional impact and the relation is much bigger if he is a man that became a man-rat. |
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Post by ERON on Apr 13, 2020 21:58:07 GMT -5
I guess it depends a lot on which origin you were exposed to first. I loved the comics and the original movie, and never watched the original cartoon, so the mutated rat origin is the one I prefer.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 13, 2020 22:07:18 GMT -5
I used to prefer the original comic and film version, however the 2012 animated series and IDW comic completely turned me around on that. They both did incredible emotional storytelling that just wouldn't have been possible with the original origin.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 13, 2020 22:44:59 GMT -5
I guess it depends a lot on which origin you were exposed to first. I loved the comics and the original movie, and never watched the original cartoon, so the mutated rat origin is the one I prefer. Not necerally,my first exposure was to the 2003 one,which uses the mutated rat and I much prefer the Yoshi one. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 0:07:28 GMT -5
One thing always bugged me about the pet rat origin was that Splinter mimicked his master's moves but how did he learn the wisdom behind them? You do realize that TMNT was created as a parody of popular comics at the time. A rat teaching turtles ninjitsu is about as realistic as a blind guy teaching another blind guy how to be a ninja. |
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Post by Malcolm on Apr 14, 2020 0:12:48 GMT -5
One thing always bugged me about the pet rat origin was that Splinter mimicked his master's moves but how did he learn the wisdom behind them? You do realize that TMNT was created as a parody of popular comics at the time. A rat teaching turtles ninjitsu is about as realistic as a blind guy teaching another blind guy how to be a ninja. I know, but I just find it funny bring up "why didn't Splinter become a mutant turtle" but nobody ever brings up this. |
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Post by Duke Cameron on Apr 14, 2020 2:23:57 GMT -5
Pet rat
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 14, 2020 3:50:59 GMT -5
I like the IDW one, which kind of had elements of both:
Rat exposed to the mutagen, but, in a past life, he was Hamato Yoshi. That said, I also don't mind when TMNT stuff has mystical elements, like when Splinter appeared to the turtles in spirit form in their camp fire in the movie.
That's fine with me, on account of how that kind of mysticism isn't exactly uncommon form martial arts media, anyway. Doesn't necessarily mean I want Mona Lisa magic spells levels of mystic stuff going on, but IDW's use of it felt appropriate.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 14, 2020 4:08:41 GMT -5
I like the IDW one, which kind of had elements of both: Rat exposed to the mutagen, but, in a past life, he was Hamato Yoshi. That said, I also don't mind when TMNT stuff has mystical elements, like when Splinter appeared to the turtles in spirit form in their camp fire in the movie. That's fine with me, on account of how that kind of mysticism isn't exactly uncommon form martial arts media, anyway. Doesn't necessarily mean I want Mona Lisa magic spells levels of mystic stuff going on, but IDW's use of it felt appropriate. I don't remember Mona Lisa doing magic... just her being a Lizard Lady. do you mean Venus Di Milo? |
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 14, 2020 4:13:17 GMT -5
I like the IDW one, which kind of had elements of both: Rat exposed to the mutagen, but, in a past life, he was Hamato Yoshi. That said, I also don't mind when TMNT stuff has mystical elements, like when Splinter appeared to the turtles in spirit form in their camp fire in the movie. That's fine with me, on account of how that kind of mysticism isn't exactly uncommon form martial arts media, anyway. Doesn't necessarily mean I want Mona Lisa magic spells levels of mystic stuff going on, but IDW's use of it felt appropriate. I don't remember Mona Lisa doing magic... just her being a Lizard Lady. do you mean Venus Di Milo? Yes, you're right, I meant Venus. Sorry, it's late.  |
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