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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 16, 2020 8:52:06 GMT -5
Oh yeah, there's people who wanted out, but that's important--and what makes anyoen cackling "But they wanted out of their contracts" into a callous slime ball--is that they wanted out to ply their craft elsewhere. WWE refusing to let anyone go because they signed a contract, then deciding to dum ppeople at the least convenient and most harmful time isn't what anybody was asking for and is as cruel a way to 'give people what they wanted' you can conceive of. This was very strategically timed. Agreed, I've been pretty outspoken that what WWE is doing is unethical Oh yeah no I wasn't counting you in the 'they wanted out now they got it' people, your post read pretty blatantly negative.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 16, 2020 8:54:57 GMT -5
I just don’t want to watch wrestling anymore man. This shit just hurt my love of wrestling overall. Look to the companies trying to do the right thing during all this; companies that have nowhere near the resources WWE has, many of which have no overhead right now and no income without live events, yet are bending over backwards not to fire anyone. Plus, the solidarity showed by the major Japanese promotions during all of this is great, with even New Japan asking the Japanese government to just help make sure smaller promotions can still pay their wrestlers, and then Tanahashi even saying wrestling should be the last major entertainment option in Japan to reopen: Yeah most I've seen frm Impact is them saying they will be taping stuff in May in an empty arena, but the basically explained they had to tape some content or they would have massive layoffs but anybody who felt uncomfortable would not be required to travel
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Apr 16, 2020 9:00:34 GMT -5
Oh yeah, there's people who wanted out, but that's important--and what makes anyoen cackling "But they wanted out of their contracts" into a callous slime ball--is that they wanted out to ply their craft elsewhere. WWE refusing to let anyone go because they signed a contract, then deciding to dum ppeople at the least convenient and most harmful time isn't what anybody was asking for and is as cruel a way to 'give people what they wanted' you can conceive of. This was very strategically timed. Agreed, I've been pretty outspoken that what WWE is doing is unethical Of all the scummy things that Vince McMahon has done over the years, this ranks really high among them.
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Post by kevin on Apr 16, 2020 9:01:24 GMT -5
I know he had a dispute with them but Rusev still surprises me he was main eventing shows as recently as January. This was not a good decision from WWE it seems both tone death and cruel without any actual benefit. Remindsme far to much of when every spring it seemed like they would fire a bunch of people.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Apr 16, 2020 9:05:18 GMT -5
I know he had a dispute with them but Rusev still surprises me he was main eventing shows as recently as January. This was not a good decision from WWE it seems both tone death and cruel without any actual benefit. Remindsme far to much of when every spring it seemed like they would fire a bunch of people. Though, in this context, it’s super-worse than the usual “spring cleaning” releases in that WWE’s releasing folks at an inopportune time when a global pandemic’s hitting the job market harder than ever.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Apr 16, 2020 9:06:17 GMT -5
I really don't get how current WWE contracts work. Talent can't quit for any reason and more time will be added in case of injury, but WWE can terminate them at any time?
Maybe it's just because I don't spend a lot of time in the US, but that seems kinda like BS?
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 16, 2020 9:08:24 GMT -5
I know he had a dispute with them but Rusev still surprises me he was main eventing shows as recently as January. This was not a good decision from WWE it seems both tone death and cruel without any actual benefit. Remindsme far to much of when every spring it seemed like they would fire a bunch of people. Based on stories about what kind of person Rusev is it wouldnt shock me if he willingly took a release so others wouldnt loss their job
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Apr 16, 2020 9:08:41 GMT -5
I really don't get how current WWE contracts work. Talent can't quit for any reason and more time will be added in case of injury, but WWE can terminate them at any time? Maybe it's just because I don't spend a lot of time in the US, but that seems kinda like BS? Oh, it is BS. They play on people's "childhood dream" and give just enough money for it to be worth it. Folks like John Oliver on HBO have tried to expose it, but I don't think WWE is out of this woods here yet. I think they're in for months of bad press.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Apr 16, 2020 9:09:43 GMT -5
Did a quick bit of research since it was brought up. The McMahons didn’t donate the money to a Super PAC. Linda runs the Super PAC. The Super PAC pledged $18.5 million in advertising revenue to run advertisements favorable to the president from Labor Day through Election Day in Orlando and Tampa. As far as we know not a single cent from the McMahons could be involved. Still sleazy as all hell. I want to expand on this a bit. Not to defend the McMahons (because I give you all full consent to shoot me in the face the day that happens) but for clarity's sake. The SuperPAC that Linda runs is the main Trump 2020 affiliated SuperPAC. It definitely has a large contribution from the McMahons but is not in any way entirely or mostly their money. The SuperPAC made massive donations in 4 or 5 different states the same day they made the donation/ad buy in Florida. This was done for a few reasons, the main one being that DeSantis's handling of the crisis has tanked his and his party's polling numbers. The Florida governor's decision to make wrestling an essential business included all similar sporting events that could be done in a controlled environment, including golf and NASCAR. This has been the standard line for everyone he's affiliated with in politics, not the result of an absurdly timed donation. The donation happened because he's sticking to the party line, WWE is catching all the flack because it's wrestling and Vince is the only person greedy and crazy enough to still be running live events right now. If the PGA or NASCAR had their own facilities and production staffs available, they'd be doing the same. f*** a dirty billionaire firing his employees during a pandemic no matter what though
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 16, 2020 9:11:20 GMT -5
I really don't get how current WWE contracts work. Talent can't quit for any reason and more time will be added in case of injury, but WWE can terminate them at any time? Maybe it's just because I don't spend a lot of time in the US, but that seems kinda like BS? It is absolutely BS, but WWE has the big lawyers to enforce shitty contracts and all the leverage to say if you don't agree to the terms then you won't work for them. So people don't really have a choice but to sign on to those if they wanna be wrestlers. Any possibility of making good money elsewhere is a very recent development.
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Post by MrElijah on Apr 16, 2020 9:17:01 GMT -5
Man, Chioda was there for 30 years. If they gave him a watch, it's basically the Dusty "hard times" promo. Hard Times is pretty apt term right now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 9:19:38 GMT -5
Ugh, I had a rough night last night, and I haven't had a vivid wrestling dream about a current event since the 2015 Royal Rumble.
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Post by Muskrat on Apr 16, 2020 9:31:56 GMT -5
I have stayed away from commenting on any of this until the dust settled, though who knows if it has settled. Someone on a previous page posted the list of highest paid people in WWE and I have to say if they want to save money on salary get rid of Brock Lesnar and Bill Goldberg and there's a solid 13 million right there. There's really no feasible way to bring either guy back at this point with no live gates and only empty arenas. Between the mass releases and the whole "essential business" in FL lunacy has there been a more damaging week for WWE's reputation and credibility ever? People keep saying fire Brock, but as far as anything I’ve ever read about his contract that would save WWE exactly 0 dollars right now. He’s paid per appearance, he doesn’t have a downside guarantee. So when they aren’t using him, they aren’t paying him. His contract gives them exclusive rights to book him over X amount of time, he’s not on a year round salary as far as I’ve ever heard. Goldberg would be the same And Brock is no dummy, his contract is likely closer to a pro sports contract and has to be bought out if they aren’t gonna offer him the dates. Also, was there any actual proof of who made what other then Hunter? Those articles are normally entirely based on speculation and formulas. They’re about as accurate as the Celebrity Net Worth site normally
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Post by Welfare Willis on Apr 16, 2020 9:36:12 GMT -5
While WWE wasn't using them, Ryder and Hawkins have a lot of value with the toy market. Ryder especially since that guy basically figured out how to get over through youtube... and was punished for it.
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Post by chrom on Apr 16, 2020 9:42:09 GMT -5
A couple from NXT have been cut today, The Observer and F4WOnline is reporting. Dan Matha, Joe Quasto and Alyssa Miles
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Post by mattperiolat on Apr 16, 2020 9:46:46 GMT -5
I wonder if the word Vince fears the most is going to get used more.
Union.
The fact is he can argue independent contractor until he turns purple, they are employees - answerable to him and work only for him, fire at will regardless of seniority. And no retirement or health insurance plans.
On a publicly traded company that just got declared essential. Yes, Vince is majority shareholder, but still...
The bottom line - with Coronavirus still raging, no one released yesterday is going anywhere for a while, AEW or otherwise. Means they may get 30-90 days and then good luck. We pay for the privilege to watch the talent, someone needs to pay them back for what they give, beyond a title. Today, there is no difference between me and Rusev - he will put his pants on one leg at a time like I did, hopefully grab something to eat. The difference is I have a job. He has to worry about what to do until he can do his again.
Just... you love these men and women. Booking be damned, they’re people and faces we know. They deserve... so much more.
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Post by mauled on Apr 16, 2020 9:58:58 GMT -5
I genuinely think even when it comes to protecting their business that the WWE is indefensible. Leaving aside the dodgy $18 million donation Let’s look at their top 10 salaries announced in Feb Brock Lesnar, $10 million. Roman Reigns, $5 million. Randy Orton, $4.1 million. Seth Rollins, $4 million. Triple H, $3.3 million. Becky Lynch, $3.1 million. Bill Goldberg, $3 million. Shane McMahon, $2.1 million Stephanie McMahon, $2 million Braun Strowman, $1.9 million I dunno what Vince is paid but I’m assuming it’s not buttons Maybe we could make some savings there (No one even has to lose their jobs, you could just make some cuts) and allow those further down the card to keep their job for a little bit longer and then once things open back up then if you want to release them then go ahead Trips and Steph are married so they're in effect taking 5.3 Million between them. Also The WWE are paying Brock 10 Million 🤪😳
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 16, 2020 10:01:54 GMT -5
Did a quick bit of research since it was brought up. The McMahons didn’t donate the money to a Super PAC. Linda runs the Super PAC. The Super PAC pledged $18.5 million in advertising revenue to run advertisements favorable to the president from Labor Day through Election Day in Orlando and Tampa. As far as we know not a single cent from the McMahons could be involved. Still sleazy as all hell. I want to expand on this a bit. Not to defend the McMahons (because I give you all full consent to shoot me in the face the day that happens) but for clarity's sake. The SuperPAC that Linda runs is the main Trump 2020 affiliated SuperPAC. It definitely has a large contribution from the McMahons but is not in any way entirely or mostly their money. The SuperPAC made massive donations in 4 or 5 different states the same day they made the donation/ad buy in Florida. This was done for a few reasons, the main one being that DeSantis's handling of the crisis has tanked his and his party's polling numbers. The Florida governor's decision to make wrestling an essential business included all similar sporting events that could be done in a controlled environment, including golf and NASCAR. This has been the standard line for everyone he's affiliated with in politics, not the result of an absurdly timed donation. The donation happened because he's sticking to the party line, WWE is catching all the flack because it's wrestling and Vince is the only person greedy and crazy enough to still be running live events right now. If the PGA or NASCAR had their own facilities and production staffs available, they'd be doing the same. f*** a dirty billionaire firing his employees during a pandemic no matter what though You're absolutely right about how the Super PAC is going to operate, and definitely right that it's not primarily McMahon money (so it's fair to tamp down on the "WWE could've used that money to keep people signed" talking point), but...man, the absurd timing you mention is just too much to overlook. I know Florida is a pricey state to invest in for campaigns, so a hefty sum isn't that surprising, but that timing is just so in your face that it makes the whole thing stink...I mean, Super PACs are already rife with corruption potential to begin with, so no shock there, but ye gods.
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Post by thirteen3 on Apr 16, 2020 10:05:43 GMT -5
Noticed Lana hasn't been released alongside Rusev.
Vince is determined to have his "CJ" character I suppose.
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Post by Mecca on Apr 16, 2020 10:05:44 GMT -5
I just don’t want to watch wrestling anymore man. This shit just hurt my love of wrestling overall. Look to the companies trying to do the right thing during all this; companies that have nowhere near the resources WWE has, many of which have no overhead right now and no income without live events, yet are bending over backwards not to fire anyone. Plus, the solidarity showed by the major Japanese promotions during all of this is great, with even New Japan asking the Japanese government to just help make sure smaller promotions can still pay their wrestlers, and then Tanahashi even saying wrestling should be the last major entertainment option in Japan to reopen: The minute the WWE decided they wanted to be a publicly traded company the way they operate changed drastically, so they can't do things the other companies that are privately owned do.
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