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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 30, 2020 5:11:20 GMT -5
I remember it, but I swore up and down, he had more matches. For some reason I seen to remember he facing Luger and the Giant in single matches. I could be wrong but I swore I saw those matches.
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Post by floundertime on Apr 30, 2020 6:40:52 GMT -5
Obviously WCW didn’t send Bart a “I choo choo choose you” card
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 30, 2020 11:46:26 GMT -5
I remember it, but I swore up and down, he had more matches. For some reason I seen to remember he facing Luger and the Giant in single matches. I could be wrong but I swore I saw those matches. Considering we went from having two matches of the gimmick documented to another three being found almost immediately, I would not be shocked at all if there were more. |
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Post by petef3 on Apr 30, 2020 14:56:44 GMT -5
I dunno, most of that era of WCW television is pretty well-documented, even Prime. Maybe some syndicated Pro which sometimes had its own matches and continued on for several months after it left TBS isn't 100%, but I don't think Bart lasted that long.
You may be confusing Bart with Roadblock, or Reese.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 30, 2020 15:12:11 GMT -5
I dunno, most of that era of WCW television is pretty well-documented, even Prime. Maybe some syndicated Pro which sometimes had its own matches and continued on for several months after it left TBS isn't 100%, but I don't think Bart lasted that long. You may be confusing Bart with Roadblock, or Reese. This entire thread is literally based on video of a match he had in that gimmick that is not, in fact, "well-documented" anywhere online. The bigger results sites don't even have it listed. And then a FOURTH match, again, not "well-documented" anywhere was posted. No, WCW tv outside of Nitro and Thunder is extremely not well-documented. This isn't the only example. |
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Post by romanstylesiii on Apr 30, 2020 15:25:22 GMT -5
How did so many of these profession characters sneak into the nWo era? EB wanted a more reality based product, but the lower cared was filled with this all the way up until 99. You would really only see them on WCW Saturday Night and World War 3, but they were still there and being paid
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 30, 2020 15:30:49 GMT -5
How did so many of these profession characters sneak into the nWo era? EB wanted a more reality based product, but the lower cared was filled with this all the way up until 99. You would really only see them on WCW Saturday Night and World War 3, but they were still there and being paid Once Nitro was up and running, Bischoff stopped giving a crap about the B and C shows, and left them to people like Dusty and Jimmy Hart to run. They were space-fillers and time-wasters as a place to throw all the guys they signed to keep out of WWE's hands, but didn't want to actually use on the "real" shows. |
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Post by petef3 on Apr 30, 2020 16:11:07 GMT -5
I dunno, most of that era of WCW television is pretty well-documented, even Prime. Maybe some syndicated Pro which sometimes had its own matches and continued on for several months after it left TBS isn't 100%, but I don't think Bart lasted that long. You may be confusing Bart with Roadblock, or Reese. This entire thread is literally based on video of a match he had in that gimmick that is not, in fact, "well-documented" anywhere online. The bigger results sites don't even have it listed. And then a FOURTH match, again, not "well-documented" anywhere was posted. No, WCW tv outside of Nitro and Thunder is extremely not well-documented. This isn't the only example. My own listings have all those matches plus the others I mentioned. Thehistoryofwwe isn't necessarily complete but between CrazyMax and ddtdigest, you can find pretty much everything. I believe full season sets of every WCW show in '96 and '97 is in circulation, barring, again, maybe a few missing Pros. When I get home I can confirm what we have and don't. DDTdigest being a 20-year-old site even has recaps of stuff that isn't necessarily out there, like most of the aforementioned post-TBS episodes of Pro. |
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Apr 30, 2020 16:20:15 GMT -5
I dunno, most of that era of WCW television is pretty well-documented, even Prime. Maybe some syndicated Pro which sometimes had its own matches and continued on for several months after it left TBS isn't 100%, but I don't think Bart lasted that long. You may be confusing Bart with Roadblock, or Reese. This entire thread is literally based on video of a match he had in that gimmick that is not, in fact, "well-documented" anywhere online. The bigger results sites don't even have it listed. And then a FOURTH match, again, not "well-documented" anywhere was posted. No, WCW tv outside of Nitro and Thunder is extremely not well-documented. This isn't the only example. Years back,like 2003ish,a group of posters at DVDVR were working on cataloging WCW Pro,WCW worldwide and i think it was WCW Main Event. I don't think they ever finished it. So many great and crazy matches of those three shows that so few people know about. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 30, 2020 16:29:19 GMT -5
This entire thread is literally based on video of a match he had in that gimmick that is not, in fact, "well-documented" anywhere online. The bigger results sites don't even have it listed. And then a FOURTH match, again, not "well-documented" anywhere was posted. No, WCW tv outside of Nitro and Thunder is extremely not well-documented. This isn't the only example. My own listings have all those matches plus the others I mentioned. Thehistoryofwwe isn't necessarily complete but between CrazyMax and ddtdigest, you can find pretty much everything. I believe full season sets of every WCW show in '96 and '97 is in circulation, barring, again, maybe a few missing Pros. When I get home I can confirm what we have and don't. DDTdigest being a 20-year-old site even has recaps of stuff that isn't necessarily out there, like most of the aforementioned post-TBS episodes of Pro. CrazyMax and ddtdigest are much better than some, for sure, at least in some regards. They're both nightmares for a casual person to search or find what you're looking for, and haven't been updated in years for the most part. Even with more complete results, they've been left behind largely in favor of sites like wrestlingdata and cagematch, which are woefully incomplete but are used much more often for research purposes. I admit to my overuse of the word "anywhere" as exaggeration, but my sentiment holds still on this stuff not being well-documented. Documented, yes, but not well-documented. It's akin to someone writing the most thorough book possible on the history of, let's say, Chandler Texas. It got released 25 years ago and only hardcore Texas history buffs know it exists. But then less well-researched book about Chandler gets released that's more up-to-date but leaves out a ton of stuff the first book had and becomes a bestseller. |
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Post by jason1980s on Apr 30, 2020 16:33:16 GMT -5
It wouldn't surprise me if Bart was signed until 2000 and was never used on TV but was still collecting paychecks.
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Post by petef3 on Apr 30, 2020 18:19:23 GMT -5
Totally forgot about this website. The definitive WCW TV guide. This is a list of missing shows and I'm not sure you couldn't fill some of these up through some digging through DDTdigest. As we can see, everything from 1995 to 1997 is accounted for barring a few episodes of Pro in that time period. Yes, it's possible that Bart was on one of those shows, but I think it's far more likely that we're thinking of Roadblock or Reese/Ron Studd or Rick Fuller. Without going back and checking my notes I'm almost positive there was a Luger/Roadblock match, at the very least. Edit: This one may be a bit easier to navigate and is certainly much easier to find a specific wrestler, if you're willing to go show by show and year by year. But it really appears that Bart only had matches in 1995.
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Post by romanstylesiii on Apr 30, 2020 21:47:00 GMT -5
How did so many of these profession characters sneak into the nWo era? EB wanted a more reality based product, but the lower cared was filled with this all the way up until 99. You would really only see them on WCW Saturday Night and World War 3, but they were still there and being paid Once Nitro was up and running, Bischoff stopped giving a crap about the B and C shows, and left them to people like Dusty and Jimmy Hart to run. They were space-fillers and time-wasters as a place to throw all the guys they signed to keep out of WWE's hands, but didn't want to actually use on the "real" shows. He goes ON and ON on 83 weeks about budget stuff. He could have cut the roster by 33% in '99 and still likely been close to breaking even. There are numerous stories of guys working less than 10 dates and making 6 figures Not that I want anyone fired, but the financial mismanagement eventually caused everyone to lose their jobs. |
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Post by BorneAgain on Apr 30, 2020 21:58:36 GMT -5
Honestly its almost as if WCW was two businesses after 1995; one was the major Nitro based company with the Horsemen, nWo, etc, and the other was this lower card promotion operating by itself in its own universe.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 1, 2020 0:39:06 GMT -5
Totally forgot about this website. The definitive WCW TV guide. This is a list of missing shows and I'm not sure you couldn't fill some of these up through some digging through DDTdigest. As we can see, everything from 1995 to 1997 is accounted for barring a few episodes of Pro in that time period. Yes, it's possible that Bart was on one of those shows, but I think it's far more likely that we're thinking of Roadblock or Reese/Ron Studd or Rick Fuller. Without going back and checking my notes I'm almost positive there was a Luger/Roadblock match, at the very least. Edit: This one may be a bit easier to navigate and is certainly much easier to find a specific wrestler, if you're willing to go show by show and year by year. But it really appears that Bart only had matches in 1995. Thanks for the links, these are not anything I've ever seen used by anyone before, but look promising. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 1, 2020 0:41:35 GMT -5
Honestly its almost as if WCW was two businesses after 1995; one was the major Nitro based company with the Horsemen, nWo, etc, and the other was this lower card promotion operating by itself in its own universe. Of for sure. Almost (but not quite) the same way Main Event or whatever C-show WWE has going eventually turns into its own little canon that's never acknowledged by the main shows. |
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