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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 30, 2020 16:26:33 GMT -5
It's still sort of weird how Kaare Andrews went from 'draws some cool covers' to 'writes&draws Spidey as Dark Knight Returns but edgier' with nothing in between.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Apr 30, 2020 17:20:52 GMT -5
No. Nonononononononononononono! That storyline was terrible on so many levels.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Apr 30, 2020 18:33:46 GMT -5
I didn’t hate it like many did, but it seems like it would still require a lot more world building, and they’d need to tweak it. X-Men haven’t been introduced yet, you’d need a minute to sell how Magneto could have Thor’s hammer.
Maybe phase 6, but 5 seems pretty quick.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Apr 30, 2020 20:26:44 GMT -5
They're adapting the story that nobody liked?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 30, 2020 22:17:08 GMT -5
They're adapting the story that nobody liked? Nobody liked Civil War either, so there's precedent.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Apr 30, 2020 22:32:38 GMT -5
I'd imagine it'd bare as much resemblance as Civil War did - taking the very broad strokes of the concept and doing something wholly unrelated. Give this man a can of coke.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on May 1, 2020 4:12:05 GMT -5
The Ultimatum comic followed by the (Ultimate) Death of Spider-Man comics were some of what contributed to my not following monthly comics, anymore.
The brutality in Ultimatum was a huge turn off for me after following the Ultimate Universe since Day 1. And the Death of Spider-Man was more of that. Seeing 16 year old Peter Parker bleed out from a guy shot on his front yard was like this huge red flag that said “Hey, man. These comics aren’t really for you, anymore”.
And, I mean, that’s fine. I don’t expect the stuff I enjoyed as a teen to still be aimed at the adult me. But it is what it is.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 1, 2020 4:24:27 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, I think the MCU could do a Secret Empire plot better than the infamous story from a few years ago. Considering Evans seems to be done as Cap and he was vocally critical of the story as it was being written, I don't see it in the cards. You'd probably need to cast a new Steve and immediately make him evil, which isn't the best first impression a new actor would want. Allegedly Evans has spoken about potentially coming back at some point... but I don't see him coming back for Secret Empire. That said on the Captain America front I still want to see them try William Burnside... with him slowly going crazy and demanding people call him Steven >_> I don't see Ultimatum getting adapted... mainly because... it's not really a story... it's just a big crisis happens and a bunch of people die for no real plan... some in unbelievably stupidly awful ways. Which they obviously regretted as characters that were obvious stand ins for some of the ones killed debuted almost immediately after. It also kinda goes against the obvious of what they seem like they are setting up currently which is more Cosmic stuff.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on May 1, 2020 5:06:44 GMT -5
Ah The Ultimates universe which generated nothing remotely interesting except maybe the Mysterio avatar droid and Miles.
Ultimates did have that Red Skull story I had the displeasure of reading.
They'd be better off building up to an Annihilation Wave or Galactus story honestly.
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Post by Scoops on May 1, 2020 5:23:29 GMT -5
They're adapting the story that nobody liked? Nobody liked Civil War either, so there's precedent. As the years went on yes, but like with “Identity Crisis” it was a big hit at the time despite not aging well.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on May 1, 2020 9:52:04 GMT -5
I think Wanda is going to be one of the next big bads and it’s perfect. Nothing is going to affect them like having to take one of their own out. She’s already getting mentally unstable before she has full use of her powers and Dr. Strange 2 is supposed to result in full on Scarlet Witch. She’s lost her parents, her country, Quicksilver, Vision and who knows if Vision or two other people make it out of WandaVision as actual beings. She’s gonna crack. I think that’s the perfect introduction to the X-Men to be honest. Have the reason Wanda and Piotr survived the Stone experiments be that they are actually mutants and the stone turned their powers on. Wanda starts to lose control and Xavier offers to help. This leads to an Avengers vs X-Men with them fighting over Wanda and her well being. She loses full control and they have to team up to stop her. Credits scene has her in power inhibitors at a Shield facility somewhere when some magnetic guy shows up asking her to join his Brotherhood. Problems with turning Wanda and Pietro into mutants: Their dad whenever they're mutants is tied to a real world event which makes him over 90 years old in the current time of Marvel movies.
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Post by Rolent Tex on May 1, 2020 10:49:34 GMT -5
I think Wanda is going to be one of the next big bads and it’s perfect. Nothing is going to affect them like having to take one of their own out. She’s already getting mentally unstable before she has full use of her powers and Dr. Strange 2 is supposed to result in full on Scarlet Witch. She’s lost her parents, her country, Quicksilver, Vision and who knows if Vision or two other people make it out of WandaVision as actual beings. She’s gonna crack. I think that’s the perfect introduction to the X-Men to be honest. Have the reason Wanda and Piotr survived the Stone experiments be that they are actually mutants and the stone turned their powers on. Wanda starts to lose control and Xavier offers to help. This leads to an Avengers vs X-Men with them fighting over Wanda and her well being. She loses full control and they have to team up to stop her. Credits scene has her in power inhibitors at a Shield facility somewhere when some magnetic guy shows up asking her to join his Brotherhood. Problems with turning Wanda and Pietro into mutants: Their dad whenever they're mutants is tied to a real world event which makes him over 90 years old in the current time of Marvel movies. Thanks to the Fox feud they already retconned him being their parents anyways...same with Wanda being a mutant.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on May 1, 2020 10:58:21 GMT -5
I think Wanda is going to be one of the next big bads and it’s perfect. Nothing is going to affect them like having to take one of their own out. She’s already getting mentally unstable before she has full use of her powers and Dr. Strange 2 is supposed to result in full on Scarlet Witch. She’s lost her parents, her country, Quicksilver, Vision and who knows if Vision or two other people make it out of WandaVision as actual beings. She’s gonna crack. I think that’s the perfect introduction to the X-Men to be honest. Have the reason Wanda and Piotr survived the Stone experiments be that they are actually mutants and the stone turned their powers on. Wanda starts to lose control and Xavier offers to help. This leads to an Avengers vs X-Men with them fighting over Wanda and her well being. She loses full control and they have to team up to stop her. Credits scene has her in power inhibitors at a Shield facility somewhere when some magnetic guy shows up asking her to join his Brotherhood. Problems with turning Wanda and Pietro into mutants: Their dad whenever they're mutants is tied to a real world event which makes him over 90 years old in the current time of Marvel movies. You can always stick Magneto on ice or some kind of stasis for whatever reason. It's getting a bit hard to keep Magneto's Holocaust origin, unfortunately. There can be some way to involve his Jewish ancestry into his character, because that is important.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 1, 2020 11:15:36 GMT -5
You don't have to have Magneto be a direct holocaust survivor. He wasn't for something like 20 years.
Could easily make that just part of his family history instead.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 1, 2020 11:28:06 GMT -5
You don't have to have Magneto be a direct holocaust survivor. He wasn't for something like 20 years. Could easily make that just part of his family history instead. You can, but again, it's such a strong addition to his character that removing it makes him feel less. You should never remove character traits that add depth and nuance.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on May 1, 2020 12:19:08 GMT -5
You don't have to have Magneto be a direct holocaust survivor. He wasn't for something like 20 years. Could easily make that just part of his family history instead. You can, but again, it's such a strong addition to his character that removing it makes him feel less. You should never remove character traits that add depth and nuance. Well, he could be a victim of the Yugoslav Wars instead.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 1, 2020 12:22:21 GMT -5
You can, but again, it's such a strong addition to his character that removing it makes him feel less. You should never remove character traits that add depth and nuance. Well, he could be a victim of the Yugoslav Wars instead. That's totally fine. To me, most importantly he just needs to maintain the perspective of a true victim of pre-mutant bigotry. It's what separates him from a typical twirling moustache villain.
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Post by Stone Cold Eleanor Shellstrop on May 1, 2020 12:22:43 GMT -5
Ah The Ultimates universe which generated nothing remotely interesting except maybe the Mysterio avatar droid and Miles.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 1, 2020 12:29:14 GMT -5
You don't have to have Magneto be a direct holocaust survivor. He wasn't for something like 20 years. Could easily make that just part of his family history instead. You can, but again, it's such a strong addition to his character that removing it makes him feel less. You should never remove character traits that add depth and nuance. not even a hard fix to make... one of the second hand effects of his powers is enhanced longevity... done.
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Post by chrom on May 1, 2020 12:30:53 GMT -5
As time passes, we're getting to the point where certain characters like Magneto would be over a hundred years old if they kept their origin stories.
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