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Post by Nr1Humanoid on May 14, 2020 0:58:09 GMT -5
Gene Roddenberry was a great visionary who created ST but from what I have read he did not have the writing skills to carry out his ideas.
And it takes more than one person to keep a franchise good so who else deserves their part of the credit?
From what I understand Gene Coon was Finger to Roddenberry's Kane, even creating the Klingons.
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Post by thechase on May 14, 2020 3:25:55 GMT -5
Harlan Ellison is credited with one of the all-time greats, "City on the Edge of Forever" but most of it was heavily rewritten by Roddenberry
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Post by Feyrhausen on May 14, 2020 5:59:44 GMT -5
Harlan Ellison is credited with one of the all-time greats, "City on the Edge of Forever" but most of it was heavily rewritten by Roddenberry The original script had some things in it like a crew member dealing drugs (not Scotty as Roddenberry would often say in interviews), the time altered Enterprise crew as "space pirates" (a trope Roddenberry hated), and a resolution that Roddenberry felt was out of character for Kirk (don't remember the exact details at the moment). |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 14, 2020 6:58:18 GMT -5
D. C. Fontana was the story editor for most of the first two seasons of TOS, as well as a credited and uncredited writer on dozens of episodes spread across TOS, TAS, TNG and DS9.
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Post by BorneAgain on May 14, 2020 7:09:57 GMT -5
Honestly there is a lot of unsung heroes in TOS. Gene L. Coon created a lot of the most enduring elements like the Klingons, and DC Fontana's work fleshed out both Spock and the Federation a great deal. But there's others like Robert Justman, Herb Solow, John DF Black, and John Meredyth Lucas who were all important in both writing and production for many Trek episodes.
It was a pattern that continued into the movies and in TNG where it was producer Harve Bennett and Nicholas Meyer who steered the Trek films back after the production woes of the Motion Picture or eventual showrunner Michael Piller who really elevated the Next Generation beyond the growing pains of the first two seasons and gradually moved the series out of the constrained Roddenberry box.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 14, 2020 8:20:00 GMT -5
Honestly there is a lot of unsung heroes in TOS. Gene L. Coon created a lot of the most enduring elements like the Klingons, and DC Fontana's work fleshed out both Spock and the Federation a great deal. But there's others like Robert Justman, Herb Solow, John DF Black, and John Meredyth Lucas who were all important in both writing and production for many Trek episodes. It was a pattern that continued into the movies and in TNG where it was producer Harve Bennett and Nicholas Meyer who steered the Trek films back after the production woes of the Motion Picture or eventual showrunner Michael Piller who really elevated the Next Generation beyond the growing pains of the first two seasons and gradually moved the series out of the constrained Roddenberry box. Add in Ronald D. Moore who really turned the Klingon culture into what we know, beyond warrior bad guys. |
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Post by Hit Girl on May 14, 2020 12:37:41 GMT -5
Roddenberry for the initial idea.
Many others for making it work.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 13:53:12 GMT -5
A lot of people contributed, but that doesn't take away the fact that he created it.
I mean, look at Marvel Comics. Stan Lee and Jack Kirby created most of the characters, but they aren't solely responsible for their entire mythos and success. Ditto Just about every other fictional universe ever created.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on May 14, 2020 19:39:38 GMT -5
We must also give Rick Berman credit for his initial actions in stabilizing TNG, allowing it to become the hit show and continuing the franchise.
Obviously Ira Steven Behr and Rene Echevarria influenced the tone and direction of DS9.
There's also makeup guy Michael Westmore, and techies Michael and Denise Okuda.
Brannon Braga was very present for Voyager and Enterprise, and also cowrote Generations, if I remember correctly. Does anyone know any good episodes Braga actually wrote?
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Post by BorneAgain on May 14, 2020 19:56:21 GMT -5
We must also give Rick Berman credit for his initial actions in stabilizing TNG, allowing it to become the hit show and continuing the franchise. Obviously Ira Steven Behr and Rene Echevarria influenced the tone and direction of DS9. There's also makeup guy Michael Westmore, and techies Michael and Denise Okuda. Brannon Braga was very present for Voyager and Enterprise, and also cowrote Generations, if I remember correctly. Does anyone know any good episodes Braga actually wrote? Honestly until the last half of TNG, Braga had a good record with stories he wrote or helped develop: Reunion The Game Power Play Cause and Effect Realm of Fear Schisms A Fistful of Datas Birthright, Part I Frame of Mind Timescape Phantasms Parallels The thing is with Braga is more often than not he's a multiplying factor. Give him a good story or writer to work with and the guy can make it better. Give him a hit and miss writer like Joe Menosky or a consistently dubious one like Rick Berman and you get Voyager and Enterprise respectively. |
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Post by Cyno on May 14, 2020 21:04:54 GMT -5
So many people deserve credit for turning the Klingons into a fleshed out culture as opposed to "Blatant USSR/China Cold War analogue."
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