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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jun 18, 2020 10:13:28 GMT -5
Starr works in the UK a lot, so I guess he's part of BritWres? What the f*** is it with BritWres that has lead to all of this? As a Brit myself, I never heard anything about the seedier aspects when people like Will Ospreay were getting booked in PWG and PROGRESS was really establishing itself as a top indy promotion, same with OTT (I know they're Irish, but a lot of BritWres workers worked there.) and it just seems like things have been going wrong all at once? Oh we already had a big one a few years back with James Davis and Daniel Elder grooming underage trainees, even for the UK when the Age of Consent is 16. Oh and speaking of Ospreay let's not forget him managing to get Pollyanna blackballed into retirement because she spoke out about Scotty Wainwright raping her.
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Post by Tenshigure on Jun 18, 2020 10:15:21 GMT -5
I feel like Starr's apology would feel a bit more genuine if he stopped himself after the first misunderstood encounter. The fact that there's MULTIPLE partners that he's admitted to mentally abusing is very telling; let's also be honest, it's very likely he was sexually coercing the others as well considering he openly admits to at least one such occurrence (his "sorry I was thinking with the wrong head" non-apology).
If he really was concerned about bettering himself, he wouldn't have kept taking on more partners and continuing the cycle. This is a situation where "I'm trying to do better" is more along the lines of "I'm not trying hard enough".
If he wants to improve himself and redeem his abhorrent behavior, great. Don't do it at the expense of innocents who trust their intimacy to you. Be single for a few years until you've truly matured as a person, and in the meantime don't be surprised if your career tanks hard in the interim.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Jun 18, 2020 10:22:00 GMT -5
Starr works in the UK a lot, so I guess he's part of BritWres? What the f*** is it with BritWres that has lead to all of this? As a Brit myself, I never heard anything about the seedier aspects when people like Will Ospreay were getting booked in PWG and PROGRESS was really establishing itself as a top indy promotion, same with OTT (I know they're Irish, but a lot of BritWres workers worked there.) and it just seems like things have been going wrong all at once? Oh we already had a big one a few years back with James Davis and Daniel Elder grooming underage trainees, even for the UK when the Age of Consent is 16. Oh and speaking of Ospreay let's not forget him managing to get Pollyanna blackballed into retirement because she spoke out about Scotty Wainwright raping her. There was always something weird about James Davis. I saw what would turn out to be one of his last matches, before we knew what he had been doing, and there was something...off about his demeanour. Like him being a shit bloke wasn't really a gimmick.
Bubblegum was another whose career was ended because he was found to be taking advantage of a student, and going back a bit I'm sure we know about Jay Phoenix/James Wallace. I've heard things about one or two others but I don't know and I don't really want to get involved with salacious gossip about things that may or may not be true, but those we know about are certainly not the only ones. I don't think it's a Britwres thing so much as a wrestling/entertainment thing.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jun 18, 2020 10:23:37 GMT -5
Starr works in the UK a lot, so I guess he's part of BritWres? What the f*** is it with BritWres that has lead to all of this? As a Brit myself, I never heard anything about the seedier aspects when people like Will Ospreay were getting booked in PWG and PROGRESS was really establishing itself as a top indy promotion, same with OTT (I know they're Irish, but a lot of BritWres workers worked there.) and it just seems like things have been going wrong all at once? Oh we already had a big one a few years back with James Davis and Daniel Elder grooming underage trainees, even for the UK when the Age of Consent is 16. Oh and speaking of Ospreay let's not forget him managing to get Pollyanna blackballed into retirement because she spoke out about Scotty Wainwright raping her. Oh, yeah, I remember that and it was also a major dick move of PROGRESS management to book Scotty even when Pollyanna told them not to. That was my first inclination that PROGRESS wasn't as awesome as I originally thought.
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Post by Square on Jun 18, 2020 10:24:06 GMT -5
Starr works in the UK a lot, so I guess he's part of BritWres? What the f*** is it with BritWres that has lead to all of this? As a Brit myself, I never heard anything about the seedier aspects when people like Will Ospreay were getting booked in PWG and PROGRESS was really establishing itself as a top indy promotion, same with OTT (I know they're Irish, but a lot of BritWres workers worked there.) and it just seems like things have been going wrong all at once? Oh we already had a big one a few years back with James Davis and Daniel Elder grooming underage trainees, even for the UK when the Age of Consent is 16. Oh and speaking of Ospreay let's not forget him managing to get Pollyanna blackballed into retirement because she spoke out about Scotty Wainwright raping her. Theres dozens of stories. It's just so f***ing sad at this point. The promoters, the wrestlers, prominent fans all engaging in god awful behaviour.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 18, 2020 10:35:35 GMT -5
David Starr is like the James Deen of wrestling. Performer in a historically shady industry shining a light on himself as this super-woke beacon of light, when in reality he's a scumbag. That's just a big part of human nature in general. A former roommate of mine hooked up with a person who actively admitted that he was super-woke in order to balance out that he likes to treat people like shit in his day-to-day life.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jun 18, 2020 10:43:12 GMT -5
David Starr is like the James Deen of wrestling. Performer in a historically shady industry shining a light on himself as this super-woke beacon of light, when in reality he's a scumbag. Took me a moment of thinking “James Dean was a celebrity for like five minutes...”, then I realised who you were talking about.
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Post by Viking Hall on Jun 18, 2020 10:47:57 GMT -5
Starr works in the UK a lot, so I guess he's part of BritWres? What the f*** is it with BritWres that has lead to all of this? As a Brit myself, I never heard anything about the seedier aspects when people like Will Ospreay were getting booked in PWG and PROGRESS was really establishing itself as a top indy promotion, same with OTT (I know they're Irish, but a lot of BritWres workers worked there.) and it just seems like things have been going wrong all at once? Oh we already had a big one a few years back with James Davis and Daniel Elder grooming underage trainees, even for the UK when the Age of Consent is 16. Oh and speaking of Ospreay let's not forget him managing to get Pollyanna blackballed into retirement because she spoke out about Scotty Wainwright raping her. I was loosely involved with a low end British promotion going back a few years and there's a scummy under belly to that one too, some of which came to light, some of which hasn't. It's unfortunately an industry that has and always will attract its fair share of social misfits and sleazeballs.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Jun 18, 2020 11:10:48 GMT -5
Riptide has released a statement about David Starr
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 11:41:21 GMT -5
Riptide has released a statement about David Starr (and a FAN user...) Riptide come across as the best. Definitely going to make a trip down to Brighton when possible.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 18, 2020 11:48:51 GMT -5
I should just note at this point that as a consequence of these revelations, that particular poster has had their account here closed down. As such, they are subject to the normal policy in regards to discussing banned users, so please try to keep the thread only about the David Starr situation. Thank you.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Jun 18, 2020 11:55:32 GMT -5
Yeah, I was a bit wary on mentioning that in the post, but yeah. Hopefully we can keep this on David Starr only.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Jun 18, 2020 13:00:09 GMT -5
Riptide has released a statement about David Starr Who is Martin Bentley and what's his part in this?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 18, 2020 13:07:52 GMT -5
Riptide has released a statement about David Starr Who is Martin Bentley and what's his part in this? See my post above.
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Post by Spider2024 on Jun 18, 2020 13:10:56 GMT -5
Riptide has released a statement about David Starr Who is Martin Bentley and what's his part in this? He, um, WAS a pretty prevalent poster here. (For the record, he's not directly connected to the David Starr crap, just that his crap happened to blow wide open on the same day that Starr's did.)
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jun 18, 2020 13:12:10 GMT -5
(just deleted some posts I made because we got told to keep it to David Starr alone in the middle of that. Sorry)
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Post by Dub H on Jun 18, 2020 13:12:42 GMT -5
I just hope someone that is actuall a good person picks up the fight for workers right,that is an important issue and I hope people dont try to use this to undermine it
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Post by lucas_lee on Jun 18, 2020 13:17:48 GMT -5
*Sighs* Starr is doubling down on twitter that he was a shitty partner but he's not a rapist or a predator. I wish I could facepalm so huge my face comes off
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 18, 2020 13:22:36 GMT -5
I didn't think it was even theoretically possible to be worse at twitter than Sunny but here we are because good lord has he handled this in every wrong way imaginable. He admits that the events occurred...kinda, then tries to minimize the events, then puts out an even more dumbfounding apology via a promoted tweet and now seems to be trying to act like a martyr...or something. If there were any justice in the world his wrestling career would be completely over and I would never have to worry about seeing him again. But people gave Teddy Hart another chance so who the hell knows Starr has always been off... i remember he talked about how his first tour in Germany and visiting the concentration camps changed him as previously he was a very egotistical jerk. Then I originally supported his We the Indy movement but he seemed to become militant about it. Not gonna get into the political side but he seemed to slowly become radicalized in his ideals. He was pretty much blackballed from a lot of US feds and I remember someone asked him about AEW and he said he was blackballed by them so that was a huge redflag to me
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Post by Rave on Jun 18, 2020 13:29:14 GMT -5
Always got shitberg vibes off Starr, but this is just...ugh.
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