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Post by eJm on Jun 19, 2020 20:39:25 GMT -5
They were both charged. The trouble was that police could not make heads or tails of either alibi (location was similar but what was being used, who had it, how it all started etc) so all charges were dropped. Also, this needs to be said again concerning Enzo and it’s something that sticks in my craw because of how widespread it was; Police could not prove that Enzo did or did not do the crime so the trial was ruled inconclusive. There’s a massive difference between that and not guilty. Yea, but Enzo would kept his job based upon that technicality It’d have been honestly 50/50 because with that, the investigation would have been reopened again if evidence came out in either direction. So from WWE’s standpoint, you either take a chance on a guy who could be not guilty or take a chance on a guy, something comes to light and you have a guy who committed sexual assault on your roster. Even with all that, though, I’d have still fired him. Like you said, if he told them, he’d be suspended and likely supported somewhat. As of that point? Dude couldn’t be trusted by the company for anything again if he was keeping that from them.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 19, 2020 20:41:55 GMT -5
Yea, but Enzo would kept his job based upon that technicality It’d have been honestly 50/50 because with that, the investigation would have been reopened again if evidence came out in either direction. So from WWE’s standpoint, you either take a chance on a guy who could be not guilty or take a chance on a guy, something comes to light and you have a guy who committed sexual assault on your roster. He would have f***ed up again before he was ever given a 2nd chance Dude lived his gimmick and from WWE standpoint while they may have liked him, he was a big liability not worth keeping. I can see someone saying well Enzo is on triple one thousand probation and we will bring him back only for him to f*** it up Dude couldn't even sit at home quietly. I doubt he would made it past any probation phase
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Post by octopus on Jun 19, 2020 20:43:15 GMT -5
Idk about that As said already WWE does not release you just because of an allegation. A few stars of WWE have been accused of things like rape and generally the rule is to lie low until we figure it out. The only ones who actually got released based on recent memory is ones that didn't listen or actually did what they were accused of Enzo didn't want to listen and got released. He most likely would still been on the roster if he actually laid low. Rich Swann got cut fast when the allegations about the incident between him and his wife came out and there was truth to it. A few years ago Heath Slater was accused of rape and taken off TV until that whole thing was taken care of. He wasn't cut, they just waited to see how things would play out and once he was clear he was back on TV Lawler was arrested for a domestic dispute a few years ago too and he was put on suspension... when charges were dropped (or his girlfriend was the one that got actually charged I forget which) he was reinstated. Thats the first I remember hearing about the WWE's corporate policy on these things. Oh there is a whole can of worms on Jerry Lawler waiting to be opened.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jun 19, 2020 22:13:13 GMT -5
Randomly just choking someone out in the ring. Sounds like he might have a fondness for physical dominance
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jun 20, 2020 0:56:58 GMT -5
Well if this is true, thinking his wife is gathering up her stuff and moving as far away as possible.
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Post by Andy Martin on Jun 20, 2020 1:46:10 GMT -5
Randomly just choking someone out in the ring. Sounds like he might have a fondness for physical dominance Jesus Christ, that’s terrifying. I mean, the entire situation is terrifying but that’s the cherry on the shit sundae.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 20, 2020 1:57:33 GMT -5
Randomly just choking someone out in the ring. Sounds like he might have a fondness for physical dominance This dude really had the gall and I mean THE GALL to call himself "The Gentleman", what a f***ing piece of shit man.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Jun 20, 2020 2:34:47 GMT -5
Honestly it's times like these that make embarrassed to be a fan.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jun 20, 2020 2:41:05 GMT -5
Man, Jack Gallagher being such a predator really hurts for me, because I adored 205 Live for so long, when seemingly everyone else wrote it off. Gallagher was definitely one of the reasons I stuck around too, even if I didn't think much of his heel run after the first month. And it turns out he's definitely got one of the scummiest stories we've seen since #SpeakingOut started.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 20, 2020 2:54:49 GMT -5
Man, Jack Gallagher being such a predator really hurts for me, because I adored 205 Live for so long, when seemingly everyone else wrote it off. Gallagher was definitely one of the reasons I stuck around too, even if I didn't think much of his heel run after the first month. And it turns out he's definitely got one of the scummiest stories we've seen since #SpeakingOut started. Dude was one of the first “breakout” stars of that roster with his babyface schtick with the umbrella. Got enough traction for him to get a spot in a Royal Rumble, as it were. And that whole time, he’d been carrying around these ghoulish stories about his attitude away from the ring. Between him, Amore, Swann and his domestic incident and TJP just generally being really dodgy as well, that’s a whole lot of early 205 Live that is majorly cursed now.
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Post by 67 more on Jun 20, 2020 3:00:44 GMT -5
This stings, I was a big fan of Gallagher during his first face run and there was a missed opportunity not making him the Cruiserweight Champion at that time. His heel run completely tanked his overness and he never recovered from there.
I can forgive a lot of things. I can forgive racism, I can forgive murder, I can forgive a lot if the person is genuinely repentant or if the person is unable to repent in the case of death or disability, I can look at the background of the crime and see if it was understandable.
It takes so much to forgive sexual crimes and there's a pattern of behaviour here showing that he wouldn't be repentant and wouldn't do anything to make things right. Short bloke syndrome coming out in spades and taking it out on anyone he can in any way he can.
In relation to the choking incident, I had something similar when training. I came in as the tallest guy in the promotion and the now-second tallest guy, by the name of Franco (and it was a matter of an inch or so) took liberties here and there. Once we were doing a trade off in the ring and he slaps me as hard as he possibly could right in the ear. Because we're doing a trade off where I win, just had to no-sell it and carry on. I couldn't really do anything because he was the assistant coach.
We were filming a promo where I was just a random guy fighting the heel commissioner as training for his upcoming match. The idea was that I'd punch him out and Franco would come from behind and hit me with a chair then choke me out with a sleeper, then the commissioner would put a crossface on my unconscious body.
To be fair, Franco was light with the chair and I didn't really realise it hit me so I sold it like shit, which is my mistake. Because it was pre-taped, we could easily just start again. Instead he locks me in this sleeper so hard, I could not breathe. Tried to speak to ease up but could only gag and splutter.
After this, he lets go of me and then says we need to film it again because I didn't sell the chair enough. I'm not implying that he did anything as bad as Gallagher did in his private life, but it's that sort of insecure bullying in the ring that we don't need in a fake sport.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jun 20, 2020 4:55:45 GMT -5
Randomly just choking someone out in the ring. Sounds like he might have a fondness for physical dominance This dude really had the gall and I mean THE GALL to call himself "The Gentleman", what a f***ing piece of shit man. We all know how they say that your wrestling persona is just yourself "turned up to 11." Well, I need to go check to see if the definition of "gentleman" has been changed a gigantic 180 degrees in the past couple of days.
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Post by octopus on Jun 20, 2020 14:33:41 GMT -5
Oh I don't know, Japan think the worst of drug users or addicts than they do sexual abusers.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 20, 2020 18:09:54 GMT -5
Honestly it's times like these that make embarrassed to be a fan. I recommend you go read autisticgeordie's thread about this in (w)rest.
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Post by ANuclearError on Jun 20, 2020 18:16:16 GMT -5
This dude really had the gall and I mean THE GALL to call himself "The Gentleman", what a f***ing piece of shit man. We all know how they say that your wrestling persona is just yourself "turned up to 11." Well, I need to go check to see if the definition of "gentleman" has been changed a gigantic 180 degrees in the past couple of days.Well... If you put in the framing "I'm a gentleman, m'lady", then it does paint a certain picture.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Jun 20, 2020 18:50:14 GMT -5
There's gotta be more to the story I don't know, but I still find it weird that as far as I can tell he's the ONLY one that's been released.
And was released seemingly hours after this broke.
Like, out of the tons of accusations we've gotten, he's been the only casualty of his own disgustingness.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 20, 2020 18:52:13 GMT -5
There's gotta be more to the story I don't know, but I still find it weird that as far as I can tell he's the ONLY one that's been released. And was released seemingly hours after this broke. Like, out of the tons of accusations we've gotten, he's been the only casualty of his own disgustingness. You can only really speculate. It could either mean he has been honorable enough to go to the office, say I need to quit and own up to this, and has left with some kind of dignity. It equally could mean his allegations have the most teeth so he got booted quick sharp. Likely to be neither. But him being the only one is really sticking in my craw a bit too...
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Post by eJm on Jun 20, 2020 19:01:04 GMT -5
There's gotta be more to the story I don't know, but I still find it weird that as far as I can tell he's the ONLY one that's been released. And was released seemingly hours after this broke. Like, out of the tons of accusations we've gotten, he's been the only casualty of his own disgustingness. You can only really speculate. It could either mean he has been honorable enough to go to the office, say I need to quit and own up to this, and has left with some kind of dignity. It equally could mean his allegations have the most teeth so he got booted quick sharp. Likely to be neither. But him being the only one is really sticking in my craw a bit too... My theory is that, for the UK talents at least, there is a police investigation starting up and many people who’ve told stories have given evidence to police about them so WWE is basically waiting for the outcome of that to move. And with some looking to their lawyers, it seems like something that might take a while to come from potentially. On the flip side, I would have at least seen more suspensions as this stuff begins, especially those who’ve been publicly accused since many of them are, as of right now, still being paid by WWE and you’d think they would want to avoid that scenario right now.
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Post by Shark on Jun 20, 2020 19:58:13 GMT -5
You can only really speculate. It could either mean he has been honorable enough to go to the office, say I need to quit and own up to this, and has left with some kind of dignity. It equally could mean his allegations have the most teeth so he got booted quick sharp. Likely to be neither. But him being the only one is really sticking in my craw a bit too... My theory is that, for the UK talents at least, there is a police investigation starting up and many people who’ve told stories have given evidence to police about them so WWE is basically waiting for the outcome of that to move. And with some looking to their lawyers, it seems like something that might take a while to come from potentially. On the flip side, I would have at least seen more suspensions as this stuff begins, especially those who’ve been publicly accused since many of them are, as of right now, still being paid by WWE and you’d think they would want to avoid that scenario right now. I think the problem with suspensions right now is that they would come off really cheap. The UK talents aren't working now anyway so it's not like it's going to make a difference and I think people will see through that. The only ones they actually can suspend and have it mean anything are Dream and Riddle. Dream honestly has enough out there that I think suspending him is something they need to do. Riddle is tricker, I think, because it's so far just one person accusing him and he and his lawyer, whatever we may think of him, have put out a statement saying something else has been happening and if they've actually shown the proof they have of it to Vince and Hunter, I can see why they still aired Riddle's match and segment on Smackdown. So I think it really comes down to the NXT: UK talent effectively being suspended already. I really can see a lot of people just seeing suspensions as a token gesture.
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Post by eJm on Jun 20, 2020 20:02:57 GMT -5
My theory is that, for the UK talents at least, there is a police investigation starting up and many people who’ve told stories have given evidence to police about them so WWE is basically waiting for the outcome of that to move. And with some looking to their lawyers, it seems like something that might take a while to come from potentially. On the flip side, I would have at least seen more suspensions as this stuff begins, especially those who’ve been publicly accused since many of them are, as of right now, still being paid by WWE and you’d think they would want to avoid that scenario right now. I think the problem with suspensions right now is that they would come off really cheap. The UK talents aren't working now anyway so it's not like it's going to make a difference and I think people will see through that. The only ones they actually can suspend and have it mean anything are Dream and Riddle. Dream honestly has enough out there that I think suspending him is something they need to do. Riddle is tricker, I think, because it's so far just one person accusing him and he and his lawyer, whatever we may think of him, have put out a statement saying something else has been happening and if they've actually shown the proof they have of it to Vince and Hunter, I can see why they still aired Riddle's match and segment on Smackdown. So I think it really comes down to the NXT: UK talent effectively being suspended already. I really can see a lot of people just seeing suspensions as a token gesture. That’s true too. And for all we know, they’re on the government’s furlough scheme anyway so they might be “off the books” at present to do anything with as well.
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