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Post by toodarkmark on Aug 14, 2020 9:21:14 GMT -5
I really really really hope this bites this company so hard in the ass. Damage done. Now hopefully there’s fallout. There won't be. WWE doesn't care. Their fans don't care. Maybe if Snickers says something.
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Post by ronin705 on Aug 14, 2020 9:42:22 GMT -5
If they didn't cover their asses in his regard, it's on them 🤷🏿♂️ like I said due diligence is necessary, informing us is not.
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Post by Fade on Aug 14, 2020 10:17:47 GMT -5
Triple H hears your complaining; Triple H don’t care.
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Post by Legion on Aug 14, 2020 11:59:42 GMT -5
Do we know if there has been any investigation of this situation? I dont mean a WWE one, I mean an actual legal one, with police and lawyers? Has Dream been charged with anything? I mean, I dont really want to see him just based on the possibility, but at what point can WWE keep him off screen if a) there has been a criminal investigation and he was cleared, or at least not charged b) there hasnt, so they take action without proof and leave themselves open to legal action from Dream for doing so without any proof? Just playing Devil's advocate, but WWE is a legally bound company, they can't act on morality without meeting legal responsibilities, which are not going to be clear cut. They have kept plenty of talent off screen at home for no other reason than they can't think of something for them to do. Or They annoyed Vince in an asinine way. They can keep whoever they want off screen as long as they like for any reason. Sure, fair enough. Though I do still want to know if there has been a formal allegation/police involvement, and if not, why not. I'm happy to never see Dream again because I do think the evidence suggests he definitely tried to groom some underage teens, but I want to see him punished properly if he is properly guilty - and that is also the only way WWE is going to acknowledge it - which I also want.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Aug 14, 2020 12:18:55 GMT -5
Welp there goes my hope that WWE wouldn't risk embarrassing themselves if they didn't have this handled quietly.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Aug 14, 2020 12:20:58 GMT -5
WWE deserves to get raked over the coals by their apparent ignorance over Patrick Clark’s vile actions.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Aug 14, 2020 12:26:19 GMT -5
WWE deserves to get raked over the coals by their apparent ignorance over Patrick Clark’s vile actions. Calling it ignorance is a fallacy. They know what happened. That's why they took him off TV. They think the heat died so they brought him back.
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Aug 14, 2020 12:37:27 GMT -5
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Post by joeiscool on Aug 14, 2020 12:51:15 GMT -5
They have kept plenty of talent off screen at home for no other reason than they can't think of something for them to do. Or They annoyed Vince in an asinine way. They can keep whoever they want off screen as long as they like for any reason. Sure, fair enough. Though I do still want to know if there has been a formal allegation/police involvement, and if not, why not. As far as I can tell no. There probably will not be any investigation unless one of the victims goes to the police. And I hate to be that guy but there is a difference between what we think is moral and what is legal.. This specific person was 16 when Dream was 19. In a lot of states that is a legal relationship.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 14, 2020 12:57:43 GMT -5
Sure, fair enough. Though I do still want to know if there has been a formal allegation/police involvement, and if not, why not. As far as I can tell no. There probably will not be any investigation unless one of the victims goes to the police. And I hate to be that guy but there is a difference between what we think is moral and what is legal.. This specific person was 16 when Dream was 19. In a lot of states that is a legal relationship. If he said or implied something like the I can get you into WWE as he the guy said makes it way murkier on the legal stand point.
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Post by joeiscool on Aug 14, 2020 13:04:35 GMT -5
As far as I can tell no. There probably will not be any investigation unless one of the victims goes to the police. And I hate to be that guy but there is a difference between what we think is moral and what is legal.. This specific person was 16 when Dream was 19. In a lot of states that is a legal relationship. If he said or implied something like the I can get you into WWE as he the guy said makes it way murkier on the legal stand point. Not really... Unless it was actual sex for a wwe position there are currently no laws against a person lobbying to get their "friend/boy friend" into a job at the place they work. p/s I am not trying to advocate for or against Dream here. I'm just explaining why there probably never will be a legal investigation into dreams actions.
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on Aug 14, 2020 13:18:52 GMT -5
If they didn't cover their asses in his regard, it's on them 🤷🏿♂️ like I said due diligence is necessary, informing us is not. No, actually the opposite is true.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 13:50:07 GMT -5
I am all about the presumption of innocence, and have generally been uncomfortable when people's livelihoods have been affected due to largely unsubstantiated, hearsay allegations. That said, seriously f*** WWE, here.
How in the world did Gallagher get released so quickly and decisively after what seemed to be a cursory investigation, but Dream is back on TV? The allegations against Dream are probably even worse, and they honestly seem MORE substantiated than the ones levied against Gallagher. Just hypocritical and ridiculous, honestly.
I truly loathe everything about WWE currently, and I hate it because it was such a big part of my childhood. But I'm seriously just ready to see it crash and burn. It's a shitty company which puts out a shitty product and is run by terrible people.
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Post by ronin705 on Aug 14, 2020 13:52:28 GMT -5
If they didn't cover their asses in his regard, it's on them 🤷🏿♂️ like I said due diligence is necessary, informing us is not. No, actually the opposite is true. So, DONT thoroughly investigate him, but tell us?? Cuz that's the opposite I'm proposing
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Post by nisidhe on Aug 14, 2020 14:32:50 GMT -5
I'm not entirely sure that Velveteen Dream came back to be put over. Dream has become a problem, one that threatens to taint the entire locker room through the roster's inability (or unwillingness) to refuse to work with him. HHH knows he can't really afford to risk further damaging morale among the talent. Dream is no longer what's best for business.
There are precedents for problematic superstars to suffer greatly on TV - Orlando Jordan lost his US title and subsequent rematches in rather rapid fashion (25.5 seconds, if memory serves, from opening bell to tapout.) JBL took his licks from Blue Meanie and the rest after what he did with Meanie.
Might want to get your drinks ready and bathroom break in before the Dream/Balor match. I suspect it could be one of those matches.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Aug 14, 2020 14:37:08 GMT -5
I'm not entirely sure that Velveteen Dream came back to be put over. Dream has become a problem, one that threatens to taint the entire locker room through the roster's inability (or unwillingness) to refuse to work with him. HHH knows he can't really afford to risk further damaging morale among the talent. Dream is no longer what's best for business. There are precedents for problematic superstars to suffer greatly on TV - Orlando Jordan lost his US title and subsequent rematches in rather rapid fashion (25.5 seconds, if memory serves, from opening bell to tapout.) JBL took his licks from Blue Meanie and the rest after what he did with Meanie. Might want to get your drinks ready and bathroom break in before the Dream/Balor match. I suspect it could be one of those matches. I don't know if that still a good idea for WWE to even go that route now.
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Post by eJm on Aug 14, 2020 14:43:26 GMT -5
I'm not entirely sure that Velveteen Dream came back to be put over. Dream has become a problem, one that threatens to taint the entire locker room through the roster's inability (or unwillingness) to refuse to work with him. HHH knows he can't really afford to risk further damaging morale among the talent. Dream is no longer what's best for business. There are precedents for problematic superstars to suffer greatly on TV - Orlando Jordan lost his US title and subsequent rematches in rather rapid fashion (25.5 seconds, if memory serves, from opening bell to tapout.) JBL took his licks from Blue Meanie and the rest after what he did with Meanie. Might want to get your drinks ready and bathroom break in before the Dream/Balor match. I suspect it could be one of those matches. So one of the other things to come out of the SpeakingOut movement was how people were abused not just outside the ring but treated like crap in the ring to send a message or teach a lesson. Most happened in schools but some happened at actual shows, small shows but they still happened on shows. Some schools have even put it in their own guidelines that anything like this will not be encouraged and that said attitude can be harmful to a student’s progress as a wrestler. To put it even more simply; this is a bad f***ing idea in so many ways.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 14:44:39 GMT -5
I don't see why they brought him back for that match either ... they couldn't throw any other midcarder they had into the random triple threat? Assuming Ciampa isn't cleared or whatever, Drake Maverick and Killian Dain were right there, doing basically nothing except being used for fodder on the show. Either of them would have worked and Maverick had built in history with Kushida in three way matches. But WWE stopped giving a shit about Maverick right after their good self pat on the back PR storyline ended with him, which didn't surprise me in the slightest... Wait, they did? Aw, man...
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Post by 111111 on Aug 14, 2020 15:11:34 GMT -5
The sad thing is there are probably as many if not more fans giving dream the benefit of the doubt/making excuses on social media than questioning why he is still on the show.
And this is how they get away with it.
One point I saw recently brought up was that this very company managed to get a lot of its fans to think the widow of the man they killed through negligence was the bad guy for not wanting him to go in their imaginary hall of fame for all these years. Wresting fans need to stop being worked by dodgy c***s.
Nothing Vince McMahon or WWE have ever done suggests they are good people with any morals or values.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Aug 14, 2020 15:36:03 GMT -5
For real, give him the boot. This is going to keep following them around as long as he’s there and nobody is worth the long-term investment for that sort of trouble.
I swear the WWE flocks to PR disasters like moths to a flame.
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