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Post by Glitch on Sept 7, 2020 4:19:16 GMT -5
Now I'm wondering how hes gonna win the Tnt belt. I'm assuming its from whoever beats Brodie Lee for it.
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on Sept 7, 2020 4:25:00 GMT -5
Was it better than the match against Cody? Wish he had won, but kinda get AEW's thinking of making first title reigns a bit longer. Infinitely better than the match with Cody. At the time i thought that match's disappointing quality was down to MJF being out of place that high on the card but now, seeing him put on a great outing vs Jungle Boy at DON and now last night's performance, I'm gonna put the blame retroactively on Cody. The match with Cody had weird vibes from a bad intro (both song and tattoo) to a story that makes sense when you think about it but did not fit with what the crowd expected or wanted (Cody treated the match like a victory lap and lost because of it, rather than Cody finally getting his hands on the hated heel and killing him), both of which were Cody choices so I feel like its fair.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 7, 2020 17:31:59 GMT -5
I mean, honestly, I f***ing hate MJF. Not like a heel. I do not enjoy watching the character.
I also, still maintain, that the gimmick itself is still an immature, midcard gimmick that hasn't levelled up to its main event form.
I'm also sick of Moxley as champion and think he's got nothing interesting to do or say.
That said...
...that match was extraordinary. Honestly, just on the basis of the match itself, great storytelling, although I'm not a fan of Moxley... well, cheating to win.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 17:35:46 GMT -5
although I'm not a fan of Moxley... well, cheating to win. Even though I think Mox retaining was a bad idea, I think that part was brilliant. MJF's constantly been doing underhanded shit and it finally caught up to him, it showed Mox isn't an idiot who'll pass on an opportunity if he gets it out of some misplaced honor, and it made MJF look great in that, yes, Mox did need to use his killshot to bring him down after all. Plus it works perfectly in service of MJF's gimmick for him to be able to bitch that per the rules of the match he should now be champion, in spite of how he was perfectly willing to cheat in his own right.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 7, 2020 17:43:49 GMT -5
although I'm not a fan of Moxley... well, cheating to win. Even though I think Mox retaining was a bad idea, I think that part was brilliant. MJF's constantly been doing underhanded shit and it finally caught up to him, it showed Mox isn't an idiot who'll pass on an opportunity if he gets it out of some misplaced honor, and it made MJF look great in that, yes, Mox did need to use his killshot to bring him down after all. Plus it works perfectly in service of MJF's gimmick for him to be able to bitch that per the rules of the match he should now be champion, in spite of how he was perfectly willing to cheat in his own right. I mean, this is all a personal taste thing. I'm not a fan of a heel ever being correct in this kind of scenario. Lots of people like the 'heel who is right, but a dick about it' thing but I have always hated that. I don't want to boo the guy I might agree with!
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Post by Fake Jesus on Sept 8, 2020 8:42:00 GMT -5
Even though I think Mox retaining was a bad idea, I think that part was brilliant. MJF's constantly been doing underhanded shit and it finally caught up to him, it showed Mox isn't an idiot who'll pass on an opportunity if he gets it out of some misplaced honor, and it made MJF look great in that, yes, Mox did need to use his killshot to bring him down after all. Plus it works perfectly in service of MJF's gimmick for him to be able to bitch that per the rules of the match he should now be champion, in spite of how he was perfectly willing to cheat in his own right. I mean, this is all a personal taste thing. I'm not a fan of a heel ever being correct in this kind of scenario. Lots of people like the 'heel who is right, but a dick about it' thing but I have always hated that. I don't want to boo the guy I might agree with! I don't see MJF as being "right" about anything in this context. The Moxley-needs-the-paradigm-shift angle was entirely invented and pushed by MJF. Moxley played along, but I don't think he was ever portrayed as particularly caring about it. MJF basically invented a fake narrative and then got hoisted by his own petard as he tried to cheat, rather than this being some deep question about the versatility of Moxley as a wrestler imo
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 8, 2020 9:02:21 GMT -5
I mean, this is all a personal taste thing. I'm not a fan of a heel ever being correct in this kind of scenario. Lots of people like the 'heel who is right, but a dick about it' thing but I have always hated that. I don't want to boo the guy I might agree with! I don't see MJF as being "right" about anything in this context. The Moxley-needs-the-paradigm-shift angle was entirely invented and pushed by MJF. Moxley played along, but I don't think he was ever portrayed as particularly caring about it. MJF basically invented a fake narrative and then got hoisted by his own petard as he tried to cheat, rather than this being some deep question about the versatility of Moxley as a wrestler imo You know, you make a great point. I didn't see much of the build. This isn't really an example of that kind of angle, which I stand by my dislike for.
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Post by markymark on Sept 12, 2020 12:18:14 GMT -5
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 12, 2020 21:14:44 GMT -5
Given the buyrate, I honestly wonder how quickly AEW's going to overtake TNA's lifetime PPV numbers. Granted, they only do four a year, and TNA had a long run of them, particularly if we're also counting the PPVs they did before they moved to a normal model, but the top PPVs they sold still did less than any of AEW's did, and the dropoff between TNA's top ones and the rest is very steep.
So, I could see it happening in only a couple of years at this rate, and I say that more as a testament to AEW and not an indictment of TNA, even if it does highlight how even Spike era TNA never could get the revenue stream together they needed.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 14, 2020 17:06:22 GMT -5
Was it better than the match against Cody? Wish he had won, but kinda get AEW's thinking of making first title reigns a bit longer. Gotta say, a much superior match to the Cody one. I don't know what it is about MJF that still screams midcard to me.
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