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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 2, 2022 9:04:06 GMT -5
It was an entertaining show but they got a lot of facts wrong and got absolutely worked by a bunch of wrestlers. Destroying several wrestlers' careers along the way - which, you know, those bits were typically just accurate representations of wrestlers doing horrible things - was always going to cut off their interview sources eventually The Ric Flair thing I think is what did them in on top of that whole episode. It wasn't even a secret about him being horrible on the plane ride, but they mainstreamed it and tried to throw out every last excruciating detail, that WWE had to wipe him from their legacy banks for awhile, that Car Shield who used them for their entire brand had to cut him as their commercials were running on nationwide TV, and AEW seemingly had to pivot Andrade's entire run in the company as it seemed like they were prepping Ric to come in and manage him within the next few weeks at that time, that one I don't think was ever confirmed but it sure felt like it. That whole episode and it felt like everyone involved in it, felt burnt by them. Stuff like that's probably gonna railroad you with a bunch of people you had it in good with before, on top of other stuff as you said they either got wrong with the stories, or others alleged they took snippets of their interviews to make them look bad, or in other cases get worked into a shoot brother jack dude. Some of their stuff was really well done and spot on, but others felt like they didn't either do enough research, or dug themselves too deep in a hole. Was probably the best time to move on to something different instead of potentially doing another story that could have made that worse.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on May 2, 2022 10:06:04 GMT -5
It was an entertaining show but they got a lot of facts wrong and got absolutely worked by a bunch of wrestlers. Destroying several wrestlers' careers along the way - which, you know, those bits were typically just accurate representations of wrestlers doing horrible things - was always going to cut off their interview sources eventually For real. If you're going to be a platform for exposing dirt that uses first-hand sources, you need to be prepared for pushback from those sources if you dig too deep. Also, they were absurdly wrong on a few things to the point that I'm kind of shocked that they didn't get a C&D from Vince.
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Post by cornettesracket on May 2, 2022 10:15:44 GMT -5
I liked it but yeah as others have said they got stuff wrong and conflated stuff together. The also had a change to do a much better job on the Snuka episode of digging down into it more. Also the police chief who came across shady AF. And yeah the plane ride from hell wasn’t a story that was hidden but if they focused on flair when it wasn’t just him who acted like an idiot.
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Post by jason1980s on May 2, 2022 11:35:40 GMT -5
I get it sucks if a show is cutting and splicing quotes to make them sound more salacious but guys like RVD, Jim Ross and Tommy said what they said. Are the show guys asking them innocent questions not even related to the plane ride and their responses are being put in the Plane Ride episode? I doubt it. What it comes down to is the "old boys network" and "respect the business" and ultimately a "no snitching" edict. These guys would rather protect a guy like Flair than lose their placement in wrestling where they get that old school BS "respect" from the boys.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 2, 2022 12:08:06 GMT -5
The 3rd season felt like a shift and I didn’t really enjoy it as much as the first two. Making Dustin to be some protector in the plane ride episode, acting like Nick Gage is a misunderstood hero. Weird shit.
I dunno. I’m not too upset to hear it’s cancelled.
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 2, 2022 12:09:54 GMT -5
The 3rd season felt like a shift and I didn’t really enjoy it as much as the first two. Making Dustin to be some protector in the plane ride episode, acting like Nick Gage is a misunderstood hero. Weird shit. I dunno. I’m not too upset to hear it’s cancelled. On the Nick Gage episode. I'm glad Gage straightened his life our, but yeah it felt like too much of people fanboying for him and brushing off some stuff he did. Like guy intentionally hurt a lot of people on shows when he was angry and people shrugged it off as him just being Nick
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 2, 2022 12:14:29 GMT -5
The 3rd season felt like a shift and I didn’t really enjoy it as much as the first two. Making Dustin to be some protector in the plane ride episode, acting like Nick Gage is a misunderstood hero. Weird shit. I dunno. I’m not too upset to hear it’s cancelled. On the Nick Gage episode. I'm glad Gage straightened his life our, but yeah it felt like too much of people fanboying for him and brushing off some stuff he did. Like guy intentionally hurt a lot of people on shows when he was angry and people shrugged it off as him just being Nick And robbed a bank at gunpoint. But you know ahhhh that’s just Nick! He’s so wacky! But it’s all slow mo and dramatic music when JR doesn’t have an answer for why Flair wasn’t fired. Doesn’t match up
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Post by fw91 on May 2, 2022 12:28:45 GMT -5
I think that the cancellation is primarily due to wrestlers being scared off to participate in interviews and running out of material. We got most of the "juicy" stories that we wanted, at least imo.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 2, 2022 12:52:38 GMT -5
And again for as researched as it was... they continually kept pushing things like Vince and Linda were on board when it has always been reported that no they weren't. It's easy enough to go for if they misreport something like that which was easily verifiable... what else did they misreport? I dunno about misreport but there were a couple episodes they somewhat pushed a narrative that Vince was behind something he really didn't have much to do with (one being the UWF episode and at least early on in the episode they made it seem like Vince was more part of the UWF creation than he actually was) Aside from that? I dunno about anything outwardly misreported just that several wrestlers felt the editing changed the narrative of what they were saying. Yeah, they loved trying to shoe horn Vince into things... they mentioned Vince a few times in the UWF when... yeah he had nothing or very little to do with it. (they also tried to make it sound like the UWF was more of a threat to the WWE than it was.) I also remember him being brought up a few times in the Dino Bravo episode where he reallly shouldn't have either... They also pushed the Doctor D was Blackballed by Vince narrative... which is just inherently false. Vince did not have anywhere near the power to do that... there are people in wrestling NOW that would hire someone just because they pissed off Vince let alone back in the 80s... he floated around the territories having brief stints just about everywhere he went because the truth is, Doctor D's problem was he was an asshole and no one wanted to deal with him. I've said it before Vince is enough of an asshole with stuff he has done... you don't need to go inventing more.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 2, 2022 13:00:45 GMT -5
The 3rd season felt like a shift and I didn’t really enjoy it as much as the first two. Making Dustin to be some protector in the plane ride episode, acting like Nick Gage is a misunderstood hero. Weird shit. I dunno. I’m not too upset to hear it’s cancelled. On the Nick Gage episode. I'm glad Gage straightened his life our, but yeah it felt like too much of people fanboying for him and brushing off some stuff he did. Like guy intentionally hurt a lot of people on shows when he was angry and people shrugged it off as him just being Nick The New Jack episode felt like that to me, too, honestly.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 2, 2022 13:04:01 GMT -5
On the Nick Gage episode. I'm glad Gage straightened his life our, but yeah it felt like too much of people fanboying for him and brushing off some stuff he did. Like guy intentionally hurt a lot of people on shows when he was angry and people shrugged it off as him just being Nick The New Jack episode felt like that to me, too, honestly. It's weird that Jim Cornette of all people was the only one in that episode who seemed to have any common sense
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Post by ISO Mid Thigh Pull on May 2, 2022 13:11:09 GMT -5
Sadly kind of expected this to happen. For as much as I enjoyed the show, they went all the way in on ruffling feathers in the last season and were Way too happy to leave out crucial info for the sake of the episode's narrative or just misrepresent what dudes were saying altogether.
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Post by wildojinx on May 2, 2022 13:15:38 GMT -5
I think that Vice really just wanted another True Crime show, admittedly some episodes definitely did qualify (Bravo, Johnny K9, New Jack and Nick Gage to a lesser extent, and of course, Benoit).
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 2, 2022 13:49:13 GMT -5
On the Nick Gage episode. I'm glad Gage straightened his life our, but yeah it felt like too much of people fanboying for him and brushing off some stuff he did. Like guy intentionally hurt a lot of people on shows when he was angry and people shrugged it off as him just being Nick The New Jack episode felt like that to me, too, honestly. Yep too much glossing over crappy stuff he did as well
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 2, 2022 13:50:51 GMT -5
I dunno about misreport but there were a couple episodes they somewhat pushed a narrative that Vince was behind something he really didn't have much to do with (one being the UWF episode and at least early on in the episode they made it seem like Vince was more part of the UWF creation than he actually was) Aside from that? I dunno about anything outwardly misreported just that several wrestlers felt the editing changed the narrative of what they were saying. Yeah, they loved trying to shoe horn Vince into things... they mentioned Vince a few times in the UWF when... yeah he had nothing or very little to do with it. (they also tried to make it sound like the UWF was more of a threat to the WWE than it was.) I also remember him being brought up a few times in the Dino Bravo episode where he reallly shouldn't have either... They also pushed the Doctor D was Blackballed by Vince narrative... which is just inherently false. Vince did not have anywhere near the power to do that... there are people in wrestling NOW that would hire someone just because they pissed off Vince let alone back in the 80s... he floated around the territories having brief stints just about everywhere he went because the truth is, Doctor D's problem was he was an asshole and no one wanted to deal with him. I've said it before Vince is enough of an asshole with stuff he has done... you don't need to go inventing more. Yep and don't get me wrong I found DSOTR very interesting and informative but doesn't mean everything is 100 percent true either, or doesn't fit a narrative. Like people close to the Hart's refused to do the Dynamite episode because they didn't want to piss off Bret who was furious with the Screw job episode
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 2, 2022 14:06:54 GMT -5
On the Nick Gage episode. I'm glad Gage straightened his life our, but yeah it felt like too much of people fanboying for him and brushing off some stuff he did. Like guy intentionally hurt a lot of people on shows when he was angry and people shrugged it off as him just being Nick The New Jack episode felt like that to me, too, honestly. Yeah, DSotR airs after AEW here in Canada so I re-watched the New Jack episode last week. Yikes, they give him a free pass on a lot of shit in that episode. He’s constantly talking about being coked out of his mind and I don’t think they called him out on that once
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Post by Big BosskMan on May 2, 2022 14:41:16 GMT -5
And in another generation, there'll be a Dark Side of the Ring.... on Dark Side of the Ring.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on May 2, 2022 15:29:26 GMT -5
Somewhere in New Jersey, Tammy Sytch breathes a huge sigh of relief that would not pass a breathalyzer test.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on May 2, 2022 17:24:30 GMT -5
The claims of it being cancelled may have been overblown by the sound of it.
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Post by Saiyanic Panic on May 2, 2022 17:44:32 GMT -5
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