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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jan 10, 2021 18:59:14 GMT -5
CHIKARA is dead so it would prevent Quack from bringing it back. You'd have to pay him though so ehhhhhh
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Post by thirteen3 on Jan 10, 2021 18:59:15 GMT -5
Not if it involves hiring Quack.
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Jan 10, 2021 19:59:19 GMT -5
What you take from Chikara: Quite a bit of concepts. The King of Trios, Tag World Grand Prix, La Loteria Lethal, Rey de Voladores. The Young Lions Cup could be a great title on Dark, and the possibility of the Cibernetico as well.
Talent that feel ready for a bigger stage. I’m an unashamed Solo Darling mark and feel she’d be excellent if given time on the main shows. The Whisper would be fantastic. Matt Makowski, Hallowicked, Boomer Hatfield and Molly McCoy, who would be an excellent representation for non binary folks out there. Chikara had talent, it’s a matter of giving them the opportunity to grow.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 10, 2021 20:39:22 GMT -5
What you take from Chikara: Quite a bit of concepts. The King of Trios, Tag World Grand Prix, La Loteria Lethal, Rey de Voladores. The Young Lions Cup could be a great title on Dark, and the possibility of the Cibernetico as well. Talent that feel ready for a bigger stage. I’m an unashamed Solo Darling mark and feel she’d be excellent if given time on the main shows. The Whisper would be fantastic. Matt Makowski, Hallowicked, Boomer Hatfield and Molly McCoy, who would be an excellent representation for non binary folks out there. Chikara had talent, it’s a matter of giving them the opportunity to grow. What you leave: the memories alone Chikara was weird, because there were always, uh, not-great wrestlers... but there were also good wrestlers who just didn't work anywhere else. But I was kinda expecting to see almost everyone drop off the face of the earth, and it hasn't happened. Since its death, there's definitely more people who (at least to me) originated in Chikara who are going on to be real wrestlers who work a decent amount: Boomer, McCoy, Devantes, Makowski, Huckabee, AVGPW, BLANK, Still Life With Apricots and Pears, Faraday/Wells/Ibanez, Callux, Hermit Crab and Cajun Crawdad. A decent number of those people are AEW-worthy now, and for others it'll just take a year or two of experience the way they're going and it's a no-brainer. Still wonder what the hell ever happened to Angelosetti, though. Dude was real good.
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Post by eJm on Jan 10, 2021 20:41:50 GMT -5
Still wonder what the hell ever happened to Angelosetti, though. Dude was real good. Still recovering from the injury he got in 2019(?) as far as I know. Probably doesn’t really make much sense to try and get work during a pandemic either. It’s sort of like the situation with Andrew Everett. Like, he’s likely good now but if there’s no reason to wrestle during a pandemic, he won’t.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 10, 2021 20:42:39 GMT -5
Still wonder what the hell ever happened to Angelosetti, though. Dude was real good. Still recovering from the injury he got in 2019(?) as far as I know. Probably doesn’t really make much sense to try and get work during a pandemic either. that's what I'm guessing happened to most of the CHIKARA people that kinda vanished since last year...
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 10, 2021 22:02:54 GMT -5
Still wonder what the hell ever happened to Angelosetti, though. Dude was real good. Still recovering from the injury he got in 2019(?) as far as I know. Probably doesn’t really make much sense to try and get work during a pandemic either. It’s sort of like the situation with Andrew Everett. Like, he’s likely good now but if there’s no reason to wrestle during a pandemic, he won’t. That injury was kayfabe, right?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 10, 2021 23:26:43 GMT -5
On the subject of CHIKARA, can we give Ultramantis Black the Eddie Kingston chance? Whether as a wrestler, manager, commentator, or all of the above... dude's a character you will immediately gravitate towards. He's money and always has been.
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Post by Larryhausen on Jan 11, 2021 0:32:59 GMT -5
On the subject of CHIKARA, can we give Ultramantis Black the Eddie Kingston chance? Whether as a wrestler, manager, commentator, or all of the above... dude's a character you will immediately gravitate towards. He's money and always has been. Dude is literally the entire reason I got into Chikara. He seems focused on music and the occasional death match these days, but I 100% second this idea.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Jan 11, 2021 2:16:54 GMT -5
On the subject of CHIKARA, can we give Ultramantis Black the Eddie Kingston chance? Whether as a wrestler, manager, commentator, or all of the above... dude's a character you will immediately gravitate towards. He's money and always has been. While we're at it; Still Life, and Dasher Hatfield.
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Post by Rave on Jan 11, 2021 2:29:27 GMT -5
Still wonder what the hell ever happened to Angelosetti, though. Dude was real good. Still recovering from the injury he got in 2019(?) as far as I know. Probably doesn’t really make much sense to try and get work during a pandemic either. It’s sort of like the situation with Andrew Everett. Like, he’s likely good now but if there’s no reason to wrestle during a pandemic, he won’t. Deleted my other post as I was able to clear up the Google-Fu confusion. The quote below is straight from Dasher himself via an interview he did last year, and prob'ly badly translated. solowrestling.mundodeportivo.com/new/94763-entrevista-a-very-good-professional-wrestler
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Post by Sparvid on Jan 11, 2021 3:00:38 GMT -5
Speaking of CHIKARA, what's the deal with the names and gimmicks? I always heard that Quack was very strict about him owning the rights or whatever, but while some wrestlers have changed their names recently, I noticed that for example Boomer and Molly still wrestle under those names/gimmicks. So did Quack stop caring about that and let anyone keep using their name? Although, I would guess that some people would want to change their name either way, even if they had the choice to keep their old one, to break off from that company as much as possible.
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Post by mattyy on Jan 11, 2021 3:06:36 GMT -5
Speaking of CHIKARA, what's the deal with the names and gimmicks? I always heard that Quack was very strict about him owning the rights or whatever, but while some wrestlers have changed their names recently, I noticed that for example Boomer and Molly still wrestle under those names/gimmicks. So did Quack stop caring about that and let anyone keep using their name? Although, I would guess that some people would want to change their name either way, even if they had the choice to keep their old one, to break off from that company as much as possible. adding to this: is CHIKARA for sure done? I feel like I remember Quackenbush saying that he was still running the WrestleFactory after that really cringey "Cancel Culture" video he put out. I could see him abandoning all the characters and start fresh if he wanted to reset CHIKARA, since I know a lot of their roster had no desire to work there.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 11, 2021 3:31:46 GMT -5
Speaking of CHIKARA, what's the deal with the names and gimmicks? I always heard that Quack was very strict about him owning the rights or whatever, but while some wrestlers have changed their names recently, I noticed that for example Boomer and Molly still wrestle under those names/gimmicks. So did Quack stop caring about that and let anyone keep using their name? Although, I would guess that some people would want to change their name either way, even if they had the choice to keep their old one, to break off from that company as much as possible. adding to this: is CHIKARA for sure done? I feel like I remember Quackenbush saying that he was still running the WrestleFactory after that really cringey "Cancel Culture" video he put out. I could see him abandoning all the characters and start fresh if he wanted to reset CHIKARA, since I know a lot of their roster had no desire to work there. I feel like any attempt to bring CHIKARA back will fail hard, CHIKARA as a whole needs a spiritual successor like Excellence Pro, a Quackless one, not run by him. As for characters, I think he only fully trademarked Jervis Cottonbelly, because he had a very bad falling out with Condron, wrestlers have since used their names, gimmicks, and otherwise outside of the promotion unless they themselves have wanted to change them or changed their gimmicks to fit character evolution. With CHIKARA in the ground as it is, I don't think Quack could do much, the other thing about him is he is not financially stable, and that's very much due to CHIKARA and his decisions, so trademarking and even going after someone legally I honestly don't know if that's a feasible venture for him or if he'd blow smoke about it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 11, 2021 3:43:27 GMT -5
Still recovering from the injury he got in 2019(?) as far as I know. Probably doesn’t really make much sense to try and get work during a pandemic either. It’s sort of like the situation with Andrew Everett. Like, he’s likely good now but if there’s no reason to wrestle during a pandemic, he won’t. Deleted my other post as I was able to clear up the Google-Fu confusion. The quote below is straight from Dasher himself via an interview he did last year, and prob'ly badly translated. solowrestling.mundodeportivo.com/new/94763-entrevista-a-very-good-professional-wrestlerIt'd be a shame because Mark was amazing, but that injury was bad, wasn't it like his hip and leg? I could see why that'd kill your confidence as an athletic power wrestler as he was. I hope he comes back and has just taken time off to heal but if not it happens As for some others... I know Injuries and a bout with Cancer derailed Tim Donst for a bit too but he's since been back mainly for AIW. Wicked, Frightmare, and Mantis normally hang around the other Indies in PA like Excellence and LVAC's Wrestling Promotion. Ophidian retired out of nowhere or he WOULD be somewhere I would about guarantee it. Really shocked Dasher hasn't been given a look by anyone yet, that guy seems like he's at his peak right now and has always been solid. Jigsaw's no spring chicken anymore (Not old and broken down either) but he's another I'm shocked hasn't gotten an AEW DARK look at least just off of how many people he knows and again his in ring work always being very solid. Louie's gotten a plethora of DARK squashes to the point I'm wondering if they've reached out to Obariyon for a Batiri tryout or not, because Louie was the one who I believe retired for a year or two and has recently made the resurgance. The Batiri's twitter is still active and they've even dropped hints about AEW recently.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 11, 2021 4:31:46 GMT -5
It'd be a shame because Mark was amazing, but that injury was bad, wasn't it like his hip and leg? I could see why that'd kill your confidence as an athletic power wrestler as he was. I hope he comes back and has just taken time off to heal but if not it happens As for some others... I know Injuries and a bout with Cancer derailed Tim Donst for a bit too but he's since been back mainly for AIW. Wicked, Frightmare, and Mantis normally hang around the other Indies in PA like Excellence and LVAC's Wrestling Promotion. Ophidian retired out of nowhere or he WOULD be somewhere I would about guarantee it. Really shocked Dasher hasn't been given a look by anyone yet, that guy seems like he's at his peak right now and has always been solid. Jigsaw's no spring chicken anymore (Not old and broken down either) but he's another I'm shocked hasn't gotten an AEW DARK look at least just off of how many people he knows and again his in ring work always being very solid. Louie's gotten a plethora of DARK squashes to the point I'm wondering if they've reached out to Obariyon for a Batiri tryout or not, because Louie was the one who I believe retired for a year or two and has recently made the resurgance. The Batiri's twitter is still active and they've even dropped hints about AEW recently. I was wondering about a lot of the chikara regulars that haven’t popped up elsewhere like Icarus completely went radio silent in like June. Wicked I know the story was wrestling was his side gig cause his real job was great.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 11, 2021 4:43:43 GMT -5
It'd be a shame because Mark was amazing, but that injury was bad, wasn't it like his hip and leg? I could see why that'd kill your confidence as an athletic power wrestler as he was. I hope he comes back and has just taken time off to heal but if not it happens As for some others... I know Injuries and a bout with Cancer derailed Tim Donst for a bit too but he's since been back mainly for AIW. Wicked, Frightmare, and Mantis normally hang around the other Indies in PA like Excellence and LVAC's Wrestling Promotion. Ophidian retired out of nowhere or he WOULD be somewhere I would about guarantee it. Really shocked Dasher hasn't been given a look by anyone yet, that guy seems like he's at his peak right now and has always been solid. Jigsaw's no spring chicken anymore (Not old and broken down either) but he's another I'm shocked hasn't gotten an AEW DARK look at least just off of how many people he knows and again his in ring work always being very solid. Louie's gotten a plethora of DARK squashes to the point I'm wondering if they've reached out to Obariyon for a Batiri tryout or not, because Louie was the one who I believe retired for a year or two and has recently made the resurgance. The Batiri's twitter is still active and they've even dropped hints about AEW recently. I was wondering about a lot of the chikara regulars that haven’t popped up elsewhere like Icarus completely went radio silent in like June. Wicked I know the story was wrestling was his side gig cause his real job was great. Icarus has allegations spring up about him when CHIKARA's news was coming out, but I couldn't tell you if they were true, there was no proof other than heresay, no text messages or anything. Otherwise I think Icarus has a construction job as his main thing, so I would assume he's another one that doesn't have to grind to make ends meet like Hallowicked because outside of CHIKARA Icarus has seldom been on other Indies period.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 11, 2021 4:55:46 GMT -5
I was wondering about a lot of the chikara regulars that haven’t popped up elsewhere like Icarus completely went radio silent in like June. Wicked I know the story was wrestling was his side gig cause his real job was great. Icarus has allegations spring up about him when CHIKARA's news was coming out, but I couldn't tell you if they were true, there was no proof other than heresay, no text messages or anything. Otherwise I think Icarus has a construction job as his main thing, so I would assume he's another one that doesn't have to grind to make ends meet like Hallowicked because outside of CHIKARA Icarus has seldom been on other Indies period. ah, I Hadn't heard about the allegations against Icarus or anything. Icarus just doing wrestling as the side hobby like Hallowicked wouldn't surprise me either since as you said he didn't ever really go anywhere else.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 11, 2021 7:25:35 GMT -5
Icarus has allegations spring up about him when CHIKARA's news was coming out, but I couldn't tell you if they were true, there was no proof other than heresay, no text messages or anything. Otherwise I think Icarus has a construction job as his main thing, so I would assume he's another one that doesn't have to grind to make ends meet like Hallowicked because outside of CHIKARA Icarus has seldom been on other Indies period. ah, I Hadn't heard about the allegations against Icarus or anything. Icarus just doing wrestling as the side hobby like Hallowicked wouldn't surprise me either since as you said he didn't ever really go anywhere else. Icarus was always a weird one, like even at the very height of his career when he was leading the charge to bring CHIKARA back he was nowhere else on the Indies in terms of a spotlight. The exact opposite was said about Chuck Taylor and Gargano who are now both in major promotions and were EVERYWHERE on the Indies. Gran Akuma I guess also didn't go around as much and is now kind of semi-retired, but both third members of F.I.S.T. (And then a former tag champ duo in Gargano and Taylor) really hit the big time. Funny enough many of the CdP challengrs and champions of that Era are all mainstream now (Gargano, Taylor, Young Bucks, 3.0/EverRise)
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Post by Macho Pichu on Jan 11, 2021 7:40:27 GMT -5
I'm a little torn. Chikara clips on YouTube were what brought me back into wrestling after a couple of years away from it. I got glimpses of a lot of the talents that are all over both AEW and WWE right now. But Quackenbush is a horrible person and isn't worth paying off.
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