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Post by HisRoyalGreeness on Jan 26, 2021 1:08:36 GMT -5
I’m watching the 88 Rumble with the Hogan/Andre contract signing. It’s not like Andre won the title and Dibiase came up after the fact trying to buy it. He had been saying for months that he was going to do exactly that. Hogan even went out of his way to make a public refusal of Dibiase’s offer. Dibiase was at the contract signing with a clearly vested interest. However, when his plan comes to fruition Tunney rules the title can not be bought. Why wasn’t this made clear to Dibiase from the jump?
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Post by lildude8218 on Jan 26, 2021 2:18:33 GMT -5
This is all in kayfabe and filling in blanks so bear with me. In the buildup to the initial offer they asked Jack Tunney about it and he said it was highly unusual and that he would have to check the Federation bylaws to see if it was even legal. Once Hogan turned DiBiase down it became a moot point.
Then during the buildup to the match Andre says he's going to give the belt to DiBiase after beating Hogan. There wasn't really a point in Tunney looking into the matter again unless Hogan actually lost, which at the time seemed unlikely since Hogan had already beaten Andre the year prior. The screwjob happens, Andre says he surrenders the belt to DiBiase. That's when Tunney went to the books.
He knew Hogan clearly got screwed but couldn't change it. He then found out that DiBiase couldn't just be given the title and had to win it so he negated that change. In the process he probably notices that at any time a champion could surrender the title so to kinda stick it to the heels he takes Andre's words at face value and declares the belt vacant.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 26, 2021 2:33:20 GMT -5
Or it could be a rich person thinking their wealth and power made them immune to consequences, even when told privately it won't work.
Then when he makes his big move it bites him in the ass.
Not like there aren't dozens of examples of that in real life.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Jan 26, 2021 13:02:26 GMT -5
This is not the first time someone tried this. In 1983, Larry Zbyszko tried to buy the NWA National title from Killer Brooks, and that also wasn't allowed. You think DiBiase would know that, this probably wouldn't work.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 26, 2021 13:25:22 GMT -5
To think of how different things may have been had DiBiase just paid Andre again to lay down and be pinned.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 26, 2021 13:35:52 GMT -5
Tunney was typically about responding to things more than about getting ahead of them. He ruled on the misdeed when it happened because his role in-universe was to be the pivot to plot actions rather than a proactive presence guiding the show. Most of his interventions were responses to things, he rarely took independent action to show up and pre-arrange things. It's more satisfying for the bad guy to try his evil plot and be thwarted than for him to just be told "No don't".
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Post by SirLucas on Jan 26, 2021 16:12:01 GMT -5
To think of how different things may have been had DiBiase just paid Andre again to lay down and be pinned. In hindsight, would it have been better if Ted Dibiase legit won the WWF title, then instead of a long ass tournament at WM, the main event is just Savage (challenger) vs. Dibiase (champion) for the title? Hogan would just go on to have a non-title grudge match with Andre. And the rest of the card would fall into place based on the angles at the time. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 26, 2021 16:41:18 GMT -5
To think of how different things may have been had DiBiase just paid Andre again to lay down and be pinned. In hindsight, would it have been better if Ted Dibiase legit won the WWF title, then instead of a long ass tournament at WM, the main event is just Savage (challenger) vs. Dibiase (champion) for the title? Hogan would just go on to have a non-title grudge match with Andre. And the rest of the card would fall into place based on the angles at the time. I’m one of the freaks who likes the tournament. Except Rude v. Jake. That was awful. |
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Post by horsemen4ever on Jan 26, 2021 18:32:12 GMT -5
Tunney was typically about responding to things more than about getting ahead of them. He ruled on the misdeed when it happened because his role in-universe was to be the pivot to plot actions rather than a proactive presence guiding the show. Most of his interventions were responses to things, he rarely took independent action to show up and pre-arrange things. It's more satisfying for the bad guy to try his evil plot and be thwarted than for him to just be told "No don't". Not to mention how many months of bias referring of Danny Davis that he just let go. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 26, 2021 18:44:29 GMT -5
Tunney was typically about responding to things more than about getting ahead of them. He ruled on the misdeed when it happened because his role in-universe was to be the pivot to plot actions rather than a proactive presence guiding the show. Most of his interventions were responses to things, he rarely took independent action to show up and pre-arrange things. It's more satisfying for the bad guy to try his evil plot and be thwarted than for him to just be told "No don't". Not to mention how many of bias referring of Danny Davis that he just let go. Danny Davis was suspended for life plus ten years.... |
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Post by Squirrel Master on Jan 26, 2021 18:47:52 GMT -5
Tunney was typically about responding to things more than about getting ahead of them. He ruled on the misdeed when it happened because his role in-universe was to be the pivot to plot actions rather than a proactive presence guiding the show. Most of his interventions were responses to things, he rarely took independent action to show up and pre-arrange things. It's more satisfying for the bad guy to try his evil plot and be thwarted than for him to just be told "No don't". This is exactly why Hologram Jack Tunney should suddenly appear, lay down the law right then and there, and get lost again. |
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Post by horsemen4ever on Jan 26, 2021 18:55:11 GMT -5
Not to mention how many of bias referring of Danny Davis that he just let go. Danny Davis was suspended for life plus ten years.... Yeah but it took him months for Tunney to do anything. It started in the fall of 86, that he was referring very bias for the heels, and he did nothing till February 1987. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 26, 2021 19:03:53 GMT -5
Danny Davis was suspended for life plus ten years.... Yeah but it took him months for Tunney to do anything. It started in the fall of 86, that he was referring very bias for the heels, and he did nothing till February 1987. Tunney was a proponent of the referees decision being final. |
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Post by jason1980s on Jan 26, 2021 19:25:51 GMT -5
In hindsight, would it have been better if Ted Dibiase legit won the WWF title, then instead of a long ass tournament at WM, the main event is just Savage (challenger) vs. Dibiase (champion) for the title? Hogan would just go on to have a non-title grudge match with Andre. And the rest of the card would fall into place based on the angles at the time. Unfortunately I think Wrestlemania IV would have been awful without the tournament. The tournament set up feuds rather than closed them out like some Wrestlemanias. Also putting the 20 battle royal participants into matches would have been bad too. Even though there was a lot of talent, most just didn't have any hot feuds to make the show interesting. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 8:13:03 GMT -5
I'm sorry but this is the greatest thing to ever be said on this forum or any other. I want Hologram Jack Tunney to flicker into existence at WrestleMania every year now. And next year, Hologram Bobby Heenan shows up at the commentator booth and yells "DID SHIEK MAKE IT TO WRESTLEMANIA 38?!" |
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Post by XIII on Jan 27, 2021 8:20:46 GMT -5
This is not the first time someone tried this. In 1983, Larry Zbyszko tried to buy the NWA National title from Killer Brooks, and that also wasn't allowed. You think DiBiase would know that, this probably wouldn't work. To be fair the Million Dollar Man thought that he could pull it off on account of Larry Zbyszko being the 10 Cent man at best. Dude sucked. |
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