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Post by Cyno on Feb 11, 2021 15:41:13 GMT -5
Yeah, with how many of Whedon's projects Summer Glau was involved with, I wouldn't be surprised if she's got some damning stories to tell.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 11, 2021 16:07:45 GMT -5
f*** Joss Whedon. Still no statement from Hannigan, Acker or Dushku. Nobody HAS to speak up or make a statement, but it's interesting that we got one from SMG before them. While on the subject, what about Jewel Saite or Summer Glau? He wouldn’t DARE with Gina Torres, but leopards don’t change their spots. If he pulled this on Buffy, Angel and Avengers, you bet your ass it was on Firefly too. I suspect that, like most bullies, he's got a favoured type of victim and method of attack. Michelle Trachtenburg's comment about "what went on behind the scenes" combined with Anthony Head's confession of his ignorance just tells me that Whedon doesn't openly bully people, he does it one-on-one, when there's nobody else around. In addition to Head, Alan Tudyk claims to have never seen Whedon bully anybody, so he may not have pulled kind of shit with anybody on Firefly/Serenity due to a lack of easy targets. You mention Gina Torres, but in contrast to her character Jewel Staite has a reputation for being a real hardass, and Morena Baccarin has been described as pretty scrappy by her Gotham co-stars, too. Also, most of the actors on Firefly, as well as Amy Acker and Eliza Dushku have worked with Whedon multiple times, so seeing statements from them look unlikely.
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Post by mattperiolat on Feb 11, 2021 16:24:28 GMT -5
While on the subject, what about Jewel Saite or Summer Glau? He wouldn’t DARE with Gina Torres, but leopards don’t change their spots. If he pulled this on Buffy, Angel and Avengers, you bet your ass it was on Firefly too. I suspect that, like most bullies, he's got a favoured type of victim and method of attack. Michelle Trachtenburg's comment about "what went on behind the scenes" combined with Anthony Head's confession of his ignorance just tells me that Whedon doesn't openly bully people, he does it one-on-one, when there's nobody else around. In addition to Head, Alan Tudyk claims to have never seen Whedon bully anybody, so he may not have pulled kind of shit with anybody on Firefly/Serenity due to a lack of easy targets. You mention Gina Torres, but in contrast to her character Jewel Staite has a reputation for being a real hardass. Also, most of the actors on Firefly, as well as Amy Acker and Eliza Dushku have worked with Whedon multiple times, so seeing statements from them look unlikely. So did Charisma across Buffy and Angel. Just saying. And as stated upstream a bit, I got a bad feeling about Dushku in particular.
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Post by mattperiolat on Feb 11, 2021 16:27:11 GMT -5
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 11, 2021 16:42:59 GMT -5
Michelle Trachtenberg edited her Instagram to kind of elaborate, saying something happened where a rule was instituted where Joss was not allowed to be left alone with Michelle.
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Post by grunt on Feb 11, 2021 16:45:32 GMT -5
I suspect that, like most bullies, he's got a favoured type of victim and method of attack. Michelle Trachtenburg's comment about "what went on behind the scenes" combined with Anthony Head's confession of his ignorance just tells me that Whedon doesn't openly bully people, he does it one-on-one, when there's nobody else around. In addition to Head, Alan Tudyk claims to have never seen Whedon bully anybody, so he may not have pulled kind of shit with anybody on Firefly/Serenity due to a lack of easy targets. You mention Gina Torres, but in contrast to her character Jewel Staite has a reputation for being a real hardass. Also, most of the actors on Firefly, as well as Amy Acker and Eliza Dushku have worked with Whedon multiple times, so seeing statements from them look unlikely. So did Charisma across Buffy and Angel. Just saying. And as stated upstream a bit, I got a bad feeling about Dushku in particular. Thing is, as much as he seems to be keen on bullying certain people in one-on-one situations, Whedon clearly (and he has aknowledged it as such in a few audio commentaries) also has favorites, that can do no wrong in his eyes. Dushku is one (and when Whedon's wife accusation came out, Duhsku instantly got flagged as one of those "beautiful, needy, agressive young women that Whedon couldn't resist" by a lot of fans), Acker is another (even though hearing Whedon talk about her on the commentary tracks, it was probably more of a "platonic" relationship), Glau is one too... So those people might have nothing bad to say about Joss, if he never went into bullying mode with them.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 11, 2021 17:02:09 GMT -5
So did Charisma across Buffy and Angel. Just saying. And as stated upstream a bit, I got a bad feeling about Dushku in particular. Thing is, as much as he seems to be keen on bullying certain people in one-on-one situations, Whedon clearly (and he has aknowledged it as such in a few audio commentaries) also has favorites, that can do no wrong in his eyes. Dushku is one (and when Whedon's wife accusation came out, Duhsku instantly got flagged as one of those "beautiful, needy, agressive young women that Whedon couldn't resist" by a lot of fans), Acker is another (even though hearing Whedon talk about her on the commentary tracks, it was probably more of a "platonic" relationship), Glau is one too... So those people might have nothing bad to say about Joss, if he never went into bullying mode with them. Yeah, it's easy to fall into the trap that bullies and abusers will bully and abuse everybody they meet if they get a chance. The reality is they are often very selective and are especially talented at hiding their darker traits from those they like, who will then often go to bat for them when the truth is revealed. If someone hasn't spoken up yet, it can easily be because they simply had no idea about what actually went on.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 11, 2021 18:02:22 GMT -5
Thing is, as much as he seems to be keen on bullying certain people in one-on-one situations, Whedon clearly (and he has aknowledged it as such in a few audio commentaries) also has favorites, that can do no wrong in his eyes. Dushku is one (and when Whedon's wife accusation came out, Duhsku instantly got flagged as one of those "beautiful, needy, agressive young women that Whedon couldn't resist" by a lot of fans), Acker is another (even though hearing Whedon talk about her on the commentary tracks, it was probably more of a "platonic" relationship), Glau is one too... So those people might have nothing bad to say about Joss, if he never went into bullying mode with them. Yeah, it's easy to fall into the trap that bullies and abusers will bully and abuse everybody they meet if they get a chance. The reality is they are often very selective and are especially talented at hiding their darker traits from those they like, who will then often go to bat for them when the truth is revealed. If someone hasn't spoken up yet, it can easily be because they simply had no idea about what actually went on. It's one of the ways they can get away with it by figuring out who they can get away with it... and then others can fall into the trap of "well he didn't abuse ME." my response to that mental trap is... serial killers don't go after everyone they interact with either.
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Feb 11, 2021 18:12:15 GMT -5
I mean this was the dude who wanted to show audiences Vison's twig and berries in Age of Ultron so this news really doesn't surprise me at all.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Feb 11, 2021 19:41:59 GMT -5
Michelle Trachtenberg edited her Instagram to kind of elaborate, saying something happened where a rule was instituted where Joss was not allowed to be left alone with Michelle. Well, that's all kinds of damning
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Post by Cyno on Feb 11, 2021 19:48:31 GMT -5
Michelle Trachtenberg edited her Instagram to kind of elaborate, saying something happened where a rule was instituted where Joss was not allowed to be left alone with Michelle. Well, that's all kinds of damning The worst part of it is that I think Michelle Tratchenberg was a minor through her entire run on Buffy. Just that kind of rule had to be made is extremely troubling.
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Post by mattperiolat on Feb 11, 2021 19:52:42 GMT -5
Well, that's all kinds of damning The worst part of it is that I think Michelle Tratchenberg was a minor through her entire run on Buffy. Just that kind of rule had to be made is extremely troubling. She was. I think 15 when she started so 17 when it ended? Maybe? Yeah, this went from ugly to really creepy at light speed.
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Post by grunt on Feb 11, 2021 19:58:33 GMT -5
To be fair, it might have not been anything sexual, but more a case of Joss venting his anger issues on the weakest, youngest member of the cast (esp. since at that point, SMG was pretty much too big of a star to get yelled at).
(but let's face it, it's probably sexual)
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 11, 2021 20:07:51 GMT -5
To be fair, it might have not been anything sexual, but more a case of Joss venting his anger issues on the weakest, youngest member of the cast (esp. since at that point, SMG was pretty much too big of a star to get yelled at). Whedon's extremely precious about his work and is known to blow his top about it. He pinned James Marsters to a wall and screamed in his face because his character got too popular for Whedon's liking. Given Dawn wasn't exactly received by the fandom with open arms, him taking his anger about that out on Trachtenberg is not beyond the realms of possibility.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Feb 11, 2021 20:10:35 GMT -5
I mean if he did anything that made Harriet the Spy cry
*Cracks knuckles*
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 11, 2021 20:18:03 GMT -5
To be fair, it might have not been anything sexual, but more a case of Joss venting his anger issues on the weakest, youngest member of the cast (esp. since at that point, SMG was pretty much too big of a star to get yelled at). Whedon's extremely precious about his work and is known to blow his top about it. He pinned James Marsters to a wall and screamed in his face because his character got too popular for Whedon's liking. Given Dawn wasn't exactly received by the fandom with open arms, him taking his anger about that out on Trachtenberg is not beyond the realms of possibility. Yeah... if I had to guess it's this. At the time, Dawn wasn't really well liked especially at first. I could see Whedon taking it out on the actress, since it couldn't be his writing that people disliked. combined with the fact that she was a teenager at the time and an easy target for a shithead bully since he knew she likely wouldn't do anything to him.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Feb 11, 2021 22:48:45 GMT -5
He also during AOU for whatever reason wanted a scene focused on Visions junk and was told no numerous times and that it would look like trash he insisted on it. It happened and looked like trash. But Michelle Trachtenburg's statement is pretty damn creepy
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Post by mattperiolat on Feb 11, 2021 23:54:29 GMT -5
Whedon's extremely precious about his work and is known to blow his top about it. He pinned James Marsters to a wall and screamed in his face because his character got too popular for Whedon's liking. Given Dawn wasn't exactly received by the fandom with open arms, him taking his anger about that out on Trachtenberg is not beyond the realms of possibility. Yeah... if I had to guess it's this. At the time, Dawn wasn't really well liked especially at first. I could see Whedon taking it out on the actress, since it couldn't be his writing that people disliked. combined with the fact that she was a teenager at the time and an easy target for a shithead bully since he knew she likely wouldn't do anything to him. I’m actually really interested in this, mainly because I know Whedon wasn’t exactly omnipresent on Buffy or Angel during their sixth and third seasons respectively because of Firefly. And we’ve focused on the actors, rightly so, but it’s fair to say producers and writers took some heat too. Thinking about Marti Noxon in particular suddenly as she just got pilloried for how bad season six of Buffy was and that was just by fans. But, I don’t want to madly start throwing accusations without knowing more. You just never know how bad things are until you know to look.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 4:38:16 GMT -5
The Emma Caulfield atuff has been public for a long time. Dude was literally punishing her and hurting his own show to do it.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 12, 2021 5:22:50 GMT -5
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