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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 4:06:19 GMT -5
Hey, guy who enters in at number one, if you want to win, be prepared to fight for potentially an hour and a half straight having multiple full length matches back-to-back against top tier threats! Oh, nevermind, guy who came in at the very end completely fresh just beat you in two moves because you're basically half dead already, guess he gets the reward for all the work you did!
At least with the Royal Rumble you don't have to do every bit of the work by yourself to win.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Feb 16, 2021 4:30:48 GMT -5
Yeah, the logic behind this match type isn't great. I guess the appeal would be to see one of the first two go on to win, but rarely does that happen. Also, how is entrant order decided? Further more, what's to stop someone not booked in the match to take out the last entrant, and assume their position?
I would much rather see a tournament with brackets, or better yet, something similar to ROH's Crowning a Champion.
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Post by schma on Feb 16, 2021 6:40:19 GMT -5
They're useful for the 'evil authority figures screws over defiant babyface'. Otherwise yeah.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 16, 2021 6:52:05 GMT -5
They're useful for the 'evil authority figures screws over defiant babyface'. Otherwise yeah. Remember that women's gauntlet where they f***ed up the booking by having Nia Jax (a heel) go through everybody only to lose to the final entrant Sasha Banks (a face)? |
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Feb 16, 2021 6:59:27 GMT -5
Yeah they're terrible and nobody's performance in them has ever catapulted them into the main event of Wrestlemania ever.
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Post by redrefugee on Feb 16, 2021 8:00:20 GMT -5
They're useful for the 'evil authority figures screws over defiant babyface'. Otherwise yeah. This. On a side note, another stupid match type are tag matches where there are more than 2 tag teams involved but only 2 tag teams allowed in the ring at one time, and the only way to get in the ring is tag one of the opposition teams. It's not quite as bad when its an elimination match, but when there is only one pinfall it's loses any sense of logic. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 16, 2021 8:46:22 GMT -5
Yeah they're terrible and nobody's performance in them has ever catapulted them into the main event of Wrestlemania ever. OP did explicitly say a way to determine things. Kofi having a breakout performance in a gauntlet match and the overall conceit of "heel comes out fresh and kills the face who did all the work" being dumb can coexist. |
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Post by msc on Feb 16, 2021 8:59:28 GMT -5
I legit thought it was going to end with "LOL RKO".
I file gauntlets under "lazy gimmicks which are sometimes more than the sum of their parts" ie we all know how they end, but the getting there can remind fans and the WWE of how important or good some of the other parts of the match are. Like Rollins in 2018 and Kofi in 2019.
And I think the long term story from last night is the continued build of Drew as nearly unstoppable (unless you have a 50 minute headstart!) so whoever beats him straight up for that belt without the time difference is going to get put over huge...
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 16, 2021 10:30:31 GMT -5
When's the last gauntlet that didn't end with "opportunistic heel beats last guy with a headstart"?
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Post by mrtuesday on Feb 16, 2021 10:32:15 GMT -5
But they're a perfect way to fill TV time.
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Post by CMWaters on Feb 16, 2021 10:57:14 GMT -5
Gauntlets where it's a round robin style elimination like last night are difficult to book right, I agree.
The ones where it's "you have to get through everyone", though, that I feel works best. Example of that being the one that Big E and Woods had to go through to get Kofi his WWE title shot.
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Post by thirteen3 on Feb 16, 2021 11:02:40 GMT -5
The writers must have loved Gauntlet mode on whatever video game they played as kids.
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 16, 2021 11:09:40 GMT -5
IMHO: Gauntlet Matches make more guys look like shit than they make guys look good.
Most of the entrants in a standard gauntlet match end up looking like total goobers because they got pinned by people wrestling their second/third/forth match in a row.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 16, 2021 16:52:50 GMT -5
They're useful for the 'evil authority figures screws over defiant babyface'. Otherwise yeah. The one non-authority heel example that also worked was Wyatt Family vs. Daniel Bryan where the Wyatts basically kicked the shit out of Bryan after each member was eliminated, ultimately culminating in Bray preying on an essentially beaten and battered Bryan. |
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 16, 2021 17:05:25 GMT -5
They're useful for the 'evil authority figures screws over defiant babyface'. Otherwise yeah. The one non-authority heel example that also worked was Wyatt Family vs. Daniel Bryan where the Wyatts basically kicked the shit out of Bryan after each member was eliminated, ultimately culminating in Bray preying on an essentially beaten and battered Bryan. Of course, it didn't "work" in the conventional sense because of all the outside narratives surrounding Bryan at the time, but it made logical sense in a bubble. |
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Post by romanstylesiii on Feb 16, 2021 17:08:10 GMT -5
Hey, guy who enters in at number one, if you want to win, be prepared to fight for potentially an hour and a half straight having multiple full length matches back-to-back against top tier threats! Oh, nevermind, guy who came in at the very end completely fresh just beat you in two moves because you're basically half dead already, guess he gets the reward for all the work you did! At least with the Royal Rumble you don't have to do every bit of the work by yourself to win. It kinda worked once with Kofi, but then they had him do it three more times. Find a new storytelling device |
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 16, 2021 17:14:51 GMT -5
The one non-authority heel example that also worked was Wyatt Family vs. Daniel Bryan where the Wyatts basically kicked the shit out of Bryan after each member was eliminated, ultimately culminating in Bray preying on an essentially beaten and battered Bryan. Of course, it didn't "work" in the conventional sense because of all the outside narratives surrounding Bryan at the time, but it made logical sense in a bubble. Looking back at it, it made a nice storytelling moment. Wyatt basically wearing down Bryan physically and mentally with a gauntlet to a point where Daniel would choose to give in to Bray rather than fight him is some good gauntlet booking (putting aside the general everything surrounding it). |
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Post by The Creepo Man on Feb 16, 2021 17:15:30 GMT -5
They're useful for the 'evil authority figures screws over defiant babyface'. Otherwise yeah. This. On a side note, another stupid match type are tag matches where there are more than 2 tag teams involved but only 2 tag teams allowed in the ring at one time, and the only way to get in the ring is tag one of the opposition teams. It's not quite as bad when its an elimination match, but when there is only one pinfall it's loses any sense of logic. The Outsiders exploited a loophole in that type of match when Kevin Nash tried to allow Scott Hall to pin him until the other two teams (Faces of Fear & Harlem Heat?) broke it up. I think the New Age Outlaws tried it too. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 17:16:22 GMT -5
Yeah they're terrible and nobody's performance in them has ever catapulted them into the main event of Wrestlemania ever. OP did explicitly say a way to determine things. Kofi having a breakout performance in a gauntlet match and the overall conceit of "heel comes out fresh and kills the face who did all the work" being dumb can coexist. Hell, that happened in that match itself. AJ beat Kofi then the actual finish was just Orton immediately RKOing him to win. |
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 16, 2021 18:42:21 GMT -5
OP did explicitly say a way to determine things. Kofi having a breakout performance in a gauntlet match and the overall conceit of "heel comes out fresh and kills the face who did all the work" being dumb can coexist. Hell, that happened in that match itself. AJ beat Kofi then the actual finish was just Orton immediately RKOing him to win. Infamously, that finish came literally seconds before Smackdown ended, so you had Orton hitting the RKO when the copyright bug popping up, then the three-count just before the fade to black. |
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