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Post by eJm on Mar 30, 2021 12:00:41 GMT -5
Well, I imagine that "What to do when we strand you in a politically hostile foreign country" isn't in the new employee handbook. I like to think each person got a pamphlet after it happened called “So your boss decided to annoy a Foreign Dictatorship”.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 30, 2021 12:11:06 GMT -5
Well, I imagine that "What to do when we strand you in a politically hostile foreign country" isn't in the new employee handbook. Dance?
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Post by nisidhe on Mar 30, 2021 12:21:03 GMT -5
You have people literally living out their dreams, getting paid millions of dollars and hating every minute of being in the WWE. It's become like clockwork. Someone literally speaks up about it every 6 months and it seems to have at least been going on for 20 years now. I don't even think we know how bad it truly is. I have hated a lot of jobs in my life, but I never thought about quitting, and i make a fraction of what they do. For people to regularly walk away from millions of dollars and their childhood dream is mind blowing. Is it a toxic work environment or is it just people frustrated that they’re not being used right or at all? Think they just have too much premium talent to keep happy. If people aren't happy about being used well (or at all), then that's simple frustration in the absence of any other factors. What seems to have been happening for at least the last ten years is that WWE has taken all the talents it could sign, then turning around and booking them deliberately poorly in order to a) bury them as talents, reducing their value to the profession as a whole and b) sell WWE as a brand that does not rely on its in-ring talent to remain profitable, even when doing so is actually hurting the brand and is degrading the entire profession as a whole. Vince has been drinking poison to build up his strength, but at the price of his company's stamina and the business's continued viability. The toxicity lies in the self-destructive nature of the long-term booking and everyone else's powerlessness to stop it.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 30, 2021 12:23:54 GMT -5
Is it a toxic work environment or is it just people frustrated that they’re not being used right or at all? Think they just have too much premium talent to keep happy. If people aren't happy about being used well (or at all), then that's simple frustration in the absence of any other factors. What seems to have been happening for at least the last ten years is that WWE has taken all the talents it could sign, then turning around and booking them deliberately poorly in order to a) bury them as talents, reducing their value to the profession as a whole and b) sell WWE as a brand that does not rely on its in-ring talent to remain profitable, even when doing so is actually hurting the brand and is degrading the entire profession as a whole. Vince has been drinking poison to build up his strength, but at the price of his company's stamina and the business's continued viability. The toxicity lies in the self-destructive nature of the long-term booking and everyone else's powerlessness to stop it. Sorry, I don’t buy for a minute that Vince is purposely booking a poor product. I just think time has passed him by creatively in many respects, although there are still strongly booked shows (Smackdown and PPVs primarily) and Raw has its moments.
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 30, 2021 12:31:16 GMT -5
Well, I imagine that "What to do when we strand you in a politically hostile foreign country" isn't in the new employee handbook. I like to think each person got a pamphlet after it happened called “So your boss decided to annoy a Foreign Dictatorship”. But I guess there's no fun in that, no PAL memes and all to do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 12:52:26 GMT -5
I like to think each person got a pamphlet after it happened called “So your boss decided to annoy a Foreign Dictatorship”. But I guess there's no fun in that, no PAL memes and all to do. It does have a dynamite steak and ketchup wrap recipe though.
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Post by Bo Rida on Mar 30, 2021 13:37:16 GMT -5
I'm not sure toxic is the right word. I think they cleaned up, less bullying, harrasment etc. A lot of self policing from a generation happier playing videogames than perpetuating the old culture.
The issues are more workers rights including safety measures and creative. The later mostly being ineptitude more than toxicity.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 16:42:47 GMT -5
If people aren't happy about being used well (or at all), then that's simple frustration in the absence of any other factors. What seems to have been happening for at least the last ten years is that WWE has taken all the talents it could sign, then turning around and booking them deliberately poorly in order to a) bury them as talents, reducing their value to the profession as a whole and b) sell WWE as a brand that does not rely on its in-ring talent to remain profitable, even when doing so is actually hurting the brand and is degrading the entire profession as a whole. Vince has been drinking poison to build up his strength, but at the price of his company's stamina and the business's continued viability. The toxicity lies in the self-destructive nature of the long-term booking and everyone else's powerlessness to stop it. Sorry, I don’t buy for a minute that Vince is purposely booking a poor product. I just think time has passed him by creatively in many respects, although there are still strongly booked shows (Smackdown and PPVs primarily) and Raw has its moments. It's strange, because 205 Live was at its best when it was (reportedly) just Vince running the show. The guy sucks, but I don't think he's purposely ruining the product either.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 30, 2021 17:26:09 GMT -5
toxicity is all subjective. Didn't Brodie Lee's wife write something after his passing, saying something along the lines of "Why would we hate WWE? Brodie left because he wanted to do more in the industry, not because he hated being there. They are our friends." Being underused doesn't necessarily mean toxic. But then again, someone else's experience may very well be toxic. (Bullying, Harrassed, ostracized.) I'm sure there are some who feel it is toxic and others who are depressed for other reasons. I don't fully blame WWE for issues and I don't fully blame the talent either. There are things that are subjective like you said and each case is different. Without opening a can of worms I think thus all comes down to the whole independent contractor vs salaried employee
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Post by PKO on Mar 30, 2021 17:50:53 GMT -5
Well, I imagine that "What to do when we strand you in a politically hostile foreign country" isn't in the new employee handbook. I like to think each person got a pamphlet after it happened called “So your boss decided to annoy a Foreign Dictatorship”. It also comes in t-shirt form: “My boss decided to annoy a Foreign Dictatorship and all I got was this lousy T-shirt!”
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Post by Fundertaker on Mar 30, 2021 18:38:19 GMT -5
I like to think each person got a pamphlet after it happened called “So your boss decided to annoy a Foreign Dictatorship”. But I guess there's no fun in that, no PAL memes and all to do. What about NTSC memes?
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Mar 30, 2021 22:39:20 GMT -5
Sorry, I don’t buy for a minute that Vince is purposely booking a poor product. I just think time has passed him by creatively in many respects, although there are still strongly booked shows (Smackdown and PPVs primarily) and Raw has its moments. It's strange, because 205 Live was at its best when it was (reportedly) just Vince running the show. The guy sucks, but I don't think he's purposely ruining the product either. My theory is that, outside of side projects like 205 Live that aren't meant to be mainstream, Vince second guesses what he likes until he ends on something utterly disconnected from logic that he has determined to be "marketable." Would certainly explain the many stories that he changes his mind constantly.
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Post by Chainsaw on Mar 30, 2021 23:21:34 GMT -5
The answer is "No".
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