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Post by The Rick Jericho on Mar 31, 2021 16:01:59 GMT -5
www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2021/3/29/22350250/wrestlemania-match-rankings-all-time-worstWhat are matches on that list you feel shouldn't be on a worst of list? This was a brutal match and I mean by physicality. Does it hold up? Depends on how you view the performers. But getting this match in because they couldn't get O.J. Simpson or Razor Ramon to work the show, you have to give them both credit for the match. I do agree with the writer that this shouldn't have been Savage's last Wrestlemania match when there were so many more chances before 2011. I enjoy this match and the feud was intense as hell. Workrate wasn't as good, but damn, it was enjoyable. They weren't the same ECW originals, but it's still surreal to think RVD, Sandman, Sabu and Dreamer had a match together and on one team. It wasn't the worst match, but I do agree, the one they had on free TV a few weeks later was even better. Apparently this list will continue some time today. Will link the next portion as soon as it is up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 16:08:30 GMT -5
Some of them I haven't seen (and some I just straight up don't remember), but Cole vs. Lawler is still the worst for me.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Mar 31, 2021 16:24:24 GMT -5
The Gimmick Battle Royal is a terrible, terrible match, but it’s a joyous nostalgia trip.
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Post by Chiral on Mar 31, 2021 16:40:45 GMT -5
Having most of the like >1 minute matches on the bottom here has me thinking, is it at all possible to have a GOOD thirty second match? Or is that just inherently unsatisfying on a technical level?
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Mar 31, 2021 17:00:08 GMT -5
Having most of the like >1 minute matches on the bottom here has me thinking, is it at all possible to have a GOOD thirty second match? Or is that just inherently unsatisfying on a technical level? Goldberg/Brock at Survivor Series
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Post by rocket on Mar 31, 2021 17:10:57 GMT -5
Having most of the like >1 minute matches on the bottom here has me thinking, is it at all possible to have a GOOD thirty second match? Or is that just inherently unsatisfying on a technical level? Warrior beating Honky for the IC title.
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Post by PKO on Mar 31, 2021 17:13:52 GMT -5
Some of them I haven't seen (and some I just straight up don't remember), but Cole vs. Lawler is still the worst for me. The match should have been Lawler kicking Cole’s ass for a couple mins and then easily beating him with a finisher. Instead the in-ring action was nearly 15 minutes of mostly Cole beating down Lawler, then when Lawler gets the victory it’s overturned by the anonymous GM for...reasons? Add in a lot of extra fluff like a Cole promo and Austin beer bash and it took up way, way, way too much time. Just atrocious.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Mar 31, 2021 17:22:27 GMT -5
Bryan and Sheamus has no business being grouped in with the dogshit that is also down that far. You can disagree with it, but at least it made sense and wasn't a 20 minute snoozefest with old people or a dumb womens match before the women got taken seriously.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Mar 31, 2021 17:32:41 GMT -5
Some of them I haven't seen (and some I just straight up don't remember), but Cole vs. Lawler is still the worst for me. The match should have been Lawler kicking Cole’s ass for a couple mins and then easily beating him with a finisher. Instead the in-ring action was nearly 15 minutes of mostly Cole beating down Lawler, then when Lawler gets the victory it’s overturned by the anonymous GM for...reasons? Add in a lot of extra fluff like a Cole promo and Austin beer bash and it took up way, way, way too much time. Just atrocious. But it did give us that great image of Michael Cole’s faced pressed up against his commentary box. That alone almost makes the rest of it worthwhile.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 17:36:29 GMT -5
I liked the backlot brawl... :/
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Mar 31, 2021 17:45:13 GMT -5
I’ll never claim that the Bret/Vince match isn’t utter shite but it’s got a special place in my heart as a favourite of mine. To see Bret Hart have (at that particular moment anyway) one big final match and seemingly lay to rest a lot of the shit that had been thrown his way in the previous decade of his life, that was a great moment. Yes it was way too long and was a squash match that went ten minutes longer than any squash should go. But we got to see Bret have a final WWE match that wasn’t Montreal.
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Post by msc on Mar 31, 2021 17:57:37 GMT -5
Having most of the like >1 minute matches on the bottom here has me thinking, is it at all possible to have a GOOD thirty second match? Or is that just inherently unsatisfying on a technical level? Its not going to win any star ratings, but I remain quite fond of Survivor Series 98. "We got a replacement and here he is, The Big Boss Man!" Bossman comes out all smug, crowd boos. Bossman rolls into ring, direct into a small package and an immediate three count. Rock's music plays, Rock advances after 3 seconds. Replays show entire match and entrance. Bossman acts up like a pro.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Mar 31, 2021 19:20:38 GMT -5
I’ll never claim that the Bret/Vince match isn’t utter shite but it’s got a special place in my heart as a favourite of mine. To see Bret Hart have (at that particular moment anyway) one big final match and seemingly lay to rest a lot of the shit that had been thrown his way in the previous decade of his life, that was a great moment. Yes it was way too long and was a squash match that went ten minutes longer than any squash should go. But we got to see Bret have a final WWE match that wasn’t Montreal. THIS. Yes, the match was too long by about 5-10 minutes. And I wish Vince had some offence. Like trying to put Bret in the sharpshooter for cheap heat. But in the end, it's the achievement of this. After the concussion to end his career. The stroke. To come back and have some fun with the storyline and actually have a match at Wrestlemania. This match on principle should age better. I only wish this was his last match in WWE instead of a throwaway match on Raw in 2011. Also, I wish if he didn't wear his tights, at least wear the Pink Shades. And of course the old theme music. Shades + music = at least 3 stars alone. And giving the glasses to a kid in the front. So much more could've been done. Plus he comes back on the night his former bitter rival retires. What a full circle!
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 31, 2021 20:41:01 GMT -5
Having most of the like >1 minute matches on the bottom here has me thinking, is it at all possible to have a GOOD thirty second match? Or is that just inherently unsatisfying on a technical level? It has to be someone who REALLY has that kind of whupping coming, but at the same time, has to be someone where fans are willing to let them catch said whupping. Take Daniel Bryan v Sheamus for example. Bryan was being a big cowardly heel, hiding behind AJ Lee and loopholes in matches to technically win them, bragging about it all in the most obnoxious ways, so on and so forth. Him losing in 18 seconds at WrestleMania made logical sense in storyline, and would've been seen as great karmic justice for the heel's misdoings... If it wasn't for the fact that the whole schtick had gotten really over and fans wanted him to still be champion. So naturally, that happens...
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Post by koreycaskets on Mar 31, 2021 23:59:28 GMT -5
I know it's all personal opinion based lists created like this but Bundy vs SD Jones was definitely not one of the worst Mania Matches ever. It served its purpose at the time to show Bundy as a Monster. Quick doesn't make it bad.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 1, 2021 0:52:42 GMT -5
The Gimmick Battle Royal is a terrible, terrible match, but it’s a joyous nostalgia trip. I'm pretty sure the Heenan/Okerlund commentary on that match would prevent even the most jaded of wrestling fan from hating it entirely...
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Post by msc on Apr 1, 2021 3:16:30 GMT -5
Having most of the like >1 minute matches on the bottom here has me thinking, is it at all possible to have a GOOD thirty second match? Or is that just inherently unsatisfying on a technical level? It has to be someone who REALLY has that kind of whupping coming, but at the same time, has to be someone where fans are willing to let them catch said whupping. Take Daniel Bryan v Sheamus for example. Bryan was being a big cowardly heel, hiding behind AJ Lee and loopholes in matches to technically win them, bragging about it all in the most obnoxious ways, so on and so forth. Him losing in 18 seconds at WrestleMania made logical sense in storyline, and would've been seen as great karmic justice for the heel's misdoings... If it wasn't for the fact that the whole schtick had gotten really over and fans wanted him to still be champion. So naturally, that happens... Santino's Honk-a-Meter would have had the exact same reaction EXCEPT they ended it by having Regal beat him in 20 seconds in England and the crowd instead went f***ing apeshit. (Just rewatched it again, it's joyous, it is)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 3:24:52 GMT -5
Having most of the like >1 minute matches on the bottom here has me thinking, is it at all possible to have a GOOD thirty second match? Or is that just inherently unsatisfying on a technical level? It has to be someone who REALLY has that kind of whupping coming, but at the same time, has to be someone where fans are willing to let them catch said whupping. Take Daniel Bryan v Sheamus for example. Bryan was being a big cowardly heel, hiding behind AJ Lee and loopholes in matches to technically win them, bragging about it all in the most obnoxious ways, so on and so forth. Him losing in 18 seconds at WrestleMania made logical sense in storyline, and would've been seen as great karmic justice for the heel's misdoings... If it wasn't for the fact that the whole schtick had gotten really over and fans wanted him to still be champion. So naturally, that happens... I think there were other reasons why that one didn't work, mostly that 1), the build wasn't there for it because the only real interactions he and Sheamus had were Sheamus constantly attacking him in the lead-up to it so Sheamus was the one coming off as the asshole, and 2), people were also cheated out of seeing Bryan / Sheamus the year before.
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Post by Push R Truth on Apr 1, 2021 6:24:16 GMT -5
The Gimmick Battle Royal is a terrible, terrible match, but it’s a joyous nostalgia trip. Hell yes! The Greatest and Best Piece of Shit Match in the HISTORY of our sport!
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Apr 1, 2021 6:34:25 GMT -5
I was a bit confused by the one that came bottom, then saw:
So fair enough, I suppose.
Am I reading correctly though, has Uncle Elmer vs. Adrian Adonis been spared the ignominy of being included in the bottom 50? Because that comes as a bit of a surprise, I think it's certainly far more deserving of being that low than all these squashes, or the Gimmick Battle Royal.
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