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Post by hulksmash87 on May 8, 2021 20:51:14 GMT -5
I personally think he would have been a great authority figure in 98-99, I know he had the role in 96 for a bit but o think he would have been great feuding with Vince and Shane and verbal spats with the rock and Austin would have been great
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Post by jason1980s on May 8, 2021 23:27:46 GMT -5
If he were 15 years younger I can see it working but at that age they probably wouldn't have him in that role. I felt like he was pretty useless in WWF after his first retirement. Vince just liked him so much that he kept bringing him back. I love him as a amazing family man and like him a lot as an actor but I'm not really a wrestling fan of his. I think his best days were the 80s and in the 90s was just resting on his laurels.
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Post by sportatorium on May 9, 2021 1:46:57 GMT -5
If he could have just got the residue of the WCW run off of himself it would have been worth it. He could have worked fine as a heel working with the Hart Foundation. Shawn & Hunter would have made him miserable though.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 11:12:46 GMT -5
If he could have just got the residue of the WCW run off of himself it would have been worth it. He could have worked fine as a heel working with the Hart Foundation. Shawn & Hunter would have made him miserable though. Pretty sure his WCW run was around the same time as Bret coming to WCW. I don't think the timing could have worked out. Now why Bret, Anvil, and Bulldog weren't the Hart Foundation in WCW is the question I'm asking. Bischoff didn't know what to do with Bret and had Anvil and Bulldog as an undercard tag team on Thunder and shit. Seems to write/fix itself if you just put them together. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 9, 2021 11:18:51 GMT -5
eh it probably wouldn't have been much better than his run in WCW.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 9, 2021 11:30:08 GMT -5
If Piper had been in the WWF for those years instead of WCW, he would have a lot more segments to be explaining away nowadays than just the outrageously racist Mr T shit.
But then it would be WWE, so it'd just be celebrated until it wasn't okay and then ignored, like DX's blackface.
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Post by jason1980s on May 9, 2021 11:40:59 GMT -5
If he could have just got the residue of the WCW run off of himself it would have been worth it. He could have worked fine as a heel working with the Hart Foundation. Shawn & Hunter would have made him miserable though. Pretty sure his WCW run was around the same time as Bret coming to WCW. I don't think the timing could have worked out. Now why Bret, Anvil, and Bulldog weren't the Hart Foundation in WCW is the question I'm asking. Bischoff didn't know what to do with Bret and had Anvil and Bulldog as an undercard tag team on Thunder and shit. Seems to write/fix itself if you just put them together. I think there was some kind of clause when Bulldog and Anvil left they couldn't work with Bret. If Piper had been in the WWF for those years instead of WCW, he would have a lot more segments to be explaining away nowadays than just the outrageously racist Mr T shit. But then it would be WWE, so it'd just be celebrated until it wasn't okay and then ignored, like DX's blackface. I can not wait until the black face skit comes to bite HHH in the butt. But, the ones usually outed for it are famous celebrities and I don't think HHH really qualifies as one outside of wrestling so it may be ignored. It would be pretty great to see him in a real board room with major CEOs and try to explain it to them. And Piper definitely knew he was being racist with the WM VI half black gimmick. It wasn't a "We are the world" moment like he claimed. Again, great family man and great to the paying fans at autograph conventions but def. a lot of unsettling things about him. |
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Post by johnnyk9 on May 9, 2021 12:44:29 GMT -5
He choose to be where the big boys play
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Post by jason1980s on May 9, 2021 14:01:34 GMT -5
He was only about 10 years older than guys like Al Snow and Bob Holly and 15 more than HHH but he felt ancient and it would have been brutal seeing him try to act younger to on par with guys in the Attitude Era. At least he went to WCW where most of the top guys were close to his age and at least that let Vince forget about him for a few years until he came back in 2003 and did little of note before leaving or being fired.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 9, 2021 17:53:57 GMT -5
He did enough questionable stuff in his career, given that much freedom, who knows what he would have done? I don’t see it ending well.
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Post by bob on May 9, 2021 18:10:29 GMT -5
I think he would've been an awesome authority figure n -- he was one of the best talkers of all time
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Post by defectiveepitaph on May 9, 2021 22:50:12 GMT -5
He choose to be where the big boys play with each other. |
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Post by wildojinx on May 9, 2021 23:07:58 GMT -5
Wasnt he good friends with the Harts? Even if he came in after Montreal, he'd likely leave after Owen's death.
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Post by corndog on May 10, 2021 13:38:43 GMT -5
It would have been interesting to see him in the Hart Foundation. I think Piper needed to be a heel at that point, especially to fit in with the Attitude Era. His face act had gotten incredibly stale at that point and he definitely couldn't do much in the ring. I also wouldn't see him sticking around after Owen died, since he was so close to the family. He considered the Harts his family and was livid about Owen's death.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 10, 2021 13:52:00 GMT -5
On a more humorous note, if Piper were in WWE, we wouldnt have gotten the most Russo match ending of all time where Bret Hart is declared the winner becausr Piper (who wasnt even in the match) covered Goldberg to protect him from the nWo and for some reason the ref did a 3 count.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on May 10, 2021 14:00:06 GMT -5
He was Ric Flair's Vice President in WCW 1999 and later that year The Powers That Be made him a referee where he exerted a certain amount of authority. I found him pretty entertaining, but 1999 was a shitty year.
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Post by Aceorton on May 10, 2021 14:01:12 GMT -5
Piper was provocative and entertaining in the 1980s, but [whispers uncomfortably] he was never really that funny, especially after he came back in '89. He definitely thought he was, and for years during a kid-friendly period, he had a strong cast of foils to provide over-the-top reactions to his burns. But in the Attitude Era, everyone was hitting each other with burns, and a lot of them were way better at it than Piper.
You'd end up with one of two scenarios: Guys like the Rock, Austin, DX and Jericho run circles around Piper, who looks old and outmatched trying to zing them on the mic. Or, those guys all have to act like Piper is owning them when anyone can see he isn't (which was a problem for Piper, Hogan and some of the other older guys in WCW).
Either way, cringe. Piper's act just didn't convert well once things got more adult.
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Post by sungod2020 on May 13, 2021 20:26:33 GMT -5
Piper was provocative and entertaining in the 1980s, but [whispers uncomfortably] he was never really that funny, especially after he came back in '89. He definitely thought he was, and for years during a kid-friendly period, he had a strong cast of foils to provide over-the-top reactions to his burns. But in the Attitude Era, everyone was hitting each other with burns, and a lot of them were way better at it than Piper. You'd end up with one of two scenarios: Guys like the Rock, Austin, DX and Jericho run circles around Piper, who looks old and outmatched trying to zing them on the mic. Or, those guys all have to act like Piper is owning them when anyone can see he isn't (which was a problem for Piper, Hogan and some of the other older guys in WCW). Either way, cringe. Piper's act just didn't convert well once things got more adult. Plus, Chris Jericho was pretty much the Attitude Era's version of him, so it would be kinda redundant to have both on the roster. |
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Post by celtics543 on May 14, 2021 10:09:48 GMT -5
I really like Roddy Piper but I was born in 1988 and other than a moment here or there I feel like I missed why he's treated like such a huge legend. I grew up knowing he was a big legend and a huge deal but he really didn't do it for me anytime he was out there. I didn't really "get" his mic work or his style and he was a decent wrestler at best. His older stuff is decent but when people put him on the same level as a Hogan, Flair, Savage etc. I just don't see it.
He could get heat but I think most people could get heat if they said some of the stuff he was saying. And Piper's Pit, at least the ones on the big stage, WM 5 and WM 21(Whichever one had Austin and Carlito), really failed to deliver.
I think in the Attitude Era he would've been hard to see as an authority figure because Vince was the authority figure. Austin couldn't be the antiauthority if Piper was playing the face authority figure to Vince's heel and Piper vs Austin wouldn't have drawn nearly the same. For all of Vince's faults, he put guys over left and right. If it had been Piper wrestling it would have had to be a more legit match and at some point Piper was going to have to win. Vince could look like a fool because everyone knew he wasn't trained to wrestle. It wouldn't have worked.
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Post by jason1980s on May 14, 2021 11:33:54 GMT -5
I really like Roddy Piper but I was born in 1988 and other than a moment here or there I feel like I missed why he's treated like such a huge legend. I grew up knowing he was a big legend and a huge deal but he really didn't do it for me anytime he was out there. I didn't really "get" his mic work or his style and he was a decent wrestler at best. His older stuff is decent but when people put him on the same level as a Hogan, Flair, Savage etc. I just don't see it. His commentary was pretty bad too. I know he tried his best but it just wasn't good enough. I think Vince loved Roddy and wanted him to be his Babe Ruth or someone like Ruth so he put him in the commentary position when it seemed like the wrestling wasn't working. Of course he did the same for Billy Graham and Mr. Perfect when they couldn't wrestle. But unlike those two guys, Roddy could still go but he would not allow himself to lose. None of his three 1989/1990 PPV appearances ended with him losing clean and if he's not going to do that what else can you do with him? Roddy and Gorilla were very like minded guys on commentary and gelled well but they weren't exactly an A team together. I wouldn't even doubt if Bobby Heenan got legit frustrated with Roddy's commentary during the Summerslam PPV since it killed the normal chemistry between Gorilla and Bobby. I think as time goes on Roddy will be a guy whose legacy may not look as well with the racial stuff and never sticking around long term, not being a team player and despite his early main event status not really being main eventer. He is probably the 80s version of "the guy who works with the guy who draws the money" and that money draw was Hogan. But no matter what, I do hate that he passed so early. Family was his top priority and not many guys from any era can say that. |
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