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Post by thehottag on May 18, 2021 14:03:04 GMT -5
Brock ending the streak & going on his crazy dominant title run. Firstly, streaks are meant to be broken at some point, otherwise what's the point in them? Secondly, the person who broke the streak had to get a huge push, otherwise it would've been a waste. It had to be someone believable to beat 'Taker, rather than a newbie who may not live up to the billing. And whilst Brock being an absentee champion wasn't ideal, at least he didn't get booked like an idiot like the rest of the roster.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on May 18, 2021 15:12:05 GMT -5
WWE running a Benoit tribute show for Raw the Monday after THAT weekend. Many said it was in very poor taste, but they had no clue as to what had actually happened. They would have never aired the tribute had they known at the time the seriousness of the matter. Yeah, they were stuck. Remember that the show that was supposed to air was Vince's kayfabe funeral. They obviously couldn't air that show so that had to scramble for something last minute. Remember the news only broke around five hours before they went live.
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Post by wildojinx on May 18, 2021 15:26:10 GMT -5
Hogan/Rock not going on last at WMX8. Nobody could have known that the match would end up as good as it turned out to be (the angle leading up to it was memorable, but a memorable lead-up doesnt always equal a memorable match).
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 18, 2021 16:19:20 GMT -5
A lot of these posts have the form of "this person isn't championship material" or "this person has no business being champion" and... I dunno. You're not agreeing with the booking because you think it was entertaining or made sense, you're agreeing that a certain person is at a particular place in some sort of hierarchy, and... yeah, I don't get it. Trust me, any combination of Cena and Rock together at WM29 would have been for my own personal entertainment. It wouldn’t be about hierarchy there, because Punk IMO was very much a top guy alongside them. I just flat out wanted Rock/Cena II.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 18, 2021 16:59:43 GMT -5
Hogan/Rock not going on last at WMX8. Nobody could have known that the match would end up as good as it turned out to be (the angle leading up to it was memorable, but a memorable lead-up doesnt always equal a memorable match). Before that match with Rock, when was the last time Hogan had a watchable match? Losing to Goldberg in 98? I totally agree.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 18, 2021 17:09:55 GMT -5
WWE running a Benoit tribute show for Raw the Monday after THAT weekend. Many said it was in very poor taste, but they had no clue as to what had actually happened. They would have never aired the tribute had they known at the time the seriousness of the matter. I’m probably misremembering but, I feel like the reason it became awkward is because the certainty of what happened didn’t really hit everyone until almost the end of that show. It’s why Regal and Edge sounded very different in their tributes from everyone else. There’s very little WWE could have done in that situation.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 18, 2021 18:08:37 GMT -5
It's common to express "controversial" opinions that run counter to WWE's creative decisions. Examples: "Chad Gable deserves a push," "The Attitude Era was overrated," and "The Iron Man Match at WrestleMania XII may be highly-regarded by both fans and the company, but to me it was a slog and what was up with that 0-0 tie at the end of the time limit?" But I'm here to ask about times when it's controversial to say that WWE got it right. Here's my example: The ending of the Summerslam 2010 main event. To me it seems like everybody complains that WWE got this one wrong and that Nexus should have won. But I disagree with that disagreement. To have a team with Cena, Edge, Jericho, Hall of Famer Bret Hart, and Daniel Bryan (the best member of the Nexus in the first place) lose to a team that included Michael Tarver, Darren Young, Justin Gabriel, Heath Slater, and David Otunga would have been ridiculous and it would have buried the members of Team WWE. And as for Wade Barrett, who probably would have benefited most from a Nexus victory, the guy was pushed way too fast anyway and didn't look credible in his title feuds because he wasn't ready, not because he didn't win the main event of Summerslam after less than three months on the main roster. I say it was the right decision to quell the Nexus at Summerslam 2010, what are some situations where you feel alone in saying WWE was right? I disagree with The Nexus losing to Team WWE, because the whole point of the build to that match was that Nexus was a united front, operating as greater than the sum of their parts. Team WWE was a dysfunctional mess with Edge and Chris Jericho only looking out for themselves, Bret Hart having only had one match in the last decade, and a mystery partner in Daniel Bryan who could have been a Nexus mole for all they knew, plus the way they led Miz to think he was the seventh man ended up biting them in their ass. The fact that Cena ended up winning the match despite his team falling apart halfway through the match was bad enough, and then there's the fact that SuperCena no sold a DDT ON CONCRETE is exactly the sort of thing that justified every boo he ever got in his career.
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Post by Dub H on May 18, 2021 18:12:43 GMT -5
Brock ending the streak & going on his crazy dominant title run. Firstly, streaks are meant to be broken at some point, otherwise what's the point in them? Secondly, the person who broke the streak had to get a huge push, otherwise it would've been a waste. It had to be someone believable to beat 'Taker, rather than a newbie who may not live up to the billing. And whilst Brock being an absentee champion wasn't ideal, at least he didn't get booked like an idiot like the rest of the roster. I didnt mind the Streak being broken,but it should have been Taker last match(at least at WM) The guy facing Taker right after the streak is broken is in a no-win,either Taker looks washed up or the guy lost to the guy tha situation and then afterwards it was used just to build another accolade for Reigns that just felt forced.
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Post by thehottag on May 19, 2021 0:15:00 GMT -5
The guy facing Taker right after the streak is broken is in a no-win,either Taker looks washed up or the guy lost to the guy tha situation and then afterwards it was used just to build another accolade for Reigns that just felt forced. I dunno, Undertaker matches at Wrestlemania were starting to become a bit of a foregone conclusion. I wasn't even that much into his matches with HBK because it seemed so obvious that 'the streak' was too big to break by anyone. Suddenly, with it gone, the matches against Wyatt/Shane/Roman had some uncertainty about them. Heck, I remember McMahon going off favourite in the betting at Wrestlemania 32.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 19, 2021 0:23:54 GMT -5
WWE running a Benoit tribute show for Raw the Monday after THAT weekend. Many said it was in very poor taste, but they had no clue as to what had actually happened. They would have never aired the tribute had they known at the time the seriousness of the matter. I’m probably misremembering but, I feel like the reason it became awkward is because the certainty of what happened didn’t really hit everyone until almost the end of that show. It’s why Regal and Edge sounded very different in their tributes from everyone else. There’s very little WWE could have done in that situation. If I’m not mistaken, WWE found out Benoit and the family were dead between 4-5pm EST, the show went live at 8pm, and word broke shortly before 9pm that it was a suspected murder/suicide. I believe WWE got a slight heads up before news broke about what was suspected to have happened, but they were definitely well into the show before there was much for details
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 19, 2021 4:53:48 GMT -5
It's common to express "controversial" opinions that run counter to WWE's creative decisions. Examples: "Chad Gable deserves a push," "The Attitude Era was overrated," and "The Iron Man Match at WrestleMania XII may be highly-regarded by both fans and the company, but to me it was a slog and what was up with that 0-0 tie at the end of the time limit?" But I'm here to ask about times when it's controversial to say that WWE got it right. Here's my example: The ending of the Summerslam 2010 main event. To me it seems like everybody complains that WWE got this one wrong and that Nexus should have won. But I disagree with that disagreement. To have a team with Cena, Edge, Jericho, Hall of Famer Bret Hart, and Daniel Bryan (the best member of the Nexus in the first place) lose to a team that included Michael Tarver, Darren Young, Justin Gabriel, Heath Slater, and David Otunga would have been ridiculous and it would have buried the members of Team WWE. And as for Wade Barrett, who probably would have benefited most from a Nexus victory, the guy was pushed way too fast anyway and didn't look credible in his title feuds because he wasn't ready, not because he didn't win the main event of Summerslam after less than three months on the main roster. I say it was the right decision to quell the Nexus at Summerslam 2010, what are some situations where you feel alone in saying WWE was right? I disagree with The Nexus losing to Team WWE, because the whole point of the build to that match was that Nexus was a united front, operating as greater than the sum of their parts. Team WWE was a dysfunctional mess with Edge and Chris Jericho only looking out for themselves, Bret Hart having only had one match in the last decade, and a mystery partner in Daniel Bryan who could have been a Nexus mole for all they knew, plus the way they led Miz to think he was the seventh man ended up biting them in their ass. The fact that Cena ended up winning the match despite his team falling apart halfway through the match was bad enough, and then there's the fact that SuperCena no sold a DDT ON CONCRETE is exactly the sort of thing that justified every boo he ever got in his career. No, that’s ridiculous. One hard DDT isn’t some horrible disgraceful thing on the level of Katie Vick or any of the nonsense Russo did. The Team WWE win was simply them wanting to send the kids in the audience home happy, nothing more. Like, if you’re gonna get mad at the DDT on the outside, then you may as well say the same about Liger hitting his brainbuster on Will Ospreay on the outside, and still going on to lose.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 19, 2021 5:00:38 GMT -5
Here’s another one: Asuka’s booking on the main roster. Yeah, I’m generally okay with it. She could look stronger at certain points, for example I thought that one time she got distracted by a lame Ellsworth trick was bad for her. But I don’t mind Charlotte, Becky, Banks or others getting wins off her now and then, because she still gets to beat plenty of people and win some titles in her own right. Her being booked as a dominant character in NXT and early on Raw/Smackdown was fine, but I don’t need her to forever be constantly Goldberging everyone in her path.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on May 19, 2021 5:15:20 GMT -5
Here’s another one: Asuka’s booking on the main roster. Yeah, I’m generally okay with it. She could look stronger at certain points, for example I thought that one time she got distracted by a lame Ellsworth trick was bad for her. But I don’t mind Charlotte, Becky, Banks or others getting wins off her now and then, because she still gets to beat plenty of people and win some titles in her own right. Her being booked as a dominant character in NXT and early on Raw/Smackdown was fine, but I don’t need her to forever be constantly Goldberging everyone in her path. Yeah I've never got the poor Asuka complaints. I mean yeah she looked dumb during that Carmella feud, but other then that she's been champion a few champions and has always been decently protected throughout her run. There's plenty of others that they've done dirty by a lot more. One thing I've also always noticed Asuka when it comes to her booking is that she never job's to non main eventer woman. I think one time she did a job for Mandy Rose to set up a PPV match but that's about it. All of her other losses it seems have been to other woman that are high on the totem pole (Charlotte, Becky, Sasha, Nia, Alexa). Becky, Sasha, and even Charlotte have all had upset losses to women far below their station at one point or another. However it seems like you never see Asuka slip on a banana peel and get rolled up by a Peyton Royce or a Sonya Deville. Granted she always sells for girls like that and will usually give them a good competitive match but she never really actually loses to them.
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Post by thegame415 on May 19, 2021 9:38:33 GMT -5
Punk not winning at NoC 2011.
He should've won a rematch at Hell in a Cell, or even bigger, WrestleMania.
However, I think booking him to lose to HHH was the right call.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 19, 2021 9:49:02 GMT -5
Punk not winning at NoC 2011. He should've won a rematch at Hell in a Cell, or even bigger, WrestleMania. However, I think booking him to lose to HHH was the right call. It's also important to remember that people always point at that match like HHH won with a Pedigree clean as a sheet and brush off the fact that the match had several run-ins by Truth/Miz, Nash and John Lauriantis.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 19, 2021 10:24:50 GMT -5
WWE running a Benoit tribute show for Raw the Monday after THAT weekend. Many said it was in very poor taste, but they had no clue as to what had actually happened. They would have never aired the tribute had they known at the time the seriousness of the matter. I’m probably misremembering but, I feel like the reason it became awkward is because the certainty of what happened didn’t really hit everyone until almost the end of that show. It’s why Regal and Edge sounded very different in their tributes from everyone else. There’s very little WWE could have done in that situation. They should just ran an RIP graphic and waited until they had more information
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Post by fw91 on May 19, 2021 10:32:20 GMT -5
WWE running a Benoit tribute show for Raw the Monday after THAT weekend. Many said it was in very poor taste, but they had no clue as to what had actually happened. They would have never aired the tribute had they known at the time the seriousness of the matter. I’m probably misremembering but, I feel like the reason it became awkward is because the certainty of what happened didn’t really hit everyone until almost the end of that show. It’s why Regal and Edge sounded very different in their tributes from everyone else. There’s very little WWE could have done in that situation. Yeah and Vince pretty much apologized for it the next night before ECW
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 19, 2021 10:35:52 GMT -5
Here’s another one: Asuka’s booking on the main roster. Yeah, I’m generally okay with it. She could look stronger at certain points, for example I thought that one time she got distracted by a lame Ellsworth trick was bad for her. But I don’t mind Charlotte, Becky, Banks or others getting wins off her now and then, because she still gets to beat plenty of people and win some titles in her own right. Her being booked as a dominant character in NXT and early on Raw/Smackdown was fine, but I don’t need her to forever be constantly Goldberging everyone in her path. And really you could argue Asuka's booking in NXT hurt the credibility of Ember when she became champ because she never got the win her story called for. Plus it goes with something Kevin Nash said in talking about Goldberg "when your gimmick is you don't lose it eventually becomes hard to book an interesting story. Because once you lose you don't have much else going for ya"
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 19, 2021 11:31:53 GMT -5
Here’s another one: Asuka’s booking on the main roster. Yeah, I’m generally okay with it. She could look stronger at certain points, for example I thought that one time she got distracted by a lame Ellsworth trick was bad for her. But I don’t mind Charlotte, Becky, Banks or others getting wins off her now and then, because she still gets to beat plenty of people and win some titles in her own right. Her being booked as a dominant character in NXT and early on Raw/Smackdown was fine, but I don’t need her to forever be constantly Goldberging everyone in her path. And really you could argue Asuka's booking in NXT hurt the credibility of Ember when she became champ because she never got the win her story called for. Plus it goes with something Kevin Nash said in talking about Goldberg "when your gimmick is you don't lose it eventually becomes hard to book an interesting story. Because once you lose you don't have much else going for ya" Exactly. I am ok with a dominant wrestler for a period, because that Tyson factor made Goldberg a star. But it couldn’t go on without an end goal, whenever it was the right time to break it against Nash, Bret, Booker, Sting, DDP or whoever. Did Charlotte absolutely need that WM34 win? Who knows, but it was a helluva match and I felt both her and Asuka gained from it. They tore the roof off the place, and then months later Asuka got a win over a very hot Becky in a huge stadium Rumble.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2021 14:50:39 GMT -5
Vince gets the releases right almost all the time, like they are vindicated 9/10 times when they cut people. Most of them are nothing without WWE machine behind them and only the hardworking ones succeed in the end. Probably greater than 9/10, EC3 (first release), Juice Robinson (who I think requested his release) and Moxley (waited for contract to expire) are the only ones who've left the company in recent years and gone onto bigger things in the wrestling world. Rusev/Miro and Deonna Purrazzo might make them look silly in the future but for now it's hardly WCW seeing nothing in Austin level.
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