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Post by Ryushinku on Aug 2, 2021 11:36:14 GMT -5
We need a tan check, stat.
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Post by Glitch on Aug 2, 2021 17:31:00 GMT -5
It's not a bad comparison, but I see it way more as the Empire Strikes Back of AEW. Hangman and the Dark Order have been dealt a blow, and now we find out how they bounce back.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 2, 2021 17:41:24 GMT -5
I feel like the Bucks are what really make this whole storyline intolerable. The Kenny shit's a drag too but at least he's willing to look vulnerable and desperate, the Bucks when forced to fight on their own terms just shrug off everything while being vastly more obnoxious about it. Doesn't really help that I'd probably call them the single least interesting tag team in the division right now, like even if the belts were on a team I don't really care about like the Best Friends or Mox & Kingston I feel like the division would instantly improve just for having somebody else on top.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Aug 2, 2021 18:43:05 GMT -5
It’s a veeeery thin line they seem to be walking. I mean, if Page is taking time off for the birth of his baby then cool. But if that is the case, and of course that might not be it, why build up this past month with all this cool stuff and promos with the Dark Order when you KNEW Page wouldn’t be there to win? If you knew this, why not just do Christian vs Omega build up off Jungle Boy’s loss to Omega back in June? It gives Christian a clear cut reason to go after Kenny because he dastardly beat the young guy he respects, it gives Jurassic Express a reason to not only neutralize the Elite, but a clear story with the Bucks to face them for the tag titles.
Of course Christian’s not gonna win, but at least with what I said above, you could have actually save all this Dark Order with Page vs Elite stuff for the build to Full Gear.
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Post by Edge of Insanity on Aug 2, 2021 21:19:56 GMT -5
Christian Cage getting the title match is as much of a letdown as when they hyped up a huge signing and it ended up being Christian.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 21:40:27 GMT -5
It’s a veeeery thin line they seem to be walking. I mean, if Page is taking time off for the birth of his baby then cool. But if that is the case, and of course that might not be it, why build up this past month with all this cool stuff and promos with the Dark Order when you KNEW Page wouldn’t be there to win? If you knew this, why not just do Christian vs Omega build up off Jungle Boy’s loss to Omega back in June? It gives Christian a clear cut reason to go after Kenny because he dastardly beat the young guy he respects, it gives Jurassic Express a reason to not only neutralize the Elite, but a clear story with the Bucks to face them for the tag titles. Of course Christian’s not gonna win, but at least with what I said above, you could have actually save all this Dark Order with Page vs Elite stuff for the build to Full Gear. I'm trying really hard no to be a sour grapes boo-boo face fan, but if Cage is in the main event, then I'm not buying All Out. It's really that simple. Cage 99.9% isn't winning that match, and there's no point in paying money to watch a foregone conclusion. If Hangman was going to take time off to be with his newborn child, then great. There are more things in this life than wrestling, and good on him for recognizing it and taking the time. It just makes it even more baffling as to why you would heat him up and tease the match at all, because you can only cry wolf so many times before people stop caring.
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Post by sportatorium on Aug 4, 2021 10:48:25 GMT -5
I think Hangman has been kidnapped back into the WWE bubble and is being forced to watch 205 live again. Since the Eite are now heels, they are content to leave him there. Long term storytelling...
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Post by Blade on Aug 4, 2021 23:34:14 GMT -5
After tonight, it astonishes me that there are still people that doubt the endgame is Hangman beating Omega at All Out. WWE really changes people, I guess?
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Aug 4, 2021 23:56:42 GMT -5
After tonight, it astonishes me that there are still people that doubt the endgame is Hangman beating Omega at All Out. WWE really changes people, I guess? I love that they’re aware that people HAVE that WWE PTSD, and play into it with the Christian as #1 contender. It makes it sweeter when things turn out great and you remember Vince ain’t running this shit.
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Post by Glitch on Aug 5, 2021 7:33:29 GMT -5
This confirms they're continued feud, but I'm still wondering how is Hangman gonna go back up the ladder. Is he gonna have some gauntlet match to rack up his wins?
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Post by khali on Aug 5, 2021 7:41:43 GMT -5
After tonight, it astonishes me that there are still people that doubt the endgame is Hangman beating Omega at All Out. WWE really changes people, I guess? I love that they’re aware that people HAVE that WWE PTSD, and play into it with the Christian as #1 contender. It makes it sweeter when things turn out great and you remember Vince ain’t running this shit. I actually don’t like this aspect of it. It has a working the fans element to it. By doing it, part of the story is about the booking now. I don’t need them working us to make it look like bad booking is going on. That’s just weird. Hangman’s story doesn’t need that.
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Post by King Devitt on Aug 5, 2021 7:45:08 GMT -5
Christian Cage getting the title match is as much of a letdown as when they hyped up a huge signing and it ended up being Christian. 100%
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 5, 2021 8:19:22 GMT -5
After tonight, it astonishes me that there are still people that doubt the endgame is Hangman beating Omega at All Out. WWE really changes people, I guess? I try to be fair about this, since for mainstream wrestling fans of a certain age the sense of "we can't have anything nice" goes really deep; WCW's main event scene did it all through the last few years of its existence, and TNA did it more times than I care to count. Still, WWE's status as the only big game in town for so many years did, I think, make people internalize a lot of their tropes and just accept them as "that's what standard wrestling booking is", even sometimes on a subconscious level, despite the fact that their kind of booking is actually the exception across the wider industry rather than the rule. The idea of leaving your audience miserable is just not something the vast majority of wrestling promotions would ever take seriously, since they realize how badly that can end up hurting business. Side note, but I wonder how much of the mainstream wrestling trend of "deny the crowd many happy moments" stems from the prime time TV format, and those companies convincing themselves that they need to snuff out a lot of positive developments out of fear that without the hook of a greater danger threatening the good guys that people just won't come back and watch the next week. I mean, it's kind of ridiculous, since people always came back to watch more of Austin vs. McMahon all while Austin usually came out on top at most Raws, and a lot of WCW's nWo-centric booking stemmed more from backstage creative arguments than a clear overriding philosophy (or so it seems from the outside), but I do find the differences between "TV-based" and "live events-based" promotions pretty fascinating, and it feels like AEW tries to walk the line between them.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Aug 5, 2021 8:23:11 GMT -5
After tonight, it astonishes me that there are still people that doubt the endgame is Hangman beating Omega at All Out. WWE really changes people, I guess? Yeah, WWE screwed with a lot of people’s emotions. Heck, TNA was almost the same way, if not worse. And that was supposed to be the alternative.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Aug 5, 2021 8:26:55 GMT -5
Yeah, WWWE does it regularly, WCW made it infamous, old school ROH did it regularly, TNA did it regularly. Striking when the iron's hot isn't as easy as people think for wrestling promotions.
Peak CHIKARA was actually pretty good with this.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Aug 5, 2021 8:35:00 GMT -5
Yeah, I think I’m this case, it’s probably partly due to wrestling ptsd and being so invested in this storyline that people doing know for sure what’s going to happen. And some people don’t like that, because AEW generally has been predictable at times. That’s not bad at all mind you, I don’t think we as AEW are used to a storyline being a roller coaster ride.
When you add those elements you have a very tense fan.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 5, 2021 8:47:09 GMT -5
After tonight, it astonishes me that there are still people that doubt the endgame is Hangman beating Omega at All Out. WWE really changes people, I guess? Meltzer doubled down on it not being Page at All Out. He thinks it’s Christian. And he also said they should run Omega vs. Danielson and Omega vs. Punk before Kenny drops the title...
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Aug 5, 2021 13:26:51 GMT -5
And he also said they should run Omega vs. Danielson and Omega vs. Punk before Kenny drops the title... ...aren't those matches that don't need the AEW title involved? Omega didn't cross Danielson's or Punk's paths when all of the involved people were at their peaks, fans are going to be positively tumescent at those matches happening no matter the stakes.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 5, 2021 13:33:55 GMT -5
And he also said they should run Omega vs. Danielson and Omega vs. Punk before Kenny drops the title... ...aren't those matches that don't need the AEW title involved? Omega didn't cross Danielson's or Punk's paths when all of the involved people were at their peaks, fans are going to be positively tumescent at those matches happening no matter the stakes. I guess having the belt involved allows you to market those matches as the main events of the shows they'd be on with no reservations whatsoever, and creatively the idea could be to have them against current "belt collector/megalomaniacal egoist" Kenny which kind of requires the belt, but yeah, in a vacuum you could sell tons of tickets to either match without the belt involved, too.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 5, 2021 13:41:30 GMT -5
And he also said they should run Omega vs. Danielson and Omega vs. Punk before Kenny drops the title... ...aren't those matches that don't need the AEW title involved? Omega didn't cross Danielson's or Punk's paths when all of the involved people were at their peaks, fans are going to be positively tumescent at those matches happening no matter the stakes. It'd be like running Bret Hart vs. Hulk Hogan at Starrcade '97. Yeah, technically, it's the biggest possible match to run, but there had been ages of build for Sting, specifically. It's a promoter mindset, which I think Meltzer buys into, that a match's bigness is quantified by the measured star power of both participants, and a belt is always a plus to that equation. What AEW has done is present a narrative in which the belt is a macguffin with specific meaning to a specific wrestler, who also has a specific emotional dynamic with the current champion - and the intensity of that narrative has been brought to a boil by a pair of long title reigns by World and Tag champions who are, in fact, really good at being intensely despicable, with their most loathsome behavior directed to the hero who wants the belt and emotional vindication for how they have treated him. At that point, it's a bad idea to treat any of the figures in that drama as replaceable.
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