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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Aug 2, 2021 4:02:30 GMT -5
I'm telling you. This fall is gonna be very surreal to witness.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 4:04:52 GMT -5
If he stays, I can't imagine it'd be on the cheap. As much as blow as it'd be to NXT for him to leave, there isn't really much of anything left for him to do if he did stay, and if they called him up, he'd presumably want a raise. Given what WWE's doing, cutting big contracts, etc, I don't really see why they'd be interested in throwing money at him to say. I do imagine Triple H and HBK wouldn't be thrilled, obviously, but I don't think they'd be able to fault him, either, if he does walk. Yeah, I'm putting a biiiiiiiig downside guarantee in my contract if I stay with NXT. Either way, I imagine HHH is pulling out tufts of his beard with the firing spree the WWE has going on. Dude's been put in charge of building WWE's future, and Vince/Khan are hell-bent on making the present look like a wasteland.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 2, 2021 4:09:51 GMT -5
If he stays, I can't imagine it'd be on the cheap. As much as blow as it'd be to NXT for him to leave, there isn't really much of anything left for him to do if he did stay, and if they called him up, he'd presumably want a raise. Given what WWE's doing, cutting big contracts, etc, I don't really see why they'd be interested in throwing money at him to say. I do imagine Triple H and HBK wouldn't be thrilled, obviously, but I don't think they'd be able to fault him, either, if he does walk. Yeah, I'm putting a biiiiiiiig downside guarantee in my contract if I stay with NXT. Either way, I imagine HHH is pulling out tufts of his beard with the firing spree the WWE has going on. Dude's been put in charge of building WWE's future, and Vince/Khan are hell-bent on making the present look like a wasteland. I feel like Cole will be less of a bitter pill to swallow than some, given he at least pretty much wrung him out in NXT, with not much of anything left to do, but it's still obviously a blow if he walks. Sure, it maybe opens up a spot for some of the guys to maybe move up the card, but that is something they've already been trying to do since Keith Lee left, and an heir apparent hasn't surfaced yet for these spots.
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Post by cfbsicko on Aug 2, 2021 4:11:07 GMT -5
Dude 100% wants to be back with his wife.
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Post by Totorob101 on Aug 2, 2021 4:14:43 GMT -5
If he has any ambition in wrestling he needs to get out now,he won't have any 90 day clause when he gets released from.the main roster after months of misuse and neglect,he has the perfect chance to leave,screw NXT which is going downhill itself now,screw triple H,a man who defends people like Velveteen Dream,and go make a great career in the various options out there!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 4:19:24 GMT -5
I do feel he's better off leaving.
But man, does it suck that the guy in charge is a huge asshole, because there are so many interesting feud possibilities for Cole on the main roster.
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Post by Facetious on Aug 2, 2021 4:19:40 GMT -5
It's an absolutely smart move on Cole's part. He either runs out of things to do in NXT and spins his wheels or jumps to the main roster and does nothing of note.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 2, 2021 4:28:56 GMT -5
I'm telling you. This fall is gonna be very surreal to witness. Only the potential ideas have wrestling fans minds racing. With AEW and the alternative scene crossing over with one another and allowing to much talent synergy and interaction... it's no surprise to be we're seeing a huge shift in the wrestling world right now. The shock to me is it's all happening right as fans are back like the cork flying off a bottle of wine. It's incredible and who knows what the hell is next
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 2, 2021 4:33:17 GMT -5
Adam Cole is just a natural fit it AEW but it is an interesting question. At some point they will have to pass on a big name. I think that applies more to Braun and Bray though, they're both less natural fits. Cole would come in and immediately feud with The Elite, whereas Bray and Braun aren't real tight fits for AEW. I think they'd be better suited in ROH or Impact. Hell with MLW trying to relaunch Lucha Underground, why not show up there? Wyatt has a very potential clean fit with The Dark Order either against or making them his own. However if they let Bray go somewhere else but still got Cole I can't say they'd lose out considering the talent that already seems ready to debut within the coming months. If Bray doesn't show in AEW he could show up in Impact which I think would have the most appeal for him. In MLW he'd become the instant eye catcher and a top star of the brand though so that could be appeal for him too. Essentially WWE's loss is wrestling's gain at this current time.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Aug 2, 2021 5:20:01 GMT -5
From Fightful: There was an assumption internally that Cole's WWE contract expired in December, but WWE sources have reached out and noted that they became aware that the deal was actually up in early July.
How do they not know when contracts expire?
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Aug 2, 2021 5:31:37 GMT -5
I mean I'm agreeing with most said. I say there more than 50% chance he leaves. Mainly because he done everything he could in NXT. So to keep him interested whats left? WWE talking about the budget cuts all the time. We if he wants a raise and by all accounts deserves one, more so if they decide to call him to the main roster. Than what happens? I mean the twitch channel he created is very large and loves it. The other factor is of course AEW loves him and Brit Baker being there who is being pushed to the moon. I don't see Brit ever going to WWE because of her Dental Practice. If Cole wants to be with her more, it seems like it would make sense to jump.
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Post by eJm on Aug 2, 2021 5:39:32 GMT -5
From Fightful: There was an assumption internally that Cole's WWE contract expired in December, but WWE sources have reached out and noted that they became aware that the deal was actually up in early July. How do they not know when contracts expire? Like, not being funny, but if you have billions saved up, you'd think someone would have hired people that were thorough about this stuff to make sure there aren't wild assumptions to be made about contracts you're paying money for. It'd be like if Disney thought that Florence Pugh's deal was for 2-3 MCU movies but was actually only for one and they didn't think to look into it. It wouldn't happen.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Aug 2, 2021 5:42:31 GMT -5
If he doesn't want to be NXT 4 evz then he probably should leave. I don't think he'll never make it big on Raw or SD.
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Post by freeze Austin on Aug 2, 2021 5:51:30 GMT -5
I know it shouldn't be surprising since the guy in charge is a lunatic, but I'm just in awe that they could really blow it with Cole. He was always an indie guy that stood out to me as someone they'd actually like on the main roster and Vince could semi-get behind/learn to love similar to Punk and Rollins. I'm really confused at a lot of the recent moves WWE has made or allowed to happen. Are they trying to overload AEW with talent so that their fans start to get upset about guys they like not getting pushed, too?
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Post by eJm on Aug 2, 2021 6:20:03 GMT -5
I know it shouldn't be surprising since the guy in charge is a lunatic, but I'm just in awe that they could really blow it with Cole. He was always an indie guy that stood out to me as someone they'd actually like on the main roster and Vince could semi-get behind/learn to love similar to Punk and Rollins. I'm really confused at a lot of the recent moves WWE has made or allowed to happen. Are they trying to overload AEW with talent so that their fans start to get upset about guys they like not getting pushed, too? To me what makes it slightly crazier is that they've spent all this time hoarding talent so then somewhere like Impact or smaller places like ROH, CZW, GCW etc wouldn't potentially grow bigger from getting named talent and such and January 2019 they were having bidding wars and signing people to bumper contracts and the like but then AEW got bigger and this was the time they decided "I guess it's firing time" and the next thing you know, AEW, ROH, Impact and others are stocked full of former WWE guys basically showcasing what the company was doing wrong and not all of them are past their 90 day periods yet. Like, one of the biggest stories this year is Matt Cardona beating Nick Gage in a deathmatch and you can't help but think that Vince wouldn't have let that happen in 2019. Zero chance.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 6:29:11 GMT -5
On a related note, while I'm not even as anti-Vince as some internet wrestling folks are, I still find it hilarious how Vince is making fun of the fact that WCW and AEW have gotten "their" talent, and gotten popular with "their" stars, as if the WWF is the one company in wrestling history that has created organic stars of their own. How many of the WWF's big stars during the national expansion were from elsewhere lol? Hogan, Jake, Savage, throw in Hennig, hell throw in even Bret from the Stampede buyout. Rude. Heenan - instrumental in getting over the heels who went up against Hogan. The list goes on and on. Sure, you could argue that guys like Bret weren't household names when the WWF got them, but Hogan absolutely was a star in Japan and in the AWA before signing with Vince. Hell, Hogan had already starred in Rocky 3. So, Vince making light of a company using their stars is the pot calling the kettle, well, pot. In more recent years, Big Show, Jericho? Not to mention the WWF copied the entire flashy rock'n'roll sports entertainment presentation from World Class.
And then in 1997 they copied the TV presentation from Bischoff who revolutionized how wrestling TV worked in 1995. And they're still using the exact same presentation because the company has been unable to evolve since February of 1997.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 2, 2021 7:05:57 GMT -5
On a related note, while I'm not even as anti-Vince as some internet wrestling folks are, I still find it hilarious how Vince is making fun of the fact that WCW and AEW have gotten "their" talent, and gotten popular with "their" stars, as if the WWF is the one company in wrestling history that has created organic stars of their own. How many of the WWF's big stars during the national expansion were from elsewhere lol? Hogan, Jake, Savage, throw in Hennig, hell throw in even Bret from the Stampede buyout. Rude. Heenan - instrumental in getting over the heels who went up against Hogan. The list goes on and on. Sure, you could argue that guys like Bret weren't household names when the WWF got them, but Hogan absolutely was a star in Japan and in the AWA before signing with Vince. Hell, Hogan had already starred in Rocky 3. So, Vince making light of a company using their stars is the pot calling the kettle, well, pot. In more recent years, Big Show, Jericho? Not to mention the WWF copied the entire flashy rock'n'roll sports entertainment presentation from World Class. And then in 1997 they copied the TV presentation from Bischoff who revolutionized how wrestling TV worked in 1995. And they're still using the exact same presentation because the company has been unable to evolve since February of 1997. Yeah, as Meltzer said about it, Vince came off as ignorant of his own company's history making a jab like that. WWE has always used stars from elsewhere, which is fine, obviously, but it should be owned up to. Most of his stars came to him as stars, either from other territories or from his father's tenure. Ultimate Warrior springs to mind as one of his first stars built, considering it wasn't like Dingo Warrior was this enormous name when he got him. Also, you had Ted DiBiase, who WAS already a star, but Vince gave him the Million Dollar Man gimmick, telling him that it was the gimmick Vince himself always wanted to have, so that at least counts for partial credit. As for TV, Vince had taken a lot of inspiration from the Von Erichs for the '80s TV presentation, too, so it was nothing new. In that case, he at least wasn't the only one doing it, pretty much all of the territories took notes on what Fritz was doing.
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Post by eJm on Aug 2, 2021 7:15:19 GMT -5
WWE is basically Real Madrid or SNL or the MCU or Apple or anything else that’s made the most money in its respective medium by using the talents they have and either fitting them together or moulding them to their style.
There’s nothing wrong with that in a broad sense but trying to act like you’re a Mom and Pop operation that grew from the garage is just a weird route to try especially when some of the garage based stories have caveats like “My parents gave me $100,000 to kickstart the business” or whatever.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 2, 2021 7:30:50 GMT -5
WWE is basically Real Madrid or SNL or the MCU or Apple or anything else that’s made the most money in its respective medium by using the talents they have and either fitting them together or moulding them to their style. There’s nothing wrong with that in a broad sense but trying to act like you’re a Mom and Pop operation that grew from the garage is just a weird route to try especially when some of the garage based stories have caveats like “My parents gave me $100,000 to kickstart the business” or whatever. In his case, I think people sometimes overstate the advantage Vince had to begin with, but mostly since they focus on the wrong part. Vince did have to buy WWF (even if the reason he had the money to do it was his father letting him promote shows in Maine or otherwise giving him opportunities. Granted, VJM got the business for his father before him, too...), but his biggest benefit was getting easily the most lucrative territory for infrastructure, something that essentially meant Jim Crockett could never have won unless Vince somehow botched that part of it. Either way, it wasn't rags to riches for the WWF. More like... pretty nice guest towels to riches.
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Post by 06vwgti on Aug 2, 2021 7:34:20 GMT -5
From Fightful: There was an assumption internally that Cole's WWE contract expired in December, but WWE sources have reached out and noted that they became aware that the deal was actually up in early July. How do they not know when contracts expire? Like, not being funny, but if you have billions saved up, you'd think someone would have hired people that were thorough about this stuff to make sure there aren't wild assumptions to be made about contracts you're paying money for. It'd be like if Disney thought that Florence Pugh's deal was for 2-3 MCU movies but was actually only for one and they didn't think to look into it. It wouldn't happen. When you read the glassdoor reviews from the corporate employees at WWE, it sort of becomes an "oh this is why things are a mess". Like it wouldn't shock me if the team in charge of managing and reporting contracts were canned and no one realized it until months later. www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/WWE-Reviews-E5718.htm?sort.sortType=RD&sort.ascending=false&filter.iso3Language=eng
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