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Post by ANuclearError on Aug 19, 2021 12:49:25 GMT -5
Naito becoming Ingobernables during his stint in CMLL salvaged him becoming a main eventer.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Aug 19, 2021 12:56:21 GMT -5
Rhyno had some alcohol issues back in the early 2000s that I think played into his release from WWE the first time around, he had a good run in TNA where he got sober and was doing strong work and then ended up back in NXT before his famous Heath tag run. I think it's probably a combo of promotions but he definitely had a bottom out and come back. I dont know how serious his alcohol problems were. Ive never heard him speak on it but as far as I know he wasnt missing shows, being late, or getting DUIs. He was fired for getting in an argument with his wife (they were having a difficult divorce) and breaking a hotels planter. Not good but not multiple DUIs like we see these days. I see his TNA and NXT run as rehabbing him from his terrible WWE booking.
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Post by RGT 85 on Aug 19, 2021 13:40:10 GMT -5
*Looks at Sting's WWE run* *Looks at Sting's AEW run*
I mean. If Sting ended with that WWE run, I think all of us would have had a sour taste in our mouths.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 19, 2021 13:56:28 GMT -5
Rhyno had some alcohol issues back in the early 2000s that I think played into his release from WWE the first time around, he had a good run in TNA where he got sober and was doing strong work and then ended up back in NXT before his famous Heath tag run. I think it's probably a combo of promotions but he definitely had a bottom out and come back. I dont know how serious his alcohol problems were. Ive never heard him speak on it but as far as I know he wasnt missing shows, being late, or getting DUIs. He was fired for getting in an argument with his wife (they were having a difficult divorce) and breaking a hotels planter. Not good but not multiple DUIs like we see these days. I see his TNA and NXT run as rehabbing him from his terrible WWE booking. Yeah, I thought he was drunk when that argument happened but I may be wrong.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 19, 2021 15:38:07 GMT -5
I dont know how serious his alcohol problems were. Ive never heard him speak on it but as far as I know he wasnt missing shows, being late, or getting DUIs. He was fired for getting in an argument with his wife (they were having a difficult divorce) and breaking a hotels planter. Not good but not multiple DUIs like we see these days. I see his TNA and NXT run as rehabbing him from his terrible WWE booking. Yeah, I thought he was drunk when that argument happened but I may be wrong. The story has changed a few times but I was also always under the impression that he was drunk and also the plant was broken in front of executives
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2021 15:42:15 GMT -5
Not sure if this counts but TNA with Matt Hardy.
He was allowed to reinvent himself with TWO new gimmicks (Broken Matt and Big Money Matt). And he's got to do these gimmicks in WWE and AEW afterwards.
Before this, he was out of shape and had a bunch of other issues and addictions. I was genuinely scared for his wellbeing.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 19, 2021 16:18:20 GMT -5
Not sure if this counts but TNA with Matt Hardy. He was allowed to reinvent himself with TWO new gimmicks (Broken Matt and Big Money Matt). And he's got to do these gimmicks in WWE and AEW afterwards. Before this, he was out of shape and had a bunch of other issues and addictions. I was genuinely scared for his wellbeing. Pretty sure Big Money Matt was RoH not TNA.
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Post by eJm on Aug 19, 2021 16:27:43 GMT -5
Not sure if this counts but TNA with Matt Hardy. He was allowed to reinvent himself with TWO new gimmicks (Broken Matt and Big Money Matt). And he's got to do these gimmicks in WWE and AEW afterwards. Before this, he was out of shape and had a bunch of other issues and addictions. I was genuinely scared for his wellbeing. Pretty sure Big Money Matt was RoH not TNA. Yeah, the timeline was that Big Money Matt came from his first failed TNA run in ROH and that transitioned to his next TNA run when he became Broken Matt. So…in a way, TNA’s incompetence and his own issues, for once, eventually lead to money being made for TNA.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 19, 2021 16:36:17 GMT -5
Pretty sure Big Money Matt was RoH not TNA. Yeah, the timeline was that Big Money Matt came from his first failed TNA run in ROH and that transitioned to his next TNA run when he became Broken Matt. So…in a way, TNA’s incompetence and his own issues, for once, eventually lead to money being made for TNA. Yes, it came after COW BLOOD... Matt <_<
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 19, 2021 16:42:57 GMT -5
Inspired by a post in the casket match thread about how a big company should hire Enzo. MLW more or less made a gimmick out of this. But I don’t know how successful they’ve really been. Didn’t Teddy Hart backslide, Low-Ki still end up being an asshole, and the jury is still out on Dave’s Richards? I don't know if MLW has ever really rebuilt anyone, so much as they were able to manage egos when they were there. You never heard of any of these guys running roughshod during their tenures save for how Teddy Hart's departure went, but they were still the same sex pests and assholes after MLW that they were when they came in. It depends on how you look at it. I do think they helped Harry Smith, but I mean, he had less baggage, anyway, and also the NJPW/NOAH work teaming with Archer that did him good. It's more that they are a place willing to take chances on guys who either haven't had a spot or screwed their spots up elsewhere since MLW keeps a pretty low overhead. It's sort of like a modern Memphis in that respect.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Aug 19, 2021 21:44:20 GMT -5
Yeah, the timeline was that Big Money Matt came from his first failed TNA run in ROH and that transitioned to his next TNA run when he became Broken Matt. So…in a way, TNA’s incompetence and his own issues, for once, eventually lead to money being made for TNA. Yes, it came after COW BLOOD... Matt <_< Wasn't that COW WOOD Matt Hardy?
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Post by J. Hova on Aug 19, 2021 22:13:11 GMT -5
Most of the major ones were taken already so I'll go with less talked about.
Joey Mercury and the WWE (and Punk). Dude was on his ass financially and was doing every drug he could get his hands on. The WWE released him, he started to get clean, Punk paid for his house, and he had a nice run with the SES and as a producer.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 19, 2021 22:15:28 GMT -5
Yes, it came after COW BLOOD... Matt <_< Wasn't that COW WOOD Matt Hardy? It was supposed to say "COLD BLOOD", but the font choice was so awful, I could see either reading of it as being possible.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 19, 2021 22:16:31 GMT -5
would Tony Atlas count here?
I mean the Saba Simba gimmick was super racist and awful... but Vince hired him cause Tony was suffering at the time.
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Post by Triangle Lancer on Aug 20, 2021 0:00:37 GMT -5
would Tony Atlas count here? I mean the Saba Simba gimmick was super racist and awful... but Vince hired him cause Tony was suffering at the time. Tony himself said it saved his life.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Aug 20, 2021 17:54:37 GMT -5
*Looks at Sting's WWE run* *Looks at Sting's AEW run* I mean. If Sting ended with that WWE run, I think all of us would have had a sour taste in our mouths. If he’d just gone over Aitch at Wrestlemania and been allowed to walk out with his head held high, I wonder if he would’ve been interested in an AEW run at all.
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Post by Fundertaker on Aug 20, 2021 18:03:05 GMT -5
NJPW and Shibata. His name was through the mud after the way he exited NJPW, BML failing and the failed MMA career, came back as 2nd banana to Sakuraba in their storyline, got respect back from fans and the roster that was there when he quit and he ended up as one of everyone's favorite until the untimely end of his in-ring career.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 20, 2021 23:41:52 GMT -5
*Looks at Sting's WWE run* *Looks at Sting's AEW run* I mean. If Sting ended with that WWE run, I think all of us would have had a sour taste in our mouths. If he’d just gone over Aitch at Wrestlemania and been allowed to walk out with his head held high, I wonder if he would’ve been interested in an AEW run at all. Sting's never really been one to care about winning or losing. So I doubt it. He probably just didn't like the idea of him going out how the Seth match ended with him looking really broken down from the injury spot.
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Post by Aceorton on Aug 21, 2021 20:01:41 GMT -5
We've missed a huge one here: William Regal.
He was a mess on booze and pills by 1997, had gotten grossly out of shape, got so drunk on a flight that he pissed on a flight attendant and passed out, got fired from WCW and had that horrendous run as the Real Man's Man, which ended with him going to rehab. After his second release from WCW, the WWF rehired him for developmental, which led to the match with Benoit at the Pillman show that earned him an invite back to the main roster. Within months, he was the commissioner, working the top angles, and was one of the company's top hands.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 22, 2021 12:02:25 GMT -5
Bob Backund in 1994
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