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Post by lionheart21 on Aug 22, 2021 15:20:45 GMT -5
They showed an entire video package of the feud minutes before they announced she wouldn't be there. Exactly.Like, I don't know the protocol on stuff but if it's like other sports, they'd do that stuff at the start of the day or even well before gametime to get a diagnosis on if people are ready to play and even on the day, they do it in the morning of the game so they can plan for that player's absense from the team. So regardless of how you spin it, unless there was a big accident WWE doesn't want to tell anyone where Becky just happened to be there ready to go with her new t-shirt and everything and was ready to jump in with this last-minute plan...they hyped a match they knew wasn't going to happen. Yup, which is where a lot of this confusion is stemming from. If they knew in advance that Sasha wasn't cleared to compete, they should have just said that.
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Post by eJm on Aug 22, 2021 15:24:23 GMT -5
Exactly.Like, I don't know the protocol on stuff but if it's like other sports, they'd do that stuff at the start of the day or even well before gametime to get a diagnosis on if people are ready to play and even on the day, they do it in the morning of the game so they can plan for that player's absense from the team. So regardless of how you spin it, unless there was a big accident WWE doesn't want to tell anyone where Becky just happened to be there ready to go with her new t-shirt and everything and was ready to jump in with this last-minute plan...they hyped a match they knew wasn't going to happen. I disagree. The announcement of Carmella as a replacement right after the video package was planned. It deflated the crowd, and they knew it would. Right when the crowd was at its lowest, they hit Becky's music to a thunderous pop. There are ways to do that moment without lying to your audience and promoting a match that wasn't going to happen. Because that's what they did. They lied to them. From everything I said, there was no possible way they didn't check Sasha well before even they opened the stadium to the public because you'd be incompetent if you didn't (or Dixie Carter in the case of Jeff Hardy). They apparently knew between Monday and Friday and could have easily changed the match well before then and even if they were hoping she'd be there on Sunday, they knew she wouldn't be there. Hell, if you can't do the match, change it to a tag and have Becky be the mystery partner or have Carmella get squashed, Zelina and Carmella attack and Becky saves her. There's plenty of other scenarios you could do because, and it has to be said again, they knew well before time she wasn't going to appear.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 22, 2021 16:01:45 GMT -5
Not the case, according to the King of Scoop Style, Sean Ross Sapp. Leads me to believe it may be something irregular in a physical It's those gosh darned Liver Enzymes!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 18:08:17 GMT -5
Maybe shes just bored. Not even 30 yet and has wrestled everyone, won every title, been in all kinds of matches, been face and heel.
I think she signed a golden handcuffs deal a year or so back so chances of a move are slim but I would love to see her go to AEW if only because her very immature twitter stans have AEW derangement syndrome, harboring an unhealthy dislike of Cody and co. Might make them grow up at last.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 22, 2021 19:13:15 GMT -5
Exactly.Like, I don't know the protocol on stuff but if it's like other sports, they'd do that stuff at the start of the day or even well before gametime to get a diagnosis on if people are ready to play and even on the day, they do it in the morning of the game so they can plan for that player's absense from the team. So regardless of how you spin it, unless there was a big accident WWE doesn't want to tell anyone where Becky just happened to be there ready to go with her new t-shirt and everything and was ready to jump in with this last-minute plan...they hyped a match they knew wasn't going to happen. I disagree. The announcement of Carmella as a replacement right after the video package was planned. It deflated the crowd, and they knew it would. Right when the crowd was at its lowest, they hit Becky's music to a thunderous pop. I think they could have split the difference easily. Announce a mystery opponent for Bianca, strongly hint it's Becky Lynch and get people excited, then Carmella's music hits, she comes out with a mic and starts to cut a heel promo on her way down to the ring talking about how the surprise is that eveyrone gets to see her or some shit. Then Becky's music hits, she beats Carmella down, and charges to the ring as the real opponent. That gives you crowd delfaton and the big "Becky will save us" pop without lying.
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Post by eJm on Aug 22, 2021 19:26:11 GMT -5
Also, in a minor point...in kayfabe; everyone not in the ring's an idiot.
People in production played a video for a match that wasn't happening, the commentary hyped a match that wasn't happening, the pre-show panel hyped a match that wasn't happening, Pearce, Deville, whoever was running the show didn't think to tell Bianca it wasn't happening before she went out to the ring, the referee didn't seem to say anything to anyone, the only person who knew that Sasha Banks wasn't going to be in the match was Greg Hamilton. The ring announcer.
How does the ring announcer find this out and not even Bianca or anyone else involved knew? Who the f*** knows?
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Post by Saiyanic Panic on Aug 22, 2021 19:43:12 GMT -5
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Post by eJm on Aug 22, 2021 19:44:30 GMT -5
For those wondering why WWE kept promoting Sasha Banks vs. Bianca Belair when they knew it wasn't going to happen, we are told that the decision was made to keep promoting the bout as a way to make the Lynch return a "bigger" moment, feeling it was a suitable substitution that would catch the fans by surprise. Oh F*** right the hell off! "Sasha isn't appearing on this show for potentially the biggest rematch of the year. IT'S ALL THAT DAMN BIANCA'S FAULT!" - An idiot (likely Vince)
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Post by mattperiolat on Aug 22, 2021 19:56:14 GMT -5
Y’know, until I know more, I’m not mad at Sasha. I dunno what happened with her or what the story is, I’m just glad she’s apparently OK. Who am I mad at? WWE for not being straight. Say right in pre-show “Sasha isn’t here, we wish her well, here is the plan.” OK to be angry but direct anger in the right direction.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 22, 2021 20:01:18 GMT -5
This right here? This is the problem. This has been the problem for 20 years. Vince is laser-focused on a handful of people he's decided are the most important, and he doesn't spare any thought for the damage a move will do to the other person. He just doesn't give a shit. He books for the 'real star' and everyone else is subservient to that fact, and things will happen at them without thought for the consequences because it's not about them and it's weird to him that anyone thinks it would be.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Aug 22, 2021 20:24:19 GMT -5
There’s “card subject to change” and then there’s promoting a match that you literally know ain’t happening all the way to the last second.
The ghetto, lol
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Aug 22, 2021 20:44:29 GMT -5
I disagree. The announcement of Carmella as a replacement right after the video package was planned. It deflated the crowd, and they knew it would. Right when the crowd was at its lowest, they hit Becky's music to a thunderous pop. There are ways to do that moment without lying to your audience and promoting a match that wasn't going to happen. Because that's what they did. They lied to them. From everything I said, there was no possible way they didn't check Sasha well before even they opened the stadium to the public because you'd be incompetent if you didn't (or Dixie Carter in the case of Jeff Hardy). They apparently knew between Monday and Friday and could have easily changed the match well before then and even if they were hoping she'd be there on Sunday, they knew she wouldn't be there. Hell, if you can't do the match, change it to a tag and have Becky be the mystery partner or have Carmella get squashed, Zelina and Carmella attack and Becky saves her. There's plenty of other scenarios you could do because, and it has to be said again, they knew well before time she wasn't going to appear. I was in attendance. Having a hugely promoted match all of a sudden get canceled,to having a very subpar replacement announced and make her entrace, to having the most over person in years return in just a matter of minutes is a feeling I will never have again soon. Sasha v. Bianca was a match I really wanted to see too. I totally get why people are upset, but I personally liked it. The match not so much.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 20:55:13 GMT -5
I'm just gonna keep it short.
Vince is a f***ing idiot. We know he is and he's proving he can't do 2 things at once. Everything related to Bianca, Becky's return is sooooooooo dumb.
And two, idk what's up with Sasha but she's getting a title match at Summerslam so it's probably not related to booking. If it's not a health issue then shit, it ain't our fault for speculation. Unlike with Keith Lee this is confirmed to be non-health issue so, it doesn't look good.
This whole thing's a mess.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 22, 2021 20:58:56 GMT -5
This right here? This is the problem. This has been the problem for 20 years. Vince is laser-focused on a handful of people he's decided are the most important, and he doesn't spare any thought for the damage a move will do to the other person. He just doesn't give a shit. He books for the 'real star' and everyone else is subservient to that fact, and things will happen at them without thought for the consequences because it's not about them and it's weird to him that anyone thinks it would be. Yeah, as I said the crowd were super into the moment and seeing Becky win in a super dominating fashion... the problem is... like it comes at the expense of one of your heavily pushed stars and basically torching future bookings... as why are we supposed to believe that Bianca has a chance against Becky in the future? I mean you could try and just play it off with she was caught by surprise but... that's not really going to satisfy everyone.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 22, 2021 20:59:09 GMT -5
Yeah as I said? Absolute carny trash that they promoted a match that was never going to happen until Bianca was literally in the ring for it. That did not help Lynch one bit. The decision to kill Bianca was absolutely absurd and "To make it all about Lynch" despite what fans would think is EXACTLY why WWE are in this situation that they are in. Digging the hole deeper. Shit is absurd. Like this was such a can't miss moment and they threw that first pitch out there like Nelly. Absolute disaster.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Aug 22, 2021 21:04:09 GMT -5
That would be a nice reason at least. In case anyone is wondering, I am not the father. So, what you're saying is that...Sasha Banks is not your lover, she's just a girl who thinks that you are the one?
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Post by fw91 on Aug 22, 2021 21:11:12 GMT -5
If I may say so, I think that the squash has understandably left such a bad taste in people's mouths (rightfully so) that we are using it to crap on the WHOLE scednario. Imo, assuming Sasha really couldn't perform, I think how they handled it sans squash made complete sense. A big match couldn't happen, so send out Carmella to deflate them, then have the biggest female star after a long hiatus come out to a huge ovation. Hell if they had a normal length match, I really think we'd think about this in a lot better light.
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Post by Starshine on Aug 22, 2021 21:14:51 GMT -5
I look forward to hearing from the apologists about why WWE using false advertising in their business model is actually a good thing.
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Post by sportatorium on Aug 22, 2021 21:32:57 GMT -5
So, Sasha Banks was either not cleared or had some level of understanding that she wouldn't be appearing at Summerslam. WWE decided to promote a match using her in full knowledge of this, and then went on to have the most clumsy, bungling angle possible to promote a return of a hugely popular star that could have been reintroduced in any way possible. End result is a young babyface champion was made to look like a stooge, Carmella was completely buried & speculation around Banks is certainly not positive.
This actually compromises Becky Lynch's return as well. They could have actually told a story if Belair tried to get out of the match or took the cheap shot.
Unreal how bad they handle things.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Aug 22, 2021 21:51:09 GMT -5
I don't know why people are shocked they pulled a bait and switch with Sasha at SummerSlam. They've done it before. Not 1, not 2, but THREE Survivor Series PPVs had bait and switches:
1991: Sid Justice is booked for an Elimination Tag Match against a team led by Jake "The Snake" Roberts. However, about 7 weeks before the PPV, Sid tore his biceps at a live event in Orlando while working with Roberts. The injury would keep Sid out of action until about the 1992 Royal Rumble. WWE began teasing that “Macho Man” Randy Savage, who was in an infamous feud with Roberts, might be Sid’s substitute. However, instead of inserting Savage into Sid’s place (which would’ve been the sensible thing to do), WWE held off on the Savage/Roberts conflict for This Tuesday In Texas, took Roberts out of the match, and turned the match into a 3-on-3 affair instead. And, this was all announced at the beginning of the PPV, after WWE had gotten all the fans’ money.
1999: Stone Cold Steve Austin is booked in a Triple Threat for the WWE Title against champion Triple H and The Rock. However, 9 days before the PPV, Austin had his neck checked out and learned that he would need surgery. But, WWE kept advertising him taking part in the match. He was written out on the show with the hit-and-run angle. The Big Show took his place in the match and won the title.
2008: Just like in 1999, Jeff Hardy was booked for a Triple Threat for the WWE Title. AND, that match had Triple H as the champ defending his title (Vladimir Kozlov was the 3rd man). AND, just like in 1999, Hardy was written out with a story that he was found knocked out, which scared the shit out of everyone as his history of drug problems led everyone to fear the worst. But, TMZ investigated the story and discovered it was all kayfabe. As for the match, Triple H and Kozlov fought a slow, boring match; and then Edge was thrown in at the last minute, instead of in the beginning to make the match watchable, and won the title.
So, I wasn't shocked that to see Sasha written out of the match on the show. Though, I was shocked that it happened at SummerSlam instead of Survivor Series.
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