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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Aug 22, 2021 22:07:03 GMT -5
Don’t know if it has already been posted but…. Available for preorder still
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 22, 2021 22:07:38 GMT -5
This right here? This is the problem. This has been the problem for 20 years. Vince is laser-focused on a handful of people he's decided are the most important, and he doesn't spare any thought for the damage a move will do to the other person. He just doesn't give a shit. He books for the 'real star' and everyone else is subservient to that fact, and things will happen at them without thought for the consequences because it's not about them and it's weird to him that anyone thinks it would be. Yeah, as I said the crowd were super into the moment and seeing Becky win in a super dominating fashion... the problem is... like it comes at the expense of one of your heavily pushed stars and basically torching future bookings... as why are we supposed to believe that Bianca has a chance against Becky in the future? I mean you could try and just play it off with she was caught by surprise but... that's not really going to satisfy everyone. What it does do is just re-plant that nagging seed again for Belair, the one from her NXT run where she just couldn't get over the hump, the one that was thought to be long gone once she'd won the Rumble and won the belt in a WrestleMania main event. She'll get her rematch with Lynch and it'll be competitive, just like the Sheamus v Bryan rematch was. Hell, there's a non-zero chance she could regain the belt with a clean win. But the nagging seed is planted, and there's not a lot left that Belair can do to get that dug out again.
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Post by john84 on Aug 22, 2021 22:19:30 GMT -5
She can't be pregnant, she wasn't wrestling Asuka the Fertility Goddess. That can be arranged...
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Post by Sparvid on Aug 22, 2021 23:40:00 GMT -5
I don't know why people are shocked they pulled a bait and switch with Sasha at SummerSlam. They've done it before. Not 1, not 2, but THREE Survivor Series PPVs had bait and switches: There was also the Taboo Tuesday where fans voted who to go up against Edge and Chris Masters (with Matt Hardy winning one spot, probably since his feud with Edge had just ended with him going to Smackdown) even though they already knew that Edge was injured, and on the PPV he just said that he didn't feel like wrestling and announced Snitsky as his replacement.
And yet Vince likes to talk about how one of the very most important things as a promoter is to deliver on what you advertise.
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Post by chazraps on Aug 22, 2021 23:58:40 GMT -5
Just think: if Becky and Bianca had actually had a match, and it were absolutely amazing (which we have no indication to believe it wouldn't be) we'd all still be buzzing about it regardless of the match's outcome.
There's so many places to go with Becky losing her big return in a classic to the hottest new star, as well as Bianca losing in a classic to the returning top of the division. Either could turn heel in either scenario. Either could have a big comeback redemption story in either scenario. Both character would have grown and evolved in either scenario.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 0:03:34 GMT -5
Don’t know if it has already been posted but…. Available for preorder still *opens package and finds a Becky vs. Bianca SummerSlam shirt instead*
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Post by chazraps on Aug 23, 2021 0:10:33 GMT -5
Don’t know if it has already been posted but…. Available for preorder still *opens package and finds a Becky vs. Bianca SummerSlam shirt instead* Somewhat related, I don't know if I've ever shared this story on here... Last year I ordered a Kassius Ohno shirt from the WWEShop website before they relaunched. In the mail, I received a Karrion Kross shirt. Their customer service is super chill, so they said I could keep the shirt and they would just mail me out a Kassius Ohno shirt. In the mail, I then receive a Kabuki Warriors shirt. Their customer service continues to be super chill and they say that I can keep the shirt and offer me a refund as they don't have the Kassius Ohno shirt in stock anymore. I tell them I appreciate the offer, but send them a link on the website to where the Kassius Ohno shirt can be ordered from, as it was one of their printing on-demand shirts that essentially couldn't be out of stock as it was, you know, printed on demand. In the mail, finally, I received a Kassius Ohno shirt.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Aug 23, 2021 0:14:49 GMT -5
I don't know why people are shocked they pulled a bait and switch with Sasha at SummerSlam. They've done it before. Not 1, not 2, but THREE Survivor Series PPVs had bait and switches: 1991: Sid Justice is booked for an Elimination Tag Match against a team led by Jake "The Snake" Roberts. However, about 7 weeks before the PPV, Sid tore his biceps at a live event in Orlando while working with Roberts. The injury would keep Sid out of action until about the 1992 Royal Rumble. WWE began teasing that “Macho Man” Randy Savage, who was in an infamous feud with Roberts, might be Sid’s substitute. However, instead of inserting Savage into Sid’s place (which would’ve been the sensible thing to do), WWE held off on the Savage/Roberts conflict for This Tuesday In Texas, took Roberts out of the match, and turned the match into a 3-on-3 affair instead. And, this was all announced at the beginning of the PPV, after WWE had gotten all the fans’ money. 1999: Stone Cold Steve Austin is booked in a Triple Threat for the WWE Title against champion Triple H and The Rock. However, 9 days before the PPV, Austin had his neck checked out and learned that he would need surgery. But, WWE kept advertising him taking part in the match. He was written out on the show with the hit-and-run angle. The Big Show took his place in the match and won the title. 2008: Just like in 1999, Jeff Hardy was booked for a Triple Threat for the WWE Title. AND, that match had Triple H as the champ defending his title (Vladimir Kozlov was the 3rd man). AND, just like in 1999, Hardy was written out with a story that he was found knocked out, which scared the shit out of everyone as his history of drug problems led everyone to fear the worst. But, TMZ investigated the story and discovered it was all kayfabe. As for the match, Triple H and Kozlov fought a slow, boring match; and then Edge was thrown in at the last minute, instead of in the beginning to make the match watchable, and won the title. So, I wasn't shocked that to see Sasha written out of the match on the show. Though, I was shocked that it happened at SummerSlam instead of Survivor Series. At least all those were angles. Here, they promoted the match right up to the second Sasha was to come out. Said “Her planet needs her!!” And out came Carmella.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Aug 23, 2021 1:24:48 GMT -5
So Becky winning was to send fans home happy.
I wonder if she loses it back right away.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Aug 23, 2021 1:30:40 GMT -5
For those wondering why WWE kept promoting Sasha Banks vs. Bianca Belair when they knew it wasn't going to happen, we are told that the decision was made to keep promoting the bout as a way to make the Lynch return a "bigger" moment, feeling it was a suitable substitution that would catch the fans by surprise. Oh F*** right the hell off! "Sasha isn't appearing on this show for potentially the biggest rematch of the year. IT'S ALL THAT DAMN BIANCA'S FAULT!" - An idiot (likely Vince) You know who says if you can’t give the fans what you promised, always make the replacement better? The guy who is always screaming about the “dirt sheets”. Bruce Prichard.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Aug 23, 2021 1:40:04 GMT -5
Just think: if Becky and Bianca had actually had a match, and it were absolutely amazing (which we have no indication to believe it wouldn't be) we'd all still be buzzing about it regardless of the match's outcome. There's so many places to go with Becky losing her big return in a classic to the hottest new star, as well as Bianca losing in a classic to the returning top of the division. Either could turn heel in either scenario. Either could have a big comeback redemption story in either scenario. Both character would have grown and evolved in either scenario. You're right. The amount of logic that was abandoned by the booking of Becky and Bianca is mind boggling expected. They could have done at least five different things that wouldn't have been as ridiculous as what they actually did.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 23, 2021 2:00:21 GMT -5
Just think: if Becky and Bianca had actually had a match, and it were absolutely amazing (which we have no indication to believe it wouldn't be) we'd all still be buzzing about it regardless of the match's outcome. There's so many places to go with Becky losing her big return in a classic to the hottest new star, as well as Bianca losing in a classic to the returning top of the division. Either could turn heel in either scenario. Either could have a big comeback redemption story in either scenario. Both character would have grown and evolved in either scenario. It's part of the consequence of being a wrestling show written by someone who hates wrestling. They focus on big shocks and 'moments' that eschew the actual wrestling, and it ends up making for a way less gratifying or entertaining show than if they'd just wrestled. Sure, yeah there's a short term pop from the live crowd. But it's a patern that in the long run hurts it way more, and what could have given the show a real f***ing banger of a match instead became one of the biggest and loudest marks against it.
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Post by eJm on Aug 23, 2021 2:18:25 GMT -5
There are ways to do that moment without lying to your audience and promoting a match that wasn't going to happen. Because that's what they did. They lied to them. From everything I said, there was no possible way they didn't check Sasha well before even they opened the stadium to the public because you'd be incompetent if you didn't (or Dixie Carter in the case of Jeff Hardy). They apparently knew between Monday and Friday and could have easily changed the match well before then and even if they were hoping she'd be there on Sunday, they knew she wouldn't be there. Hell, if you can't do the match, change it to a tag and have Becky be the mystery partner or have Carmella get squashed, Zelina and Carmella attack and Becky saves her. There's plenty of other scenarios you could do because, and it has to be said again, they knew well before time she wasn't going to appear. I was in attendance. Having a hugely promoted match all of a sudden get canceled,to having a very subpar replacement announced and make her entrace, to having the most over person in years return in just a matter of minutes is a feeling I will never have again soon. Sasha v. Bianca was a match I really wanted to see too. I totally get why people are upset, but I personally liked it. The match not so much. I mean, even if you liked it, it doesn’t take away from my point. They knowingly lied to their audience right up to bell time. Like, that’s just a fact regardless of intention when they knew it wasn’t going to happen.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Aug 23, 2021 2:28:00 GMT -5
I actually facepalmed when they said Sasha wasn't cleared to compete.
They've known this for a week but, they still think we're all a bunch of dumb marks. That's what they think of their fans.
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Post by Chiral on Aug 23, 2021 2:37:53 GMT -5
Vince sucks so f***ing much holy shit
just holy f*** how can you be this bad at what you do
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Aug 23, 2021 2:38:01 GMT -5
As far as why Sasha is there, I personally am not going to speculate. People have already gotten in big trouble for doing so without anything to back up their reports.
I just hope she's OK, regardless of what it is.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Aug 23, 2021 2:39:10 GMT -5
Vince sucks so f***ing much holy shit just holy f*** how can you be this bad at what you doTo not even spare a thought about how your booking decisions might affect your champion is baffling for someone like Vince who's been in the industry for nearly his whole life.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 23, 2021 3:03:12 GMT -5
Vince sucks so f***ing much holy shit just holy f*** how can you be this bad at what you doI think Vince doesnt recognize that,as they would speak in comics "a hero is just as amazing as their foes" a.k.a A wrestler is just as good as the people they beat. If you have Becky squash Bianca that just makes Bianca look like Crap,not make Becky look amazing
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 23, 2021 3:50:10 GMT -5
Them going "Oh, we can do THIS weird thing with our booking, it won't hurt anybody"... That "shiny thing" recklessness is what ACTUALLY hurts the company more than anything. It has to be why everyone is so hesitant to buy into any push. It has to be why a wrestler showing any sort of weakness or struggle in the battle in WWE is often seen as a jumping-off point, not as story development. It has to be why, as much as it leads to the kind of scenario that Becky Lynch finds herself in now where there is active resentment for being booked strong, a talent has to be seen to be on top of every match, on top of every promo, on top of every little thing, be on multiple segments of RAW or SmackDown, get all the cool promo lines, be in the main event every week, get sucked off by commentary... Because at any moment it could just be all rendered moot by one bad result, with such ruthless impersonality. This isn't about anything that Bianca Belair did or didn't do. It could've been anyone in her position for all the difference it made. Once upon a time, it WAS Lynch herself. They just wanted to get from Point A to Point B no matter what. It is UTTERLY F***ED. AEW can make a beloved star out of Fuego Del Sol without him even winning a single match, let alone all the other ones they've got that have lost matches clean at times and aren't on TV for 20-30 minutes every single week being overexposed. Literally no other promotion in wrestling has this utter clusterf*** of problems right now.
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Post by jimmyjames on Aug 23, 2021 3:57:31 GMT -5
Vince sucks so f***ing much holy shit just holy f*** how can you be this bad at what you doTo not even spare a thought about how your booking decisions might affect your champion is baffling for someone like Vince who's been in the industry for nearly his whole life. Things like this give me an image of Vince going "Whatever, Whatever, I do what I want. You don't know me!", just like the teenager girls that used to be on "Maury Povich."
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