Why does the WWE hate John Morrison?

[Mecca]

Dude needs to get out...he's more talented than most of the roster and really looked great in other promotions...now he's using a water gun and getting straight jobbed out to Karrion Kross.

I know he went back to help his wife's career but man neither of them are being used well at all.

[Beets by Schrute]

About 10 years ago, I read that Vince did not respect him because of his reluctance to stand up to guys who slept with Melina, his girl at the time.

Also, he snubbed Trish Stratus at Wrestlemania 27 because Melina got in his ear about not liking Trish being in a match instead of her.

There’s also the infamous Kevin Dunn moment about him “flipping, acting, running, and doing the other things that make up our genre.”

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

I knew when he re-signed he was not gonna be used well. I was right but I didn't know I'd be THIS right

He had his run with Miz and now it's over... if I were him I'd be counting the days until he could get out.

[Deleted]

It feels like dude's lost a hundred matches in a row.

[rnrk supports BLM]

How often does somebody leave WWE, reinvent themselves in other promotions to some success, come back to WWE, and then NOT get slotted back into exactly the same dead-end position and gimmick they had in their previous WWE run?

There are exceptions, like Jinder, but for the most part once the old man's come up with his idea for the "right" way to use you, there's nothing you can do to convince him otherwise. We're talking about the same geniuses who brought in the original nWo and couldn't wait to break them up and turn Nash back into pseudo-Diesel, ffs.

[Susan "Poison" Candy]

Sept 6, 2021 23:00:17 GMT -5 @dax said:

It feels like dude's lost a hundred matches in a row.

Sometimes twice in the same night

[Starshine]

Sept 6, 2021 23:15:45 GMT -5 rnrk supports BLM said:

How often does somebody leave WWE, reinvent themselves in other promotions to some success, come back to WWE, and then NOT get slotted back into exactly the same dead-end position and gimmick they had in their previous WWE run?

There are exceptions, like Jinder, but for the most part once the old man's come up with his idea for the "right" way to use you, there's nothing you can do to convince him otherwise. We're talking about the same geniuses who brought in the original nWo and couldn't wait to break them up and turn Nash back into pseudo-Diesel, ffs.

Wait, when did Jinder reinvent himself or have success outside of WWE?

[rnrk supports BLM]

Sept 6, 2021 23:18:43 GMT -5 Starshine said:

Sept 6, 2021 23:15:45 GMT -5 rnrk supports BLM said:

How often does somebody leave WWE, reinvent themselves in other promotions to some success, come back to WWE, and then NOT get slotted back into exactly the same dead-end position and gimmick they had in their previous WWE run?

There are exceptions, like Jinder, but for the most part once the old man's come up with his idea for the "right" way to use you, there's nothing you can do to convince him otherwise. We're talking about the same geniuses who brought in the original nWo and couldn't wait to break them up and turn Nash back into pseudo-Diesel, ffs.

Wait, when did Jinder reinvent himself or have success outside of WWE?

True, he didn't, but he did leave as a jobber and come back as an inexplicable main eventer. I guess we can put that down to a combination of a sudden initiative to target a new demographic and his own, uh, "expanded" physique.

[Mecca]

Sept 6, 2021 23:18:43 GMT -5 Starshine said:

Sept 6, 2021 23:15:45 GMT -5 rnrk supports BLM said:

How often does somebody leave WWE, reinvent themselves in other promotions to some success, come back to WWE, and then NOT get slotted back into exactly the same dead-end position and gimmick they had in their previous WWE run?

There are exceptions, like Jinder, but for the most part once the old man's come up with his idea for the "right" way to use you, there's nothing you can do to convince him otherwise. We're talking about the same geniuses who brought in the original nWo and couldn't wait to break them up and turn Nash back into pseudo-Diesel, ffs.

Wait, when did Jinder reinvent himself or have success outside of WWE?

He found steroids.

[fw91]

cause he got idol'd out in Survivor David vs Goliath.

[Starshine]

Sept 6, 2021 23:23:44 GMT -5 Mecca said:

Sept 6, 2021 23:18:43 GMT -5 Starshine said:

Wait, when did Jinder reinvent himself or have success outside of WWE?

He found steroids.

*Allegedly.

But he came back looking like a pretty regular dude, before his body went all super mutant circa early 2017.

[fw91]

Sept 6, 2021 23:15:45 GMT -5 rnrk supports BLM said:

How often does somebody leave WWE, reinvent themselves in other promotions to some success, come back to WWE, and then NOT get slotted back into exactly the same dead-end position and gimmick they had in their previous WWE run?

There are exceptions, like Jinder, but for the most part once the old man's come up with his idea for the "right" way to use you, there's nothing you can do to convince him otherwise. We're talking about the same geniuses who brought in the original nWo and couldn't wait to break them up and turn Nash back into pseudo-Diesel, ffs.

Drew as well. Point taken, but I'd say your Nash take is a bit off-base. Due to injuries, Hall falling victim to his demons, Hogan getting face reactions, and HBK lead NWO not gaining much traction, it was tough luck. They weren't looking forward to breaking them up as you put it.

[cfbsicko]

Sept 6, 2021 22:55:51 GMT -5 Beets by Schrute said:

About 10 years ago, I read that Vince did not respect him because of his reluctance to stand up to guys who slept with Melina, his girl at the time.

Also, he snubbed Trish Stratus at Wrestlemania 27 because Melina got in his ear about not liking Trish being in a match instead of her.

There’s also the infamous Kevin Dunn moment about him “flipping, acting, running, and doing the other things that make up our genre.”

This is correct. Allegedly he is a cuck and you can only imagine how well that plays in the WWE.

[ayumidah]

Yeaaaaah... I kinda thought when Kross signed with WWE, it might be fun having him and Morrison working together, because I enjoyed their stuff together in TNA, it was kinda interesting, but then tonight happened and oh boy o.O

[Mozenrath]

It's not like I really expected WWE to strap a rocket to him, but they could be doing more than this with him.

He made his bones in his first run and outside of WWE, so I'm sure he could do this for the rest of his career without a second thought, but this is still not using him to his potential.

[Deleted]

Vince probably still think that he a cuck.

[thehottag]

Sept 6, 2021 23:15:45 GMT -5 rnrk supports BLM said:

How often does somebody leave WWE, reinvent themselves in other promotions to some success, come back to WWE, and then NOT get slotted back into exactly the same dead-end position and gimmick they had in their previous WWE run?

There are exceptions, like Jinder, but for the most part once the old man's come up with his idea for the "right" way to use you, there's nothing you can do to convince him otherwise. We're talking about the same geniuses who brought in the original nWo and couldn't wait to break them up and turn Nash back into pseudo-Diesel, ffs.

You have to remember, Vince apparently doesn't have a life outside of WWE. Ask him his favourite NFL player & he'll say 'Wahoo McDaniel'. He once told off Freddie Prinze Jr for watching a stand-up routine on a plane, saying "if you want comedy, watch Santino".

I suspect Vince has the mindset of 'if I don't know it, nobody does' and when Scott Hall & Kevin Nash returned, he thought it was Razor Ramon & Diesel, & so would the fans.

[facethatrunstheplace]

Sept 6, 2021 22:55:51 GMT -5 Beets by Schrute said:

About 10 years ago, I read that Vince did not respect him because of his reluctance to stand up to guys who slept with Melina, his girl at the time.

Also, he snubbed Trish Stratus at Wrestlemania 27 because Melina got in his ear about not liking Trish being in a match instead of her.

There’s also the infamous Kevin Dunn moment about him “flipping, acting, running, and doing the other things that make up our genre.”

Vince also believes that John Morrison can't beat anyone in a fight. John Piermarini a former member of the WWE creative team mentioned this on his blog in 2011.

Here's what he said

“Vince’s philosophy on Daniel Bryan is he isn’t an ass kicker but he can beat you because he can capitalize on your mistakes. In this instance, it works. On the other hand Vince thinks John Morrison can’t kick anyone’s ass in a real fight therefore he can’t be a top babyface. Morrison has the chance to take the ball and run with it, but he is running uphill.”

Credit: wrestling-edge.com

[Starshine]

Sept 7, 2021 3:30:59 GMT -5 facethatrunstheplace said:

Sept 6, 2021 22:55:51 GMT -5 Beets by Schrute said:

About 10 years ago, I read that Vince did not respect him because of his reluctance to stand up to guys who slept with Melina, his girl at the time.

Also, he snubbed Trish Stratus at Wrestlemania 27 because Melina got in his ear about not liking Trish being in a match instead of her.

There’s also the infamous Kevin Dunn moment about him “flipping, acting, running, and doing the other things that make up our genre.”

Vince also believes that John Morrison can't beat anyone in a fight. John Piermarini a former member of the WWE creative team mentioned this on his blog in 2011.

Here's what he said

“Vince’s philosophy on Daniel Bryan is he isn’t an ass kicker but he can beat you because he can capitalize on your mistakes. In this instance, it works. On the other hand Vince thinks John Morrison can’t kick anyone’s ass in a real fight therefore he can’t be a top babyface. Morrison has the chance to take the ball and run with it, but he is running uphill.”

Credit: wrestling-edge.com

So how does that explain The Miz?

[cfbsicko]

Sept 7, 2021 3:43:31 GMT -5 Starshine said:

Sept 7, 2021 3:30:59 GMT -5 facethatrunstheplace said:

Vince also believes that John Morrison can't beat anyone in a fight. John Piermarini a former member of the WWE creative team mentioned this on his blog in 2011.

Here's what he said

Credit: wrestling-edge.com

So how does that explain The Miz?

You mean the guy Vince has only allowed to win the World Title via sneaky MITB cash ins?