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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Sept 7, 2021 7:49:32 GMT -5
-Ruby Soho- one of the most honest and hard working wrestlers that never got a fair shake in WWE. As others have pointed out, Ruby is the first wrestler that made in to Raw or Smackdown to actually sign for AEW. I read this several times but I'm not understanding the second sentence. Any help? She is the first woman to go directly from main roster WWE to AEW. The others came from NXT or had a long time away from wrestling like Deeb.
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Post by sushiburrito on Sept 7, 2021 7:51:35 GMT -5
I read this several times but I'm not understanding the second sentence. Any help? She is the first woman to go directly from main roster WWE to AEW. The others came from NXT or had a long time away from wrestling like Deeb. Ahhh. Thanks. The post just said wrestler with no qualifier so I was like "What about everyone else that was on raw or smackdown?"
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Post by BitterAF on Sept 7, 2021 7:54:23 GMT -5
A lot of people AEW signed were names prior going to WWE and have had subpar runs compared to their abilities.
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on Sept 7, 2021 7:55:34 GMT -5
I read this several times but I'm not understanding the second sentence. Any help? I don't know how true it is, but the point seems to be that Ruby Soho is allegedly the first wrestler from NXT-that-ate-FCW-and-became-popular-amongst-fools (HHH Era NXT) to make it to the main roster of WWF and stay there until she jumped ship to AEW.
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Post by clifford on Sept 7, 2021 8:04:09 GMT -5
-Ruby Soho- one of the most honest and hard working wrestlers that never got a fair shake in WWE. As others have pointed out, Ruby is the first wrestler that made in to Raw or Smackdown to actually sign for AEW. I read this several times but I'm not understanding the second sentence. Any help? Womens wrestler, sorry dawg. Typed it out too quickly and didn't proof read. First female wrestler to make it through developmental and onto the main WWE roster to come to AEW.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 9:00:25 GMT -5
While I do think that AEW's roster is starting to reach a point of bloat, if you can sign CM Punk and Bryan Danielson, you sign CM Punk and Bryan Danielson.
That's the difference between AEW and TNA (the WCW conversation is a complete and total WWE revisionist history nonstarter; WCW was on equal footing with the WWF, and for every Scott Hall and Kevin Nash there was a Marc Mero or Brian Pillman. Or hell, a Steve Austin.) TNA, it really did feel like would sign anyone and everyone who had ever had even a brush with WWE. Guys like Sean Morley, Al Snow, and Tomko truly were "WWE castoffs" put into prominent positions in TNA.
That's a lot different than AEW signing Moxley, Punk, Bryan, and Adam Cole, despite WWE, if reports are to be believed, actively making moves to sign/retain them. Sure, Ruby Soho and Malakai Black were "cut," but, again, they were not viewed as castoffs as much as talented wrestlers who were woefully underutilized. It would be bad business to avoid signing someone just because they happened to previously work for a rival company.
If Mark Henry returns to the ring by squashing Jungle Boy or something, then I guess we should be worried. But, as it stands, I think AEW has done an excellent job blending established "WWE guys" with "AEW guys" like Jungle Boy, Orange Cassidy, Darby Allin, etc...pretty seamlessly.
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Post by sunnytaker on Sept 7, 2021 9:18:18 GMT -5
the best thing i think about all the signings is that it gives AEW enough depth to have one or more of the top of the card guys take a couple weeks off here and there to stay refreshed/rested and still have enough guys that you don't feel like you're getting shortchanged for star power and don't have the same guys having to be out there every single week because no one else has been built up to that level.
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Post by r. on Sept 7, 2021 9:19:24 GMT -5
I think it is, Only WWE is playing the role of WCW
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Post by lucas_lee on Sept 7, 2021 9:32:10 GMT -5
Id be more worried if they snatched up Braun Strowman and other WWE released immediately
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Post by RKTaker on Sept 7, 2021 9:34:25 GMT -5
-Ruby Soho- one of the most honest and hard working wrestlers that never got a fair shake in WWE. As others have pointed out, Ruby is the first wrestler that made in to Raw or Smackdown to actually sign for AEW. I read this several times but I'm not understanding the second sentence. Any help? i think he means first nxt call up but i could be wrong
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Post by eJm on Sept 7, 2021 9:38:59 GMT -5
Id be more worried if they snatched up Braun Strowman and other WWE released immediately And even then, the fact that Impact did and have so far redeemed a lot of them or utilized their strengths is a testament to how much Impact has shaken off the TNA stigma hopefully for good. Like, if they can make Big Cass credible, Braun should be a major asset for them.
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Post by mc74 on Sept 7, 2021 9:40:42 GMT -5
AEW looks to be in a much better spot than WCW and TNA in terms of getting the best out of its talent. Yes, they have a deep roster, but they utilize it to their advantage by rotating characters in & out in order to keep things fresh for the audience. Add to the fact they've got another show on the air with Rampage as well as the deals they've got in place with other companies, that leaves them with a lot of options on the table to work with.
As for wrestlers going from one company to another, this has been said in another thread already by someone else, and it's just the nature of the business. Even WWE themselves have signed wrestlers from other promotions back in the day. Steve Austin, Triple H, Undertaker, Mankind, Razor Ramon, Diesel, Rick Rude, Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero. That's just to name several, and there's more besides.
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Post by eJm on Sept 7, 2021 9:44:46 GMT -5
As for wrestlers going from one company to another, this has been said in another thread already by someone else, and it's just the nature of the business. Even WWE themselves have signed wrestlers from other promotions back in the day. Steve Austin, Triple H, Undertaker, Mankind, Razor Ramon, Diesel, Rick Rude, Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero. That's just to name several, and there's more besides. Hell, the most famous example was Verne Gagne not capitalizing off of the new fame of Hulk Hogan post Rocky III and giving him the AWA title so Vince got him and the rest is history.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Sept 7, 2021 9:51:22 GMT -5
That is such a shallow, tired take. WWE/NXT can hire anyone who has been anywhere (Sting, Samoa Joe, Itami, Styles, Cole, WALTER, etc) with impunity and gets nothing but praise for signing guys who are talented. They've gotten flack mostly for the guys they've sent away; seasoned, proven talent who "fail" at tryouts. Then AEW signs guys like Bryan or Cole who are top 1% talents in the entire industry, which is common practice in legitimately ANY line of work, and they get boiled down to being labeled merely an ex-WWE guy. It's never a two-way street, mainly because so many people in the US only think of North American wrestling in the scope of how it relates to WWE. Well, with moves like these and momentum like this, you won't have to for very much longer. I agree, WWE never seems to get shit for signing TNA guys. How many guys did they raid from Ring of Honor. Almost every ROH champion has been in WWE at some point. And most of those guys won the top titles in WWE. Also I’ll point that while these guys did have runs in WWE, they were not created by WWE. Punk, Bryan, Black, Andrade, FTR, Moxley, Cole, Ruby…we’re already indie stars and had reputations before even joining WWE. Heck some of there stars like AJ Styles, Kevin Owens, Samoa Joe, even Seth Rollins are not WWE creations. You could have an argument that Miro, Hager and even Cody Rhodes were WWE creations, but they’ve reinvented themselves and they are not WWE guys anymore. In WCW, Jim Duggan was still Jim Duggan, Honeky Tonk Man was still the Honkey Tonk Man. What WCW tried to do was re-create, not re-invent.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 7, 2021 10:05:36 GMT -5
I’ll put it simply with a quote from someone on Twitter who does a TNA podcast pretty much to correct the perceptions people have about the company and why it failed for so long; The problem with TNA wasn’t that Kurt Angle beat AJ Styles. The problem with TNA was that Sean Morley beat Christopher Daniels. Pretty much this Christopher Daniels went from a world title program to jobbing to am out of shape Sean Morley... Joe went to losing cleanly to Orlando Jordan. I think a big thing is that in AEW even if a former WWE guy goes over they're built up and also build up their opponent. I also think that AEW story telling is much better than peak TNA and late WCW all well. Also on Nash anything he said as part of a WWE documentary take with a grain of salt. The stuff he's done outside of WWE is much more insightful to why WCW failed. Only thing I've noticed that is overtly wrong is thr timing of Finger Poke of Doom compared to when Goldberg nearly lost his arm
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 7, 2021 10:05:47 GMT -5
I’ll put it simply with a quote from someone on Twitter who does a TNA podcast pretty much to correct the perceptions people have about the company and why it failed for so long; The problem with TNA wasn’t that Kurt Angle beat AJ Styles. The problem with TNA was that Sean Morley beat Christopher Daniels. Additionally, AEW's ticket sales, merch sales, and PPV sales have been much healthier than even peak TNA's were. People will point to higher viewers, which, even if one just compares them without taking into account how much the television landscape and viewership has changed since like 15 years ago, Samoa Joe vs Kurt Angle was their top selling PPV ever, at around 60k buys, with only a handful of other shows coming close, in my understanding. Literally every PPV AEW has put out has handily outperformed Samoa Joe vs. Kurt Angle. 2021 Double or Nothing did around 135k buys, so, more than double. Even taking into account that AEW only does 4-5 PPVs a year, that's still enough to give you an idea of how different their ability to translate viewership into paying customers is than peak TNA's ever was.
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Post by eJm on Sept 7, 2021 10:06:48 GMT -5
Also on Nash anything he said as part of a WWE documentary take with a grain of salt. The stuff he's done outside of WWE is much more insightful to why WCW failed. Only thing I've noticed that is overtly wrong is thr timing of Finger Poke of Doom compared to when Goldberg nearly lost his arm Oh, of course, I don't think Nash really believes that himself (he doesn't seem like that sort of guy these days) but I was more making a reference to the narrative WWE were pushing through it.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Sept 7, 2021 10:17:38 GMT -5
AEW is making a point to only sign extremely talented people. So there’s that.
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Post by nihilismizhawt on Sept 7, 2021 10:29:20 GMT -5
As for wrestlers going from one company to another, this has been said in another thread already by someone else, and it's just the nature of the business. Even WWE themselves have signed wrestlers from other promotions back in the day. Steve Austin, Triple H, Undertaker, Mankind, Razor Ramon, Diesel, Rick Rude, Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero. That's just to name several, and there's more besides. Hell, the most famous example was Verne Gagne not capitalizing off of the new fame of Hulk Hogan post Rocky III and giving him the AWA title so Vince got him and the rest is history. What's amazing about this, and Junkyard Dog, Roddy Piper, Jesse Ventura, Bobby Heenan, Paul Orndorff, the US Express is that none of these people so concerned about AEW signing so many ex WWE wrestlers ever bring up McMahon in 1983 to 1985 raiding territories top stars and claiming he just used them better. Why isnt what AEW is doing now more McMahon's 1983 expansion? Its always WCW and TNA. I also find it funny that everytime AEW has an amazing signing, the same "concern" pops up and people have to repeat themselves. Over and over how its different.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 7, 2021 10:32:38 GMT -5
AEW looks to be in a much better spot than WCW and TNA in terms of getting the best out of its talent. Yes, they have a deep roster, but they utilize it to their advantage by rotating characters in & out in order to keep things fresh for the audience. Add to the fact they've got another show on the air with Rampage as well as the deals they've got in place with other companies, that leaves them with a lot of options on the table to work with. As for wrestlers going from one company to another, this has been said in another thread already by someone else, and it's just the nature of the business. Even WWE themselves have signed wrestlers from other promotions back in the day. Steve Austin, Triple H, Undertaker, Mankind, Razor Ramon, Diesel, Rick Rude, Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero. That's just to name several, and there's more besides. Every era of success the WWE have had has been built on the back of talent that was built up elsewhere, Hogan came into his own in Japan, Piper in Portland, Savage in Memphis, Austin and Foley WCW and ECW, Jericho, Benoit, Guerrero, Mysterio were world travellers who really hit the big time in WCW, Hart was a stampede product, Michaels the AWA, Diesel was a power plant guy, Taker came from WCW too, Razor WCW and the AWA, Hennig too... The first real homegrown stars were the Rock and Angle, successes they've never really replicated despite thousands of attempts.
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