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Post by sushiburrito on Sept 7, 2021 10:34:23 GMT -5
I read this several times but I'm not understanding the second sentence. Any help? i think he means first nxt call up but i could be wrong They clarified they meant first female.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 7, 2021 10:35:27 GMT -5
The one comparison I'd find most salient is the expansion in programming that WCW went through because I know Tony himself has talked about how he likes to book long term and when you're producing an extra hour of TV a week and you want that show to be an A level property, that's hard. It's not as hard as adding Thunder and a third hour of Nitro at once, but it will stretch you a bit creatively and you'll need to find new angles for TV and new ways to extend angles over a longer period of time. Luckily I think that's where having a deep roster and a solid group of people backstage helps a ton. But it's something to be mindful of.
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Post by eJm on Sept 7, 2021 10:35:36 GMT -5
Hell, the most famous example was Verne Gagne not capitalizing off of the new fame of Hulk Hogan post Rocky III and giving him the AWA title so Vince got him and the rest is history. What's amazing about this, and Junkyard Dog, Roddy Piper, Jesse Ventura, Bobby Heenan, Paul Orndorff, the US Express is that none of these people so concerned about AEW signing so many ex WWE wrestlers ever bring up McMahon in 1983 to 1985 raiding territories top stars and claiming he just used them better. Why isnt what AEW is doing now more McMahon's 1983 expansion? Its always WCW and TNA. I also find it funny that everytime AEW has an amazing signing, the same "concern" pops up and people have to repeat themselves. Over and over how its different. Like, as I've gone older, I have less of a "hatred" of that for various reasons (territories were failing themselves, others would have done the same thing in Vince's shoes etc) but the likely reason was that if you were building a national promotion at the time, you'd want people who were known across different territories. So signing Junkyard Dog and Ted Dibiase, two of the biggest stars of Mid-South, and Roddy Piper and Paul Orndorff, two guys who were huge in Georgia and Mid-Atlantic, made absolute sense. You want those fans watching, you get those guys on board. And Hogan was the real lynchpin because, yeah, he was a nationally known name from his role on Rocky III and Gagne not doing right by the guy is a baffling booking decision up there with Vince in 2021 not capitalizing off the fact John Cena was in one of the biggest movies of the summer and only using him for mostly house show appearences.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Sept 7, 2021 10:54:20 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s a problem BUT if Adam Page isn’t the one to beat Omega and of these signings do, I’ll still be mad about it lol
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Post by sfvega on Sept 7, 2021 11:06:53 GMT -5
AEW looks to be in a much better spot than WCW and TNA in terms of getting the best out of its talent. Yes, they have a deep roster, but they utilize it to their advantage by rotating characters in & out in order to keep things fresh for the audience. Add to the fact they've got another show on the air with Rampage as well as the deals they've got in place with other companies, that leaves them with a lot of options on the table to work with. As for wrestlers going from one company to another, this has been said in another thread already by someone else, and it's just the nature of the business. Even WWE themselves have signed wrestlers from other promotions back in the day. Steve Austin, Triple H, Undertaker, Mankind, Razor Ramon, Diesel, Rick Rude, Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero. That's just to name several, and there's more besides. Every era of success the WWE have had has been built on the back of talent that was built up elsewhere, Hogan came into his own in Japan, Piper in Portland, Savage in Memphis, Austin and Foley WCW and ECW, Jericho, Benoit, Guerrero, Mysterio were world travellers who really hit the big time in WCW, Hart was a stampede product, Michaels the AWA, Diesel was a power plant guy, Taker came from WCW too, Razor WCW and the AWA, Hennig too... The first real homegrown stars were the Rock and Angle, successes they've never really replicated despite thousands of attempts.Cena/Orton/Brock/Batista/Reigns?
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Post by xCompackx on Sept 7, 2021 11:30:06 GMT -5
When this topic comes up, the problem is never the new company taking the talent. It's having a spot for them more than "this guy used to be in WWE". And AEW has already done a great job with giving guys their own place on the roster.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 7, 2021 11:44:48 GMT -5
I don’t see it being an issue when they are top tier talent like Bryan, Punk, Cole, Malachi, and Andrade. Those are people you sign no matter what because of the rarity of landing that tier of wrestler still in their prime. Ruby also is a good fit because the women’s division is shallow, especially when it comes to veteran name individuals.
The issue would be more with guys like Show, Henry (if he starts wrestling), Hardy, Jericho now (he’s seemed to decline since the beginning of AEW and his star power is needed less), maybe even Christian although he can still work at a high level, clogging up the show and taking up TV time from the younger homegrown stars. They’ve seemed to manage it pretty well so far but you wonder if they’re reaching the saturation point on that level of “former WWE star” being brought in.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Sept 7, 2021 14:40:33 GMT -5
I feel like most of the ex wwe guys they have had already made a name for themselves on the indies before signing with wwe. And it’s also kinda hard to not snatch up people released from wwe when it seems like they hired 75% of the indies and international wrestlers over the past 5 years.
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Post by freeze Austin on Sept 7, 2021 15:55:21 GMT -5
You don't pass up on signing Punk, Danielson, and Cole, especially when you need credible depth in your main event scene to further build up your brand. Too many big signings weren't the cause of WCW's death, too much horrible creative was.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Sept 7, 2021 16:03:16 GMT -5
You don't pass up on signing Punk, Danielson, and Cole, especially when you need credible depth in your main event scene to further build up your brand. Too many big signings weren't the cause of WCW's death, too much horrible creative was. Yeah, Adam Cole is only 32. You can bank on him being there for years if you want. Obviously way too early to tell, but Cole long term might be the most important pick up for AEW when we're looking back in 10 years. And obviously Punk and Danielson are no brainers
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Post by corndog on Sept 7, 2021 16:57:52 GMT -5
Hell, the most famous example was Verne Gagne not capitalizing off of the new fame of Hulk Hogan post Rocky III and giving him the AWA title so Vince got him and the rest is history. What's amazing about this, and Junkyard Dog, Roddy Piper, Jesse Ventura, Bobby Heenan, Paul Orndorff, the US Express is that none of these people so concerned about AEW signing so many ex WWE wrestlers ever bring up McMahon in 1983 to 1985 raiding territories top stars and claiming he just used them better. Why isnt what AEW is doing now more McMahon's 1983 expansion? Its always WCW and TNA. I also find it funny that everytime AEW has an amazing signing, the same "concern" pops up and people have to repeat themselves. Over and over how its different. I agree, except unlike Vince's expansion, AEW isn't trying to put anyone else out of business. They are working with other companies in the US and around the world. That's why I am happy it's them. Vince McMahon has tried to put every other wrestling company in North America out of business for his entire tenure as owner. Even after WCW, he strip mined ROH and even used NXT to run shows against them. NXT was basically designed to compete with ROH and they weren't even that big of company, they just produced a lot of talent. He never messed with TNA, but he knew he didn't have to, they were a joke. You would think if they could, WWE would try something to stop AEW, but they can't. They would have done something to try and hurt them, but the pandemic really cut into their profits. At the very least, Stephanie and HHH have to see the writing on the wall, Vince will probably go down kicking and screaming. Currently WWE's sole purpose is to just keep on making as much money as possible, while they still can. The only thing that can save them now, is if Vince passes or losses his capacities enough for Stephanie/HHH to take over. But who knows? Maybe HHH signs with AEW So in a way this is very ironic, and thank goodness it happened. I really thought American wrestling was going to die with WWE, but now there is hope for it to continue and grow for many years to come.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Sept 7, 2021 17:10:29 GMT -5
I mean, there is definitely work they have to do in terms of keeping focus on some of their "home grown" talent, and in signaling to their audience that they won't let the shiny new toys dominate everything. How they handle The Dark Order and Orange Cassidy in the near future will be important. But they've already done things like feature The Jurassic Express as equals and allies to the WWE guys, and so they clearly have an eye to it.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Sept 7, 2021 18:18:41 GMT -5
I think people get a bit caught up with the idea of history repeating, for various reasons. What happened with ECW was different from WCW which is different to what happened to TNA. There's no set prescribed life cycle for a wrestling promotion.
Both WWE and AEW have good audiences and f*** load of money behind them. It's a pretty safe bet that neither are going anywhere. As AEW fills out its roster, some guys are going to fall by the wayside or become unhappy with their spot, some of those will then go to WWE. And vice versa.
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