Mozenrath
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 8, 2021 2:30:18 GMT -5
If it's any consolation, I genuinely think that if somehow, some way, Cena popped up in AEW, they'd find something fun for him to do, and people would eat it up with a knife and fork. Like, we're coming off of his Peacemaker performance which was really well received and has spawned a lot of memes. Cena's got a lot of good, even if a lot of people weren't into the Roman feud, which still spawned a solid match. He has joined Bautista and Dwayne as someone who has transcended "wrestler who performs in movies" to genuine crossover appeal.
There's a lot to be happy about as a Cena fan, and I don't feel like AEW fans, by and large, hold the guy real ill will, any more than I'd say most WWE fans despise Kenny Omega or something, even if a vocal contingent of fans certainly don't like him. (Most of his pushback seems to be from people who aren't really keen on either WWE or AEW, often the old school diehards, which, yeah, makes sense.)
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 8, 2021 4:33:49 GMT -5
Also, I need to make this clear: if I want to vent about these experiences I’ve had as a wrestling fan, I’m going to do it. If these threads are upsetting you, you’re thinking “does he need serious help?”, or you’re confused about why I still make them after ten years, well it’s because it’s something that still bothers me from time to time, and I want to get it off my chest.
If you don’t like them, just don’t read or post in them. It’s that simple.
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King Devitt
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Post by King Devitt on Sept 8, 2021 4:43:21 GMT -5
I really wish I knew the magic formula to help Clash not be traumatized by opinion. And not in a mean way, I sincerely wish I knew what words to say that would make them go "oh these people bullied me, they don't matter in the end, I like what I like and others are allowed to not like it, and I can not like what they like, and if they don't like me for it that's fine." And I would never say someone needs therapy, but you're also private messaging people, myself included, because we said mean things about Cena and that makes you unhappy because you're allowed to like Cena. But you were never directly mentioned. You made it about you due to the experiences in the past that feel like they're bordering on trauma. Like, people's hatred of Cena does not correlate to you being a fan of Cena. Maybe in the past when the Cena misery booking was at its height, but in the end you got what you wanted, you got your guy on top for over a decade. Those of us who don't like him had to suffer through it. Many of us left due to it. It wasn't Cena we hated, it was Vince's inability to book competently. And now we're living vicariously through a company that listens to the fans, and books for the fans. We're allowed to be happy, just as you were then, because we waited so long for it and wrestling became not fun for a lot of us. It wasn't as good for you as it could've been due to toxic fans, and that part sucks. Should you have been bullied over it? f*** no. But people don't have to like what you like. It's not healthy, and the Cena fandom borders on obsessive, and to twist the narrative of things to be about your obsession. I wish I knew what to say to help it make sense for you, and to let the past go. The dude isn't even an active wrestler anymore, and I know it's self-expression, and you're feeling a lot of stuff about it, and obviously you're allowed to do that. But again, your PM'ing people because we're being mean to Cena and going off on how you're allowed to like Cena, and now bringing up Cena in different sections that have nothing to do with him. It's not healthy my friend. You have a great group of people here who are listening, and supportive, if anything let that be more important than the mountain of hate you got all those years ago. Let the positive you have here now for you outweigh all the shit you had to wade through in the past. Juat one correction: I would never say someone need therapy. nah,EVERYONE needs therapy.I know what you mean but lets normalize therapy,it is good for everyone. I was referencing more using it as a weapon/in a negative way to demean someone rather than it's intended purpose which is completely fine.
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Post by 4real on Sept 8, 2021 4:47:51 GMT -5
Focus on the stuff in wrestling you enjoy rather than the stuff you don’t I guess. Wrestling fans will always have shit opinions and that will never change. Same with any media.
Football for me right now is frustrating with Chelsea being Champions League winners, England losing in a final & Arsenal being so crap but I still love watching it. Gotta take the rough with the smooth. Do I enjoy reading people take the piss out of Arsenal & revelling in England’s misfortunes? Not really but again just got to hang in there.
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Post by Viking Hall on Sept 8, 2021 4:58:37 GMT -5
Also, I need to make this clear: if I want to vent about these experiences I’ve had as a wrestling fan, I’m going to do it. If these threads are upsetting you, you’re thinking “does he need serious help?”, or you’re confused about why I still make them after ten years, well it’s because it’s something that still bothers me from time to time, and I want to get it off my chest. If you don’t like them, just don’t read or post in them. It’s that simple. ...you realise that John Cena isn't in AEW, right? Or have I totally missed the point?
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King Devitt
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Post by King Devitt on Sept 8, 2021 6:29:17 GMT -5
Also, I need to make this clear: if I want to vent about these experiences I’ve had as a wrestling fan, I’m going to do it. If these threads are upsetting you, you’re thinking “ does he need serious help?”, or you’re confused about why I still make them after ten years, well it’s because it’s something that still bothers me from time to time, and I want to get it off my chest. If you don’t like them, just don’t read or post in them. It’s that simple. You don't see how these two things correlate for some people? You're literally inventing an issue that's not there mate, obsessing over your Cena adoration, and then posting about something that doesn't exist. If you're girlfriend or boyfriend left you, and ten years later you're still sending text messages or DM's on Facebook, or inventing reasons to run into them and make something happen, it's going to be troublesome for everyone not you. Because you're so absorbed in your obsession, and refusing to move on. People are going to respond to that. It's like being stuck in quicksand, complaining your stuck in quicksand, you don't try and get out of it. Then a week later you complain about being stuck in quicksand, people try and help, but you don't really want to get out of it. Then a week later you complain about being stuck in quicksand, and it goes on for ten years, and then when you complain about it after all that time you act like people aren't supposed to react a certain way because you're allowed to complain about being stuck in quicksand even though you make no effort to get out of it because you don't want to. But in this instance, you're walking on the sidewalk, and now complaining about being stuck in quicksand.
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Post by lucas_lee on Sept 8, 2021 6:52:21 GMT -5
Yeah this topic is going off the rails, I hope someone will lock it for Clash s sake because this isnt going to end well.
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Post by Woo on Sept 8, 2021 6:53:25 GMT -5
You should really be angry at the WWE's abysmal handling of John Cena's character over the her years, not the fans that disliked it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 6:55:05 GMT -5
Also, I need to make this clear: if I want to vent about these experiences I’ve had as a wrestling fan, I’m going to do it. If these threads are upsetting you, you’re thinking “does he need serious help?”, or you’re confused about why I still make them after ten years, well it’s because it’s something that still bothers me from time to time, and I want to get it off my chest. If you don’t like them, just don’t read or post in them. It’s that simple. I think that's quite unfair to a lot of people in this thread. There is a fundamental difference between getting something off your chest and repeating unhealthy behaviour. You have discussed this pain constantly for well over a decade. A decade plus of getting it off your chest. To the point you admit it affects your ability to enjoy things. That is objectively an unhealthy mindset. I understand frustration and I understand feeling unheard. But there is a step beyond that and based purely on your history on this forum (after all I and no one else here knows who you are outside this space) you are on that space beyond. Which is not a healthy place to be. There are people in this thread who are genuinely concerned for your wellbeing. If you think that they, or I, are being unfair perhaps consider how we've reached this conclusion. Genuinely and from the bottom of my heart I hope you're ok.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 8, 2021 6:59:26 GMT -5
I’m perfectly fine. And I’m done with the discussion, anyway. I’ve explained how I felt and I don’t plan on dwelling on it anymore.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Sept 8, 2021 7:00:53 GMT -5
Also, I need to make this clear: if I want to vent about these experiences I’ve had as a wrestling fan, I’m going to do it. If these threads are upsetting you, you’re thinking “does he need serious help?”, or you’re confused about why I still make them after ten years, well it’s because it’s something that still bothers me from time to time, and I want to get it off my chest. If you don’t like them, just don’t read or post in them. It’s that simple. These threads would not be up if you didn't have a pink username; this is the same level of absolutely tenuous threadbare linkage as the Zack Ryder/Alex Riley dude from a decade ago who used to shoehorn them into everything. There's really absolutely no reason for this thread to exist, John Cena doesn't work for AEW and never will. I'm not going to tell you to seek help because I don't know anything about your mental health, but I am going to ask you to stop subjecting everyone else to it. It really has been years upon years of this stuff, it's simply very strange.
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Post by eJm on Sept 8, 2021 7:02:32 GMT -5
I’m going to go ahead and lock this. I also do not encourage the discussion continuing via DM on any side.
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