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Post by ANuclearError on Sept 27, 2021 16:03:55 GMT -5
Just remembered the time he was on Take Me Out, a trashy dating TV show in the UK. Basically, he had 30 women who he was being pitched to and when wrestling comes up, a noticeable number just bow out immediately. The clip's aged poorly enough when you leave it at that but Jimmy Havoc was the friend they had to put him over as well. He wasn't the first British wrestler to be on it either, James Wallace/Jay Phoenix was on it too, before he got caught in possession of child porn and wanking in a changing cubicle at a children's swimming pool.
Definitely a pattern emerging here with wrestlers and Take Me Out.
Davey Blaze was also on it, I can't recall if he also has any allegations from Speaking Out. There was the moment he got his lad out in an ICW show mind you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2021 0:38:04 GMT -5
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Sept 28, 2021 0:45:52 GMT -5
I get the logic, but come on, the Marty Scurll you made the agreement with in 2018 is not the same Marty Scurll we have in 2021. He went from one of the hottest stars outside of WWE to a disgraced sexual predator that is getting off on a technicality. If this was Joey Ryan, I can guarantee you they wouldn't even be questioning reigning on the agreement with the new context of how the perception has changed due to Speaking Out.
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Post by BitterAF on Sept 28, 2021 6:34:03 GMT -5
I liked Marty and was happy to watch him in ROH and NJPW, but Marty will very likely not make a livable career in wrestling ever again. He dug his own grave and unless he pops up on a big ROH or NJPW show that I'd watch anyway, I'll never watch him again. With that said, I don't understand how people get up in arms when people try to work. If he's not in jail, people have to work. He might try to wrestle, cash you out at the gas station, deliver your amazon packages. Even registered sex offenders not in jail work and have fun trying to tell their PO why you think they shouldn't. If he chooses to wrestle, don't support the show he's on. I have a feeling some would be in for a rude awakening to find out how many criminals walk and work among you. I work in mental health and have had a number of people over the years with legal histories that make and package everyones favorite holiday candy, work at your favorite pop/chip factory, drives your airport shuttle. Abstain from supporting where you can, fine, but it's hard not support a company that employs people like Marty, or worse. Or, people are well aware and are still looking for an excuse to complain because???
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Sept 28, 2021 6:58:47 GMT -5
I get the logic, but come on, the Marty Scurll you made the agreement with in 2018 is not the same Marty Scurll we have in 2021. He went from one of the hottest stars outside of WWE to a disgraced sexual predator that is getting off on a technicality. If this was Joey Ryan, I can guarantee you they wouldn't even be questioning reigning on the agreement with the new context of how the perception has changed due to Speaking Out. And with that justification rumors are now swirling that CWA has booked a triple threat of David Starr vs. Jimmy Havoc vs. Velveteen Dream citing previously delayed booking plans.* *Rumors invented for this post. May not exist.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2021 8:24:42 GMT -5
I liked Marty and was happy to watch him in ROH and NJPW, but Marty will very likely not make a livable career in wrestling ever again. He dug his own grave and unless he pops up on a big ROH or NJPW show that I'd watch anyway, I'll never watch him again. With that said, I don't understand how people get up in arms when people try to work. If he's not in jail, people have to work. He might try to wrestle, cash you out at the gas station, deliver your amazon packages. Even registered sex offenders not in jail work and have fun trying to tell their PO why you think they shouldn't. If he chooses to wrestle, don't support the show he's on. I have a feeling some would be in for a rude awakening to find out how many criminals walk and work among you. I work in mental health and have had a number of people over the years with legal histories that make and package everyones favorite holiday candy, work at your favorite pop/chip factory, drives your airport shuttle. Abstain from supporting where you can, fine, but it's hard not support a company that employs people like Marty, or worse. Or, people are well aware and are still looking for an excuse to complain because??? This is basically where I'm at. So long as Marty isn't grandstanding about how he's changed for the better, how the event was a learning experience for him and he's in therapy for sex addiction, and all that other typical horse shit, I'm fine with him quietly trying to re-enter the wrestling business. I won't support him, but it's his right.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Sept 28, 2021 9:37:50 GMT -5
Yeah Marty looks really rough. I'm not really familiar with what he looked like before so I had to Google him, but the guy in the picture doesn't look like a ragged hobo on death's door, although if I was trying to convince people I'm NOT a skeevy sex pest, I'd probably go with a different look
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Post by Heeltown, USA on Sept 28, 2021 9:38:10 GMT -5
I have always been a big fan. Im happy to see him getting some work in pro wrestling again.
Some fans, myself absolutely included, don’t really care about what he did and DO want to see him back. Glad to see a start to it
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Post by Viking Hall on Sept 28, 2021 9:54:22 GMT -5
Yeah Marty looks really rough. I'm not really familiar with what he looked like before so I had to Google him, but the guy in the picture doesn't look like a ragged hobo on death's door, although if I was trying to convince people I'm NOT a skeevy sex pest, I'd probably go with a different look Other than growing his hair out, he looks no different.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2021 11:47:59 GMT -5
We just had a forum member quit due to a large argument around whether looks matter in pro wrestling... maybe we should lay off the insults of someone's look.
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Post by Woo on Sept 28, 2021 18:34:34 GMT -5
The age thing is kinda irrelevant to me as the girl in question was over the age of consent and I don't know why we are applying US laws to things that happen outside the US, but the fact she may have been drunk underage and therefore could not consent means I wouldn't book him myself.
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Post by Heeltown, USA on Sept 28, 2021 20:52:47 GMT -5
The age thing is kinda irrelevant to me as the girl in question was over the age of consent and I don't know why we are applying US laws to things that happen outside the US, but the fact she may have been drunk underage and therefore could not consent means I wouldn't book him myself. This is a fine succinct way of putting it. I don’t get the vitrol from people on these boards that go with “f*** that piece of shit”
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Post by chazraps on Sept 28, 2021 22:17:52 GMT -5
She was underage drunk AND a student of his at a seminar when he had a very clear power dynamic over her.
Nobody is entitled to make a living in whatever industry they want. Especially in an industry without unions that has to self-police like wrestling.
If we as fans want the industry and the environment to be a better place, we have to be vocal that we don't stand for the continued welcome of toxic entities in these circles.
Marty got a student of his underage drunk and then had sex with her. That's exactly the type of shit Speaking Out was supposed to take an active action against.
When you do something like that, you should no longer be around the industry.
Nobody is saying he shouldn't have a job anywhere. He just shouldn't have one in wrestling. He's not a victim. He abused his power in the worst of ways. f*** that piece of shit.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 28, 2021 22:20:41 GMT -5
The age thing is kinda irrelevant to me as the girl in question was over the age of consent and I don't know why we are applying US laws to things that happen outside the US, but the fact she may have been drunk underage and therefore could not consent means I wouldn't book him myself. This is a fine succinct way of putting it. I don’t get the vitrol from people on these boards that go with “f*** that piece of shit” Because sexual assault is bad?
I think people are so focused on the age of the person in question because this is a mostly American board and this happened in the UK where age of consent works differently. But what's most important he took advantage of someone who wasn't in a position to consent. That's sexual assault regardless of the ages of the perpetrator and the victim. That she wasn't of age to legally drink makes it even worse.
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Post by Heeltown, USA on Sept 29, 2021 8:12:00 GMT -5
This is a fine succinct way of putting it. I don’t get the vitrol from people on these boards that go with “f*** that piece of shit” Because sexual assault is bad?
I think people are so focused on the age of the person in question because this is a mostly American board and this happened in the UK where age of consent works differently. But what's most important he took advantage of someone who wasn't in a position to consent. That's sexual assault regardless of the ages of the perpetrator and the victim. That she wasn't of age to legally drink makes it even worse.
If it was sexual assault why didn’t he get charged? Ive been a bartender for a long time. Guys and girls get drunk at bars and hookup. I don’t know what demographics we are working with on this forum but if the question is “Have you ever got drunk and slept with someone and regretted it the next morning?” I sure as shit am raising my hand
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Post by King Devitt on Sept 29, 2021 8:27:55 GMT -5
Yeah Marty looks really rough. I'm not really familiar with what he looked like before so I had to Google him, but the guy in the picture doesn't look like a ragged hobo on death's door, although if I was trying to convince people I'm NOT a skeevy sex pest, I'd probably go with a different look Don't like the guy, and he lost a fan in me, but that hair is something people would pay lots of money at salon's to get. The volume. The curl. The shape. It's good. I showed it to my boyfriend and asked him what he thought of his hair and he said it was beautiful. (Granted my BF has no idea who this is, and loves long wavy hair so he's biased) My balding ass would kill to have long wavy locks. Commence back to the debate about him being a giant gross pervert.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Sept 29, 2021 9:48:14 GMT -5
Because sexual assault is bad?
I think people are so focused on the age of the person in question because this is a mostly American board and this happened in the UK where age of consent works differently. But what's most important he took advantage of someone who wasn't in a position to consent. That's sexual assault regardless of the ages of the perpetrator and the victim. That she wasn't of age to legally drink makes it even worse.
If it was sexual assault why didn’t he get charged? This is not a path you want to go down. This isn't even a side road off the path you want to be going down.
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Post by Heeltown, USA on Sept 29, 2021 9:50:58 GMT -5
If it was sexual assault why didn’t he get charged? This is not a path you want to go down. This isn't even a side road off the path you want to be going down. Defending Scurll is not a path I want to go down? Lol ok, thanks for the guidance
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Sept 29, 2021 10:01:52 GMT -5
This is not a path you want to go down. This isn't even a side road off the path you want to be going down. Defending Scurll is not a path I want to go down? Lol ok, thanks for the guidance I mean I don't think defending Marty is a good path either, but no, I mean the question of why, if it was sexual assault, there weren't charges. Sexual assaults go unreported regularly, and in this case, we're talking about an accusation from five years prior. The lack of charges does not mean anything for whether it was or was not a sexual assault and its the equivalent of looking at Al Capone and asking "But if he's a criminal then why isn't he in jail yet?" It's a naive outlook that ignores a lot of the ugly reality of sexual assault and how many cases that definitely happened never result in anything being done.
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Post by Heeltown, USA on Sept 29, 2021 11:45:26 GMT -5
Defending Scurll is not a path I want to go down? Lol ok, thanks for the guidance I mean I don't think defending Marty is a good path either, but no, I mean the question of why, if it was sexual assault, there weren't charges. Sexual assaults go unreported regularly, and in this case, we're talking about an accusation from five years prior. The lack of charges does not mean anything for whether it was or was not a sexual assault and its the equivalent of looking at Al Capone and asking "But if he's a criminal then why isn't he in jail yet?" It's a naive outlook that ignores a lot of the ugly reality of sexual assault and how many cases that definitely happened never result in anything being done. But what did Marty do wrong? Guys buy girls drinks all the time at bars in hopes they’ll go home with them. Im sure he had several that night too. Its called hooking up. And as unseemly as it may be, sleeping with a 16 yr old is not illegal in the UK. To Americanize this, when I walk into a bar and see a smokeshow with her girlfriends having a drink, I automatically assume she is 21. If I hit on her and she’s down, we’re getting out of there and Im not asking for ID in the bedroom. If I find out later she is 18 and had a fake ID I feel a certain way about it, but it doesn’t make me a monster Her 5 years later saying it wasn’t consensual is her side of the story. There is always three. You and I know that no formal charges were brought against Marty because what, that can be proven, did he really do wrong? He furnished alcohol to her? Thats on the bar owner and bartender for letting that happen. Im just not gonna ever understand the problem with Marty here. I do however understand your points about sexual assault, I just don’t think they apply to Scurll
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