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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 16:51:15 GMT -5
Why would security escort Charlotte out? What exactly is she going to do, go throw a load of other belts on the ground? Throw some chops, slap a Figure 8 on a caterer on the way out or something? I know you've got guys like Alvarez and so on confirming it, but feels way overboard a response if legit. They were afraid she'd beat up another ref!
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Post by sportatorium on Oct 23, 2021 16:54:10 GMT -5
First, doing the segment as an exchange when they've had weeks to have them drop the belts is just mind numbingly dumb.
Second, Charlotte picked a bad moment to get her political stroke in. Like it or not, Becky is way more over than her and as senseless as it may be to give Becky the "two belts" moment on the show she is leaving and as a heel, she's the top dog in the women's division and you shouldn't try to upstage it, no matter how high you consider yourself.
Third, it's a selfish act as both Sasha Banks and Sonya Deville were in the segment. Deville looks like a total bozo and while Sasha is a big enough star to get it back on track, she probably had to change something on the fly.
Sounds incredibly regrettable and avoidable.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 23, 2021 17:25:16 GMT -5
Oh those guys are working. They're the workiest bunch of workers who ever worked.
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Post by Perd on Oct 23, 2021 17:42:33 GMT -5
I’ll give Charlotte points for originality. Usually people get this sort of reputation for refusing to drop a belt.
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Post by gl83 on Oct 23, 2021 17:52:46 GMT -5
Just seems like a case of two women acting like spoiled babies knowing that they aren't going to have worry about any consequences since they've both been spoiled for years. A good deal of blame has to go to WWE's toxic environment for enabling that behavior in thr first place. So WWE is the "Sixers" and they're "Ben Simmons"?
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Post by cjh on Oct 23, 2021 17:53:58 GMT -5
I went to WWE's YouTube page to see this, and the video doesn't include any of the first part of the segment. It starts with Sasha's entrance.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 23, 2021 17:55:03 GMT -5
A good deal of blame has to go to WWE's toxic environment for enabling that behavior in thr first place. So WWE is the "Sixers" and they're "Ben Simmons"? So does that make Bayley the Embiid, since she's the only good one left?
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Post by cornettesracket on Oct 23, 2021 17:56:13 GMT -5
I don’t know what mood Charlotte is in nearly 24 hours after that mess on worldwide TV but she’s trending on Twitter in Ireland along with ryback in the sports category.
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Post by cornettesracket on Oct 23, 2021 17:59:16 GMT -5
I went to WWE's YouTube page to see this, and the video doesn't include any of the first part of the segment. It starts with Sasha's entrance. That to me is a sign it wasn’t a work. As a fan of both women(more a Becky fan because she’s Irish) and I’m still baffled as to even with the shitty segment they allowed themselves to get wound up so bad to pull that stuff on air.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Oct 23, 2021 18:14:15 GMT -5
And yet for all the insistence that Charlotte is this horrifically selfish egomaniac, there still lingers the report that she was pushing hard for Bianca to beat her clean this past Monday....
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Oct 23, 2021 18:18:32 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but this is such a work.
Security escorted her out? Why? Did she get fired? Was she beating the shit out of someone?
Until we see something different, this is a story fed to the sheets to distract from the horrible booking.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 18:20:58 GMT -5
And yet for all the insistence that Charlotte is this horrifically selfish egomaniac, there still lingers the report that she was pushing hard for Bianca to beat her clean this past Monday.... That report came from a very pro Charlotte source that has close connections to her "camp" and was fed this news from them, now idk how true that it is but that was making the rounds earlier. And really that is the only "pro Charlotte" part in all of this that I have seen but yet everyone from SRS , to Brian Alvarez have stated that Charlotte is the one with all the heat right now and all the other news that keeps pointing to her being the primary issue here so.
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Post by cjh on Oct 23, 2021 18:27:21 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but this is such a work. Security escorted her out? Why? Did she get fired? Was she beating the shit out of someone? Until we see something different, this is a story fed to the sheets to distract from the horrible booking. Becky was apparently in a dark match after the two of them had words backstage, so they wanted Charlotte gone to eliminate the possibility of anything further happening once Becky's match was over. As I mentioned earlier, the whole part of the segment before Sasha showed up is not on WWE's official video of the segment, which is very odd unless something didn't go as planned.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Oct 23, 2021 18:28:34 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but this is such a work. Security escorted her out? Why? Did she get fired? Was she beating the shit out of someone? Until we see something different, this is a story fed to the sheets to distract from the horrible booking. Becky was apparently in a dark match after the two of them had words backstage, so they wanted Charlotte gone to eliminate the possibility of anything further happening once Becky's match was over. As I mentioned earlier, their whole part of the segment before Sasha showed up is not on WWE's official video of the segment, which is very odd unless something didn't go as planned. And asking Charlotte to leave didn’t work? So Becky was in the ring, so why security?
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Post by cjh on Oct 23, 2021 18:35:09 GMT -5
Becky was apparently in a dark match after the two of them had words backstage, so they wanted Charlotte gone to eliminate the possibility of anything further happening once Becky's match was over. As I mentioned earlier, their whole part of the segment before Sasha showed up is not on WWE's official video of the segment, which is very odd unless something didn't go as planned. And asking Charlotte to leave didn’t work? So Becky was in the ring, so why security? Maybe. If Charlotte was really pissed after their argument and was wanting to confront Becky again later, it would make sense.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Oct 23, 2021 18:37:18 GMT -5
And asking Charlotte to leave didn’t work? So Becky was in the ring, so why security? Maybe. If Charlotte was really pissed after their argument and was wanting to confront Becky again later, it would make sense. I guess, but that seems like something a co-worker she’s particularly close to would handle, not security.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 23, 2021 18:56:59 GMT -5
Stuff like this seemingly being a real thing that happened only enforces me point that anyone with an actual secure wrestling job or great Indie standing signing to WWE right now? With THIS environment going on? Seems absolutely insane to me... it seems way more likely that people are just going to get fed up and leave WWE before anything else happens. Don't be shocked if thats what Charlotte does either considering how aloof and uncaring she's come off since returning... she looks like she's only there to finish her dates.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 18:57:01 GMT -5
I will say I liked the end of the segment.
That Sasha entrance. Wow. Charlotte's delightfully condescending "This is a PG show!" And Becky just going "Cool dog, I'm going to Raw."
Hilarious. Anyway, I love Sasha and I want her to be champion again.
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Post by tenshi on Oct 23, 2021 19:17:59 GMT -5
So WWE is the "Sixers" and they're "Ben Simmons"? So does that make Bayley the Embiid, since she's the only good one left? She can be the Tobías Harris or Danny Green of the group since they're just there to do their job to the best of their habilities while people take them for granted.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 23, 2021 19:30:54 GMT -5
It's always interesting to me to see people talk this way about the four of them; in most of pro wrestling, a promotion having four rock solid main eventers who can work well and draw a reaction would be a dream scenario. The ultimate historical example is the AJPW Four Pillars: talented and over as all hell, able to be swapped in and out of the Triple Crown or Tag title spots and guarantee great matches and feuds, all four of them building up tons of history with one another that they could draw on for in-ring stories and psychology every time they renewed hostilities, etc. If this formula isn't working with the Horsewomen, it really does warrant reviewing what may be causing that. Judging by most show reviews and the way people talk about the division, it might be that there just feels like there's too much of a gap between the Horsewomen and the rest of the women's divisions (with some rare exceptions like Asuka having Becky's number or Belair beating Sasha cleanly), but I'm sure different people have different reasons, too, some of which might simply boil down to "WWE creative sucks". Either way, it's pretty fascinating: like, I can look back to 2004-2006 or so in ROH and think of Samoa Joe, Bryan Danielson, Homicide, and CM Punk as their "big four" (though Punk was obviously gone by '05), and that worked wonders with that roster and made all four guys really well known among indie fans of the era, and there's no reason why it shouldn't be working better for WWE when you've got the kind of talent they've got available to them. I think the problem is that we’ve seen pretty much every combination of the HW feud with each other already (aside from maybe a proper Becky vs. Bayley feud). And there’s other really talented women who feel like they’re constantly being undercut to keep the HW in the top spots. They had a chance to make Rhea Ripley a new top star after Mania for example. But instead, they just fed her to Charlotte (for the second year in a row) and now she doesn’t feel like anywhere near as big a deal as she did earlier this year. And for what, to give Charlotte ANOTHER title reign? You have women like Toni Storm, Shotzi, Tegan Nox, Mia Yim, etc getting nothing of note to do despite all of their talent. But WWE wants to run Charlotte vs. Sasha again like it’s 2016. It’s too much at this point. I get you; to go back to the ROH example, during that run circa 2004-2006 you still had Austin Aries getting over huge by beating Samoa Joe for the title and reigning for awhile, you still had guys like Alex Shelley and James Gibson getting legitimate main event pushes, you had the Pure title scene allowing more names to get prominently featured in the singles scene, and you had some of those "big four" guys feuding with other wrestlers to vary the scene up a bit or help get new guys over (seriously, I remember some people melting down because CM Punk dared to put Jimmy Rave over in early '05, and needless to say that ended up working out well for ROH). Here, it kind of seems like Asuka and Bianca aren't just the only ones to get anything over on the Horsewomen, it also feels like there's almost a missing midcard for the women where you can have non-main event women who still feel like legitimate contenders or threats, even if they're not on the level of the Horsewomen. Hell, I guess it gets worse for some when you think about Asuka's title reigns kind of feeling like they lacked substance or the weird shit they've put Bianca through at Summerslam and this past Monday.
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