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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Nov 24, 2021 11:31:07 GMT -5
Obviously at first most people had enjoyed Roman's title reign, but somewhere along the way his title reign has become a bit of a meme as "Misery Booking". The question is where did you sour on it, or have you even soured on it yet?
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Post by the2ndevil on Nov 24, 2021 11:36:06 GMT -5
To repeat myself from the title length tracker thread: In this day and age, if you're booking a title reign that lasts longer than 6 months, you need to take a long hard look in the mirror.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 11:36:17 GMT -5
Personally I was sorta done with it (by that I mean "ok, let this guy lose the belt now) with that Goro Lesnar feud. Once that started yeahhhhh, that's too much. Everything else prior was with current talent and guys like Edge who puts in the work. When they feuded with Reigns it was dope and it really made sense as it fit within today's WWE "realm." Once Lesnar stepped up, it made it clear that yeah Reigns is still THAT GUY again rather than what he needs to be IE the big bad heel who will put over someone rather than being the main attraction (except this time as a bad guy). That's one reason why I'm not really excited about this Rock feud. It's gonna be booked similarly where Reigns is still pushed as the lead except he's a bad guy this time. It's like a show where the main guy becomes bad for 1 season, that's what this is.
Also I wanna make it clear this says nothing about his promos, in-ring skills and his Tribal Chief character, all that's dope. I'm just talking about when I wanted him to lose the belt and he started to really make me think "man, he was soooooooo great a year ago." All that other stuff people always talk about like him "standing tall to end a SD" doesn't matter to me if they follow up well. The issue is that they didn't follow up well because they followed up with Lesnar and now Rock so in theory he shouldn't need to do that to these talent who are apparently filler feuds for em. It made sense to do that if you're building him up to be dethroned by someone on the roster who's like these guys.
But you mean to tell me that you've got part-timers coming back to face Rock and knock him down? To save their "lil WWE brothers" or something? To my tv show analogy again, it's like when the main characters are getting beat up by the school bully and then at the end of the season the big brother (who's at college) strolls back in town to set the bully straight. That's how this Rock thing is gonna be.
Nah, that's just lame.
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Post by cosmo on Nov 24, 2021 11:40:23 GMT -5
I was already worn out with it during the Owens feud, but I'd say him pinning both Edge and Bryan at the same time was pretty much the nail in the coffin when it came to me giving a shit about Reigns as champ.
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 24, 2021 11:40:27 GMT -5
Hasn’t overstayed its welcome yet. His segments are entertaining and the best on either show on the regular. His presence has a certain gravitas that not many others currently active do.
I do think if he’s going to hold it until Mania 2023 vs. The Rock , that we should at least get a small Luger-like reign in between, maybe with McIntyre.
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 24, 2021 11:41:16 GMT -5
For me personally: the built up was so long with so many false starts and failed coronations that the very first day he won it already felt like a multi-year reign of terror had already occurred.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Nov 24, 2021 11:47:00 GMT -5
Hasn't overstayed yet, though they should've built up Big E to beat him at Summerslam. Would've made E a made man better than now. Especially if the Rock match isn't happening, that should've happened.
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Post by dbrussel on Nov 24, 2021 11:54:33 GMT -5
Yeah. The finish of his match at WM 37 was a "see you all next year..... and still champ" heads up
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Nov 24, 2021 11:56:14 GMT -5
To repeat myself from the title length tracker thread: In this day and age, if you're booking a title reign that lasts longer than 6 months, you need to take a long hard look in the mirror. Worked out pretty well for Kenny Omega and Jon Moxley. Long reigns are fine as long as they're booked well. Roman's... Hasn't. Nobody wants to see a bad guy just make everyone look like clowns for a year and a half with no setbacks. That bullshit helped kill WCW.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Nov 24, 2021 12:13:29 GMT -5
For me Wrestlemania 37 is where it peaked. There is nowhere to go when you simultaneously pin two all time greats in the main event of the biggest event of the year.
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Post by khali on Nov 24, 2021 12:17:20 GMT -5
To repeat myself from the title length tracker thread: In this day and age, if you're booking a title reign that lasts longer than 6 months, you need to take a long hard look in the mirror. Worked out pretty well for Kenny Omega and Jon Moxley. Long reigns are fine as long as they're booked well. Roman's... Hasn't. Nobody wants to see a bad guy just make everyone look like clowns for a year and a half with no setbacks. That bullshit helped kill WCW. And a long title reign helps if there’s a clear new guy being built up for down line. Part of why this reign feels endless is because they’ve failed to set up anyone to beat him in a big coronation moment.
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Post by cosmo on Nov 24, 2021 12:35:18 GMT -5
Worked out pretty well for Kenny Omega and Jon Moxley. Long reigns are fine as long as they're booked well. Roman's... Hasn't. Nobody wants to see a bad guy just make everyone look like clowns for a year and a half with no setbacks. That bullshit helped kill WCW. And a long title reign helps if there’s a clear new guy being built up for down line. Part of why this reign feels endless is because they’ve failed to set up anyone to beat him in a big coronation moment.
For real. And it doesn't help anything that they've had Roman steamroll pretty much every viable contender he's been put up against. Outside of WWE pulling off the deal of the century and somehow managing to sign Kenny Omega or Kazuchika Okada, I don't know who would even remotely have a chance against Roman at this point.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 24, 2021 12:55:08 GMT -5
For me personally: the built up was so long with so many false starts and failed coronations that the very first day he won it already felt like a multi-year reign of terror had already occurred. This is definitely an underrated component of the issue for people who are worn out on Roman. Between his cancer and his COVID wait, Roman has less than a year away from the ring but he's been a top guy since 2015 or 2016 depending on where you wanna mark it, including main events in five of the last seven Wrestlemanias, where he missed one due to health concerns and the other was only a few weeks after he came back and wasn't ready to be in the top spot anyway. Stop-and-start booking or not, Roman has spent most of the past decade on top, so Roman fatigue is already starting off on the wrong foot.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Nov 24, 2021 13:04:34 GMT -5
Long title reigns with a point work.
I think Roman's reign lost it's point after Wrestlemania when it slowly became clear nobody was being built up to stop him.
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Post by Chiral on Nov 24, 2021 14:16:19 GMT -5
Going from the legit great TV and character work of the Jey feud into the trash Owens feud sapped a lot of goodwill from me for this run, then Wrestlemania 37 ending on such a fart directly in the face note of STACK EM UP just fully cemented this thing as misery booking, and it's gone on seven months past that with no end in sight save for maybe Wrestlemania 39 if they can get the Rock to actually show up in Hollywood. In about two to three months it went from an interesting flawed character to a cynical jerk power fantasy that has no plot and is going literally nowhere outside of Roman racking up more and more comedically absurd bad guy points and victories without consequence and has just stayed and apparently will stay in this lane for an eternity.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 24, 2021 14:50:21 GMT -5
Going from the legit great TV and character work of the Jey feud into the trash Owens feud sapped a lot of goodwill from me for this run, then Wrestlemania 37 ending on such a fart directly in the face note of STACK EM UP just fully cemented this thing as misery booking, and it's gone on seven months past that with no end in sight save for maybe Wrestlemania 39 if they can get the Rock to actually show up in Hollywood. In about two to three months it went from an interesting flawed character to a cynical jerk power fantasy that has no plot and is going literally nowhere outside of Roman racking up more and more comedically absurd bad guy points and victories without consequence and has just stayed and apparently will stay in this lane for an eternity. Yep... I started losing interest in the Owens feud. Owens got his ass kicked pretty much every segment then at teh matches he almost won and then Jey ran out... rinse repeat for like 4 months... making Owens look like a choke artist. Have it happen once or twice fine... but if you do that the guy has to win at some point or he looks like a loser and the audience isn't going to care about him. but yeah... the Mania main event especially with the double pin showed that they had no plans for this title reign outside of Roman continues to win a lot and never looks vulnerable... and we have no actual plan for who is going to beat him. They literally had people reacting to Roman exactly as they wanted to when he came back and through the Jey feud... and then they fell back into their old way of booking Roman so that no one cares anymore. I went back to check the Big E. match and the crowd only REALLY cared when Big E started making a come back... after Roman cut that off the crowd started not caring again and Roman's talking shit to the audience was kinda hilarious cause he was yelling at people to shut their mouths when ... they already had.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 24, 2021 14:59:53 GMT -5
Summerslam. Not so much that I thought Cena would or should have beaten him, it's that after he won at Mania, it seemed logical that they'd have him drop it at Summerslam. When he didn't and they had Brock show up, you *knew* this thing was going to keep going with no ending in sight.
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Post by msc on Nov 24, 2021 15:02:30 GMT -5
Pretty much the moment Cena showed up, and it became clear this wasn't about putting someone over with an end purpose.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 16:40:06 GMT -5
When he won at WM by stacking Bryan and Edge on top of each like they were a couple of jabroni jobbers.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Nov 24, 2021 17:12:31 GMT -5
And a long title reign helps if there’s a clear new guy being built up for down line. Part of why this reign feels endless is because they’ve failed to set up anyone to beat him in a big coronation moment. For real. And it doesn't help anything that they've had Roman steamroll pretty much every viable contender he's been put up against. Outside of WWE pulling off the deal of the century and somehow managing to sign Kenny Omega or Kazuchika Okada, I don't know who would even remotely have a chance against Roman at this point.
Oh who are we kidding? Vince would probably make some racist joke to himself and job out Okada to f***ing Baron Corbin or some shit.
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