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Post by asuka007 on Dec 5, 2021 22:57:03 GMT -5
I feel like the overt The Guy-ness booking they're giving Bron from the jump could hurt him with the fans. In this case, I think it’s warranted honestly. Also if they want it to be developmental again, then commit to it at least.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 22:57:52 GMT -5
Yeah no way Rex doesn’t challenge Ciampa again. Perhaps at New Year’s Evil. You'd think he'd win, but I think Bron might already be main roster ready, as crazy as it sounds.
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Post by ayumidah on Dec 5, 2021 22:59:05 GMT -5
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 5, 2021 23:00:10 GMT -5
I feel like the overt The Guy-ness booking they're giving Bron from the jump could hurt him with the fans. In this case, I think it’s warranted honestly. Also if they want it to be developmental again, then commit to it at least. I just think there could be more of a journey with Bron. It’s been three-four months and he’s gonna beat Ciampa? He’s not Lesnar levels of good.
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Post by Hypnosis on Dec 5, 2021 23:01:09 GMT -5
The sequel to Clarissa Explains It All?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 5, 2021 23:01:27 GMT -5
I feel like the overt The Guy-ness booking they're giving Bron from the jump could hurt him with the fans. In this case, I think it’s warranted honestly. Also if they want it to be developmental again, then commit to it at least. That's another thing... WWE want someone to be the guy, commit to it. They f***ing hee-hawed and fiddlef***ed around with Reigns for years because they were scared of the fan reaction to him (but not so scared as to turn him or not actually push him) and we wasted literally years on it when they should've just ripped the band-aid off at WrestleMania 31. Breakker isn't even at THAT point yet.
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Post by asuka007 on Dec 5, 2021 23:04:12 GMT -5
In this case, I think it’s warranted honestly. Also if they want it to be developmental again, then commit to it at least. That's another thing... WWE want someone to be the guy, commit to it. They f***ing hee-hawed and fiddlef***ed around with Reigns for years because they were scared of the fan reaction to him (but not so scared as to turn him or not actually push him) and we wasted literally years on it when they should've just ripped the band-aid off at WrestleMania 31. Breakker isn't even at THAT point yet. I’d rather they try and fail. Then fart around and waste an opportunity.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 23:07:48 GMT -5
That has to swing the preverbial guess work towards him staying...still not a sure thing but this would favor that option more. I still believe he is staying but this is his end in NXT and is going to the main roster but we wont see him untill the summer as he goes to be with his wife and new born.
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Post by hbkid718 on Dec 5, 2021 23:13:33 GMT -5
We may crap on everything that NXT has turned into with all of these characters & wrestlers with no experience, but War Games was an incredible show that showed when it’s all said & done, the wrestling is what matters & they can deliver like they used to. Good Pre-Show, especially the promos from Team Black & Gold & Team 2.0. But there was no need for a Charlotte Flair promo. She shouldn’t be hogging the spotlight on a show that she has no part of. Cool video package. I like that they have the cages in the crowd instead on the stage. It makes it feel different. Team Raquel VS Team Toxic was a fun match. All 8 women worked hard & kicked ass. Loved Cora Jade overcoming injury to win the match for her team. My favorite spots were Jade doing the Swanton through the table, Io Shirai putting Jade’s shoulder back in place, & Raquel Gonzalez putting Dakota Kai in the garbage can and using her as a weapon. This is supposed to be a PPV. There's no need for all of these video packages. Cool promo by Team Black & Gold. Kyle O’Reilly & Von Wagner VS Imperium was incredible. So many innovative moves by Aichner. And if that was indeed O’Reilly’s last NXT match. What a way to go out. I was not expecting Wagner to turn on him either. And more stupid video packages. Despite hating the build for the match, Cameron Grimes VS Duke Hudson was an awesome match. I didn’t mind those video packages & commercials. It gave me time to pee. Cool New Year's Evil is back, the easiest W/L Records for NXT, as it's everyone's 1st match of 2022. Roderick Strong VS Joe Gacy was an excellent match. Gacy can really wrestle, but I just don’t like his gimmick. I’m happy that Strong retained, making this the 1st ever War Games Event where no titles changed hands. NXT is definitely being run by Vince McMahon. They had a whole segment about someone eating too much & having to take a crap. Ikemen Jiro should go back to Japan. Awesome, at least one more match for O'Reilly against Von Wagner on Tuesday inside a Steel Cage. So, we're getting a Steel Cage Match 3 nights in a row, with tonight, Raw, & NXT. 1st time ever. Awesome. Johnny Gargano coming out to Rebel Hart. It sucks that this isn't a Takeover, so he can't go out as Mr. Takeover one more time. Gargano got busted open. I don't mind blood like that since it wasn't intentional, unlike other companies. NXT 2.0 aren't that smart. There's no roof. LA Knight just climbed in. Forgot to mention what Pete Dunne did to Grayson Waller with his fingers on the cage. LOL, loved Dexter Lumis coming out from under the ring. Of course Bron Breakker breaks the chain, making him the 1st Steiner to enter a War Games since 1992. Awesome seeing DIY together. Sorry this match is so good that I just want to sit back & watch the rest without commenting on it. Team Black & Gold VS Team 2.0 was incredible. 2.0 all showed that they will be huge stars in the future. Here are the Facts & Stats for everything that happened tonight: And here's the Complete War Games event history, though it was the 1st ever.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 5, 2021 23:14:05 GMT -5
That has to swing the preverbial guess work towards him staying...still not a sure thing but this would favor that option more. I still believe he is staying but this is his end in NXT and is going to the main roster but we wont see him untill the summer as he goes to be with his wife and new born. I think it's going to be basically a farewell thing and then someone from 2.0 will beat the hell out of him in front of Ciampa.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 5, 2021 23:15:19 GMT -5
Yeah no way Rex doesn’t challenge Ciampa again. Perhaps at New Year’s Evil. You'd think he'd win, but I think Bron might already be main roster ready, as crazy as it sounds. I don’t think we’ve seen nearly enough to make that call yet honestly. He could get the call and fail big time. He needs seasoning.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 5, 2021 23:16:21 GMT -5
That has to swing the preverbial guess work towards him staying...still not a sure thing but this would favor that option more. I still believe he is staying but this is his end in NXT and is going to the main roster but we wont see him untill the summer as he goes to be with his wife and new born. I think it's going to be basically a farewell thing and then someone from 2.0 will beat the hell out of him in front of Ciampa. I know people want Bron to be the next champ but I think it kind of needs to be Hayes. Bron should beat an actual heel if they’re gonna run with him.
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Post by ayumidah on Dec 5, 2021 23:17:13 GMT -5
That has to swing the preverbial guess work towards him staying...still not a sure thing but this would favor that option more. I still believe he is staying but this is his end in NXT and is going to the main roster but we wont see him untill the summer as he goes to be with his wife and new born. I think it's going to be basically a farewell thing and then someone from 2.0 will beat the hell out of him in front of Ciampa. So you're telling me to hold my cathartic tears for two more days. Damn you, wrestling. Damn you!
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 5, 2021 23:20:49 GMT -5
Honestly I feel like within six months of him coming to the main roster everyone is going to absolutely loathe Breakker.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 5, 2021 23:28:06 GMT -5
Honestly I feel like within six months of him coming to the main roster everyone is going to absolutely loathe Breakker. Yeah he's over and will get a pop but he's going to get run into the ground so quickly on the main roster and then be exposed because he clearly wasn't ready for it.
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Post by Fade on Dec 5, 2021 23:32:11 GMT -5
Honestly I feel like within six months of him coming to the main roster everyone is going to absolutely loathe Breakker. Yeah he's over and will get a pop but he's going to get run into the ground so quickly on the main roster and then be exposed because he clearly wasn't ready for it. Which is why I’m ok with that guy staying in NXT, winning the belt, getting more seasoned.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 5, 2021 23:34:12 GMT -5
Yeah he's over and will get a pop but he's going to get run into the ground so quickly on the main roster and then be exposed because he clearly wasn't ready for it. Which is why I’m ok with that guy staying in NXT, winning the belt, getting more seasoned. Keep him in NXT until late next year, he'll be more seasoned and ready to go. If they want to see how he does with a bigger crowd then have him do dark matches on Smackdown.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 5, 2021 23:45:47 GMT -5
NXT TakeOver: War Games December 5th, 2021 | Capitol Wrestling Center in Orlando, Florida
I haven’t been as focused on NXT lately (and WWE or NJPW overall actually) but I’m going to try and use this show as a way to jump back in. I like some of the goofy stuff they have going on here because I adore cheesy wrestling.
War Games: Cora Jade, Io Shirai, Kay Lee Ray & Raquel Gonzalez vs. Dakota Kai and Toxic Attraction Pretty big fan of everyone in here though. I feel like the women have had the better War Games match each of the past two years. This started with KLR against Dakota Kai, which was great since their ladder match this past week ruled. The cages holding the teams were oddly placed by the crowd. Their back and forth here was good, punctuated by a spot where Dakota took a front suplex onto a bunch of kendo sticks set up in between the two rings. The faces had the advantage, which is odd since this match is typically meant to be a bunch of hot tags. Cora Jade was in next and brought her skateboard with her. This segment worked well enough but was odd since the heel was fighting from behind. She countered a double suplex just as her help, Gigi Dolan, arrived. Io followed suit three minutes later. As is often the case when the women have a match like this, they tried out some pretty cool innovative spots throughout. Jacy Jayne entered next, leaving Mandy and Raquel for the end. Jayne got placed on a table as Jade went to the top of the cage, hitting a SCARY looking somersault sent through the table. Bold attempt for a 20-year-old. Medica came to check on her but Io said she got this and popped Cora’s shoulder into place. Raquel came in, put Dakota in a trash can, and swung her around. After Mandy made the match official, we got a big brawl with the camerawork totally missing a big KLR spot. Cora ended up alone and hurt against all four opponents. The finish was pretty lame though as after a barrage of moves, Jayne was down from a Chingona Bomb and Cora Jade pinned her at the 31:20 mark. The worst of the three women’s War Games matches but still great. It would’ve been bumped up a bit with a better ending. [****]
NXT Tag Team Championship: Imperium [c] vs. Kyle O'Reilly and Von Wagner I dig Imperium and Kyle but can’t get into Wagner. This was kind of about what you’d expect at the start in that the guys who knew what they were doing carried things and Wagner basically just had to not mess up too badly. Since Kyle had to handle the workload for his squad, he ended up playing the face in peril. Though he’s the more experienced guy, it made sense since he’s smaller and Wagner is better suited to some hot tag stuff. That’s just what happened and Wagner actually did hit a few decent moves. He oddly reminds me of Paul Burchill and Mike Knox. Aichner saved the team with a double jump moonsault that will always impress me. Aichner and O’Reilly had a great exchange down the stretch and he hit another great dive to the outside. The challengers came close a few times before Kyle fell to the Imperium Bomb. That was way better than I expected since I have zero hope for Wagner. The other guys carried this and he did well enough. [***½]
Post-match, Wagner tried to attack Kyle who avoided it and laid him out. He then threw up the Undisputed Era signal and did crotch chops.
Hair vs. Hair Match: Cameron Grimes vs. Duke Hudson I guess this was our cool down match. Hudson took immediate control and worked a methodical pace to put Grimes in trouble, wearing him down and talking trash throughout. Grimes rallied but none of what he did really felt like it mattered or was interesting. I honestly don’t even have that much to say about this because it was so dull. Like, there was nothing technically wrong with it but it just was wildly average and at times uninteresting. Grimes scored the pin on a rollup after 10:23 and then laughed at Hudson. Duke tried to turn things around and cut Grimes’s hair anyway but that was flipped on him and he got shaved. [**]
NXT Cruiserweight Championship: Roderick Strong [c] vs. Joe Gacy Gacy isn’t a cruiserweight but is getting the shot since he feels the title isn’t inclusive enough. Strong lit up Gacy in the early goings, negating the size advantage for the challenge. He even removed his shirt to get more on those chops. Gacy turned things around when he started using that size. Gacy did his best to battle Roddy in submissions as he used a crossface and even hit a somersault outside. I did like the character beat of him stopping his manager buddy from possibly harming the female on Diamond Mine. Inside, Roddy survived a bit more offense before hitting a knee and the backbreaker to retain in 8:28. That was solid but unspectacular. [**¾]
War Games: Team 2.0 vs. Team Black and Gold We start with Carmelo Hayes against former North American Champion Johnny Gargano. Their five minutes together were strong before Grayson Waller joined. Instead of jumping Johnny with the advantage, he dared him to meet him in the other ring, which was a mistake, though he managed to turn things around well enough. Hayes also had help from Trick Williams who threw weapons in and tried to enter the cage only to get hit with a chair. Gargano got busted open during this interval before Pete Dunne joined him to kick ass. I loved them putting on stereo submissions and kicking the opposite opponent during them. Tony D’Angelo was next in and I love that ridiculous dude. The highlight here was Trick Williams getting sent packing by Dexter Lumis, who was under the ring. He gave Johnny the thumbs up for it. The door was locked to the point where LA Knight couldn’t enter when it was his turn. He climbed to get in while referees tried to break the chain. Seeing Pete Dunne destroy Waller’s hand with a kendo stick, stomps, and the trash can was great. Bron Breakker joining changed the tide as he was dominant. He was tossing fools around. Ciampa was in last and Gargano saved his old partner, getting “DIY” chants. A big spot came when Waller took a belly to belly off the top through a table. Breakker took an avalanche Air Raid Crash for two while Waller did a weird elbow drop off the cage. This nearly ended after DIY hit their old finisher buy Hayes made the save. Ciampa hit Hayes with a knee that actually mostly took out Gargano and then Breakker put him through a table. He added a press slam to win the match in 38:13. A hell of a match that I liked a bit more than the women’s version. [****¼]
Overall: 8/10. The two singles matches I could’ve done without. The Tag Titles were better than expected and those War Games matches ruled, making this a great show overall that was an easy watch.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 0:04:18 GMT -5
Bivens got me CRYING LMAO
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Post by gl83 on Dec 6, 2021 1:25:33 GMT -5
So, I'm assuming this will be Mandy Rose's first title feud:
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