Grayson Waller has an 11% win rate in NXT

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Dec 28, 2021 16:35:59 GMT -5 This Player Hating Mothman said:

Dec 28, 2021 16:29:24 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

I should note at this point that Waller has got experience from a few years on the Australian indies, so he’s not some ham-and-egger they’ve dragged in off the street that wanted to do football until WWE flashed a shiny cheque in their face and still hasn’t been told the difference between a wristlock and a wristwatch.

(Dude actually has a recorded victory over Orange Cassidy of all people in his previous home indie here in Australia)

I haven't seen the dude so I'm mostly just going by the pulse of the thread and a comment about him barely being ready for NXT.

I mean, the wins and losses stuff can affect anyone at any time of any experience. If it were a hard and fast thing, nobody would really be worthy of fighting anyone (only 10 active wrestlers in all of WWE have current win streaks of five or more, only THREE of which are on the main roster, while 18 active wrestlers have current loss streaks of five or more, 13 of them being on the main roster).

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Dec 28, 2021 16:43:25 GMT -5 häšhtå.gdālėÿ said:

Dec 28, 2021 12:03:18 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

It just really confuses me that you had guys like Adam Cole, Kyle O'Reilly and Bobby Fish in NXT for YEARS. YEARS. And now's the time you start a cross-promotional angle with AJ Styles and it's somebody who's barely ready for NXT? It infuriates me. If they were going to try and use a young guy in this role, go with Carmelo Hayes or just bring up Santos Escobar already. Grayson's not ready.

Greyson Waller is more than TV ready, come on now. It’s not like he’s one of the new guys who’s only been wrestling for a year. Sending up Trick Williams, or Van Wafer, or even Tony D’Angelo would be guys who aren’t ready yet.

He’s obnoxious as hell, his old face character was abysmal, but he’s proven to be pretty talented as a wrestler when given matches. Like the random banger with Ciampa.

Justice For Waller proud member reporting in. He really does gotta stop wearing those big shorts tho cause I think those are a Huge factor of why ppl still think he's some goober. 

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Dec 28, 2021 16:47:16 GMT -5 ISO Mid Thigh Pull said:

Dec 28, 2021 16:43:25 GMT -5 häšhtå.gdālėÿ said:

Greyson Waller is more than TV ready, come on now. It’s not like he’s one of the new guys who’s only been wrestling for a year. Sending up Trick Williams, or Van Wafer, or even Tony D’Angelo would be guys who aren’t ready yet.

He’s obnoxious as hell, his old face character was abysmal, but he’s proven to be pretty talented as a wrestler when given matches. Like the random banger with Ciampa.

Justice For Waller proud member reporting in. He really does gotta stop wearing those big shorts tho cause I think those are a Huge factor of why ppl still think he's some goober. 

Oh yeah, his gear remains a trainwreck how could I forget that. Lmao

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Yeah for clarification, this thread really isn't about him "not being ready" or anything like that. He's got a character, he's got a look, he can go in the ring. He's basically where you need a superstar to be from a presentation standpoint. But he just don't got the record is all I'm saying. If he had like those Ls be Ws then we wouldn't have this thread.

It's basically a "hey Darby Allin got it all but mans keep losing" thread if that makes any sense. Darby could go but he was taking some Ls for a while. The difference is that it was part of Darby's character's storyline. With Waller it's like they forgot dude took those Ls and threw him in an AJ thread.

If dude had like 5-6 wins and then entered this AJ storyline we'd be having a "Grayson is about to stomp AJ's head in" thread.

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The shorts aren’t that much bigger than those worn by everyone’s favourite son of Tazz… Just saying.

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Alright, I'll cop to that, then. If he can go then I hope the match is good, I know AJ's going to bring it and make the kid look like gold because that's what AJ does, and if he's in the polishing step, AJ is the man to get him in with.

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Waller should keep the shitty attire. It makes him even more hateable.

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Dec 28, 2021 17:00:20 GMT -5 ISO Mid Thigh Pull said:

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Ahh, he’s Australian. All shorts look the same since that’s what most of them wear on a daily basis.

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Dec 28, 2021 16:43:25 GMT -5 häšhtå.gdālėÿ said:

Dec 28, 2021 12:03:18 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

It just really confuses me that you had guys like Adam Cole, Kyle O'Reilly and Bobby Fish in NXT for YEARS. YEARS. And now's the time you start a cross-promotional angle with AJ Styles and it's somebody who's barely ready for NXT? It infuriates me. If they were going to try and use a young guy in this role, go with Carmelo Hayes or just bring up Santos Escobar already. Grayson's not ready.

Greyson Waller is more than TV ready, come on now. It’s not like he’s one of the new guys who’s only been wrestling for a year. Sending up Trick Williams, or Van Wafer, or even Tony D’Angelo would be guys who aren’t ready yet.

He’s obnoxious as hell, his old face character was abysmal, but he’s proven to be pretty talented as a wrestler when given matches. Like the random banger with Ciampa.

Yeah, my thinking is that one decent match (and I'll admit he held his own in Wargames, too) doesn't mean you should get TV time on RAW and a feud with AJ Styles. He's got some momentum from beating up Gargano, so build on that within developmental for a bit. Let him work more with guys like Ciampa, Dunne, Grimes and others if they really think he's got something.

If it turns out AJ wanted to do this himself, great, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. For now, this just feels like WWE trying to push somebody without actually giving them the wins and ring time to back it up. And it's extra frustrating that all of this NXT crossover is happening now after they had dozens of TV ready performers in the system that they cut or let walk who are better than Grayson Waller could ever hope to be.

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Dec 28, 2021 16:55:13 GMT -5 @kn said:

Yeah for clarification, this thread really isn't about him "not being ready" or anything like that. He's got a character, he's got a look, he can go in the ring. He's basically where you need a superstar to be from a presentation standpoint. But he just don't got the record is all I'm saying. If he had like those Ls be Ws then we wouldn't have this thread.

It's basically a "hey Darby Allin got it all but mans keep losing" thread if that makes any sense. Darby could go but he was taking some Ls for a while. The difference is that it was part of Darby's character's storyline. With Waller it's like they forgot dude took those Ls and threw him in an AJ thread.

If dude had like 5-6 wins and then entered this AJ storyline we'd be having a "Grayson is about to stomp AJ's head in" thread.

Right now, him calling out AJ Styles feels very much like a decade ago when Miz was calling out John Cena. Like he's punching way above his weight class.

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Dec 28, 2021 17:00:20 GMT -5 ISO Mid Thigh Pull said:

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Let me bring a specialist

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Dec 28, 2021 17:18:52 GMT -5 gl83 said:

Dec 28, 2021 16:55:13 GMT -5 @kn said:

Yeah for clarification, this thread really isn't about him "not being ready" or anything like that. He's got a character, he's got a look, he can go in the ring. He's basically where you need a superstar to be from a presentation standpoint. But he just don't got the record is all I'm saying. If he had like those Ls be Ws then we wouldn't have this thread.

It's basically a "hey Darby Allin got it all but mans keep losing" thread if that makes any sense. Darby could go but he was taking some Ls for a while. The difference is that it was part of Darby's character's storyline. With Waller it's like they forgot dude took those Ls and threw him in an AJ thread.

If dude had like 5-6 wins and then entered this AJ storyline we'd be having a "Grayson is about to stomp AJ's head in" thread.

Right now, him calling out AJ Styles feels very much like a decade ago when Miz was calling out John Cena. Like he's punching way above his weight class.

And if they want the guy to matter, I don't know that him getting beat by AJ Styles and staying on NXT does anything for the dude, either. At least Miz was on the roster.

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Dec 28, 2021 17:17:05 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

Dec 28, 2021 16:43:25 GMT -5 häšhtå.gdālėÿ said:

Greyson Waller is more than TV ready, come on now. It’s not like he’s one of the new guys who’s only been wrestling for a year. Sending up Trick Williams, or Van Wafer, or even Tony D’Angelo would be guys who aren’t ready yet.

He’s obnoxious as hell, his old face character was abysmal, but he’s proven to be pretty talented as a wrestler when given matches. Like the random banger with Ciampa.

Yeah, my thinking is that one decent match (and I'll admit he held his own in Wargames, too) doesn't mean you should get TV time on RAW and a feud with AJ Styles. He's got some momentum from beating up Gargano, so build on that within developmental for a bit.

If it turns out AJ wanted to do this himself, great, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. For now, this just feels like WWE trying to push somebody without actually giving them the wins and ring time to back it up. And it's extra frustrating that all of this NXT crossover is happening now after they had dozens of TV ready performers in the system that they cut who will be better than Grayson Waller could ever hope to be.

I think your last part is a bit unfair since the guy still has time to improve but I can get where you’re coming from in a way.

Like I said, I wish this guy had more of an arc leading up to this because it tells a better story and builds your guy up as someone to watch instead of having the narrative happen over a couple of weeks and here you go, here’s the big match. It feels hollow in some ways.

And yeah, the NXT crossover is a bit annoying when the opportunities were there for months to do that because, regardless of all the developmental reshuffle or whether you think HHH or Vince’s vision of NXT is better or not, you had a TV show to promote for a substantial amount of time, plenty of time to promote it across shows you have substantial audiences with and dropped the ball on it. Doing it now just comes off like you only figured that out after people were likely calling for it for months.

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Dec 28, 2021 17:24:45 GMT -5 eJm said:

Dec 28, 2021 17:17:05 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

Yeah, my thinking is that one decent match (and I'll admit he held his own in Wargames, too) doesn't mean you should get TV time on RAW and a feud with AJ Styles. He's got some momentum from beating up Gargano, so build on that within developmental for a bit.

If it turns out AJ wanted to do this himself, great, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. For now, this just feels like WWE trying to push somebody without actually giving them the wins and ring time to back it up. And it's extra frustrating that all of this NXT crossover is happening now after they had dozens of TV ready performers in the system that they cut who will be better than Grayson Waller could ever hope to be.

I think your last part is a bit unfair since the guy still has time to improve but I can get where you’re coming from in a way.

Like I said, I wish this guy had more of an arc leading up to this because it tells a better story and builds your guy up as someone to watch instead of having the narrative happen over a couple of weeks and here you go, here’s the big match. It feels hollow in some ways.

And yeah, the NXT crossover is a bit annoying when the opportunities were there for months to do that because, regardless of all the developmental reshuffle or whether you think HHH or Vince’s vision of NXT is better or not, you had a TV show to promote for a substantial amount of time, plenty of time to promote it across shows you have substantial audiences with and dropped the ball on it. Doing it now just comes off like you only figured that out after people were likely calling for it for months.

Yeah, I'm willing to concede that part of my unwillingness to get into this story comes from frustration that they only now have figured out that they should have been doing stuff like this all along.

I guess I should also say that I'm not actively rooting for anyone to fail. It's just odd to me that this is the guy they've chosen for this spot when guys like Cameron Grimes are ready for TV and just sitting in developmental. It's lame.

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Bringing up Grimes just highlights the weirdness of everything… Waller’s getting the big push while not actually having won a lot of matches, Grimes isn’t really doing much, but he’s been winning his matches when he’s been out there, so…

This shit used to be simple. The people that won matches were the ones getting pushed, the ones that lost them weren’t. Now they just do whatever want to get from A to C without any thought to B.

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Dec 28, 2021 17:34:04 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Bringing up Grimes just highlights the weirdness of everything… Walker’s getting the big push while not actually having won a lot of matches, Grimes isn’t really doing much, but he’s been winning his matches when he’s been out there, so…

This shit used to be simple. The people that won matches were the ones getting pushed, the ones that lost them weren’t. Now they just do whatever want to get from A to C without any thought to B.

Yeah, it's a fair point. Grimes just came to mind because he's somebody that has a lot of support, a pedigree and is too good to be wasted in a player-coach role while he's in his prime. LA Knight's in the same boat.

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Dec 28, 2021 17:36:16 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

Dec 28, 2021 17:34:04 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Bringing up Grimes just highlights the weirdness of everything… Walker’s getting the big push while not actually having won a lot of matches, Grimes isn’t really doing much, but he’s been winning his matches when he’s been out there, so…

This shit used to be simple. The people that won matches were the ones getting pushed, the ones that lost them weren’t. Now they just do whatever want to get from A to C without any thought to B.

Yeah, it's a fair point. Grimes just came to mind because he's somebody that has a lot of support, a pedigree and is too good to be wasted in a player-coach role while he's in his prime. LA Knight's in the same boat.

Also, Grimes has an actual gimmick. He’s a lucky-to-be-rich dude whose learned a bit of humanity and earned the respect of the audience through his actions in the ring. Even if you made him just a regular rich dude and ignored the story arc in NXT, that’s more than most of the other people in NXT have right now.

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Worst part for Waller is his entire existence is now based around the fact he killed Gargano, but Gargano left and now they seemingly won't mention Gargano by name or even really show the assault because it'd put Gargano on camera again

It's all a giant mess where the execution was good, but only if Gargano was going to stay... and he didn't lmfao

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Dec 28, 2021 17:49:52 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Worst part for Waller is his entire existence is now based around the fact he killed Gargano, but Gargano left and now they seemingly won't mention Gargano by name or even really show the assault because it'd put Gargano on camera again

It's all a giant mess where the execution was good, but only if Gargano was going to stay... and he didn't lmfao

They could have made it work if you had Ciampa step up and be like, you took out my friend and now I'm going to take you out. But that would have also required them putting the Bron program on ice for a bit.