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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 13:12:30 GMT -5
I give it about a month before that moron Road Dogg gets owned, plays the victim, and deactivates his Twitter again.
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Post by msc on Jan 7, 2022 13:41:27 GMT -5
I don't think HHH will get cut, but I do think he and his allies might be bunkering down for the long game now. Vince is in his mid-70s and declining, and the Yes Men are all pushing 60 and not exactly bastions of good health. What will happen in the future is one day Vince will die (no, I don't wish it) and short of a big sale to Disney or someone (which tbh feels more in Vince's mind than reality like so many bigger than the wrestling ceiling ideas he's had), someone will need to step in, who has the stock. Short of Shane becoming less of a Freebird overnight, that's Stephanie by default. At which point, HHH, health permitting (and that is the big outlier we really don't know much about) will be on designated damage control to undone whatever this current regime have done to pro-wrestling. There are a number of folk sacked in the last 2 years that I think are only on hiatus from WWE - Regal for example here is sure to return if HHH has work for him. The womens division, developmental, etc will take a decade or so to build back up from their respective ashes. By this time Steph/HHH's kids were be active voices in wrestling too, which further pushes what power is left by then into the Steph court more than the other pretenders. They'll also have to do the equivalent of eating a lot of buckets of cold sick in public. It's just that we thought HHH/Steph were going to be Tiberius and confirmed heirs. They're going to go the Claudius route instead. And that had a lot of dead bodies in the wake too. Some great points there. This doesn't factor in Nick Khan Thou, While he is mostly in charge of revenue, It's not impossible to imagine Vince either getting him to learn other facets of the company or Hiring people with his mindset. Vince may be mentally declining but there is no way he hasn't had some kind of contingency to ensure that the product continues to be run in accordance with his wishes long after he's gone. Conservatively Vince could be in control until his mid 80's. Hell, I had a stubborn rotten landlord who was actively repairing his properties at 91 before he finally gave it up. Oh Nick Khan certainly could become the guy in charge, but the two things which strike against that, to my mind, are that I don't think the other McMahons will sell controlling shares to him (or that Vince is likely to give his up when alive), and that Khan here feels more like a short term disruptive influence, he's there to get the great Quarters in, but can he survive a few bad ones? I'm not yet convinced. Although on that landlord, reminds me of when my Uncle Richard died many years ago (aged 85, he had a good life and died in his sleep) and one of the people we told went "Oh no, and he was going to give me a lift into town at the weekend too!"
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Post by Legion on Jan 7, 2022 13:43:36 GMT -5
It's just that we thought HHH/Steph were going to be Tiberius and confirmed heirs. They're going to go the Claudius route instead. And that had a lot of dead bodies in the wake too. HHHunter is the Germanicus to Nick Khan's Sejanus, given how slow and poisonous the end is being. Auroa should likely start testing her food. Given how Vince loves to talk about his family, that makes Jess the Caesar and Vinnie J in to Augustus. Vince is Tiberius. We'll still have to go through a Caligula before we can get to a Claudius (Shane?)
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jan 7, 2022 17:01:05 GMT -5
Some great points there. This doesn't factor in Nick Khan Thou, While he is mostly in charge of revenue, It's not impossible to imagine Vince either getting him to learn other facets of the company or Hiring people with his mindset. Vince may be mentally declining but there is no way he hasn't had some kind of contingency to ensure that the product continues to be run in accordance with his wishes long after he's gone. Conservatively Vince could be in control until his mid 80's. Hell, I had a stubborn rotten landlord who was actively repairing his properties at 91 before he finally gave it up. Oh Nick Khan certainly could become the guy in charge, but the two things which strike against that, to my mind, are that I don't think the other McMahons will sell controlling shares to him (or that Vince is likely to give his up when alive), and that Khan here feels more like a short term disruptive influence, he's there to get the great Quarters in, but can he survive a few bad ones? I'm not yet convinced. Although on that landlord, reminds me of when my Uncle Richard died many years ago (aged 85, he had a good life and died in his sleep) and one of the people we told went "Oh no, and he was going to give me a lift into town at the weekend too!" :D Nick Khan has made the company so profitable and the stock so high that I doubt he could afford to buy enough stock from Vince to have a controlling interest.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jan 7, 2022 17:51:56 GMT -5
All Im gonna say is if HHH gets so pissed that he leaves and either buys out or partners with NWA or ROH, it's gonna sure shape 2022 to be maybe the craziest year of wrestling yet... coming off the year Punk, Bryan, and the entire original Undisputed Era showed up on AEW. I said earlier I could see Hunter leaving the company but there’s an absolute zero chance he goes somewhere to compete against Vince. That’s something that gets him and Steph kicked out of the will.
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 7, 2022 18:00:21 GMT -5
I wonder how much Triple H even cares anymore. A heart attack can change your priorities and with the way things have been going for the last couple of years, he might have figured the writing was on the wall and decided it's not worth fighting for. Take the easy job, pocket the corporate checks, and get even richer off all of the stock he owns with Steph.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 18:48:26 GMT -5
I'm surprised I'm the first one to speculate this.
But HHH is no longer with Stephanie, right?
I mean... That's what this is all about, right? Erasing him?
It all makes sense.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 7, 2022 18:52:43 GMT -5
I'm surprised I'm the first one to speculate this. But HHH is no longer with Stephanie, right? I mean... That's what this is all about, right? Erasing him? It all makes sense. Let's...not do that, yeah?
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jan 7, 2022 19:00:24 GMT -5
I'm surprised I'm the first one to speculate this. But HHH is no longer with Stephanie, right? I mean... That's what this is all about, right? Erasing him? It all makes sense. It would be a good reason for a normal person to want to destroy the hard work of someone. But Vince is not a normal person and does not need a reason like this, IMO.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 7, 2022 19:03:52 GMT -5
I give it about a month before that moron Road Dogg gets owned, plays the victim, and deactivates his Twitter again. Nah, he's no longer in danger of losing his job due to his stupid, he's going to go mask off and just quadruple down on every bad take.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 19:24:53 GMT -5
This man continues to be the gentlemen that he's oh so rightfully was shown to be for decades. That's the definition of a class act.
Now Sir Regal, we still gonna be throwing shots at the company but I respect your opinion lmao. I've already taken my watch off and rolled my sleeves up lol.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 7, 2022 19:30:10 GMT -5
I think people are viewing this as too much of a personal thing and ignoring the historical context. Everything done to NXT has been done before. Calling up talent with no notice and burying them with a dead end gimmick? Happened to OVW all the time, same brain trust doing it too. Abrupt firing of training staff who were well regarded? Ask Doctor Tom about that. Abrupt changes in direction for developmental? They severed the link to OVW and shut DSW overnight and built a new system from scratch. Mass developmental cuts? How many OVW and DSW talents were abruptly dropped over the years? The difference bow of course is that since they put developmental on TV and recruited from indies, people know their names so are more aware of those cut, unlike the Lift Sawyers and Buddy Stetchers of old.
Another thing that gets overlooked is that NXT have been hiring non wrestlers to train for years now and very few of them have come good, we love the Adam Coles of wrestling, but he wasn't what Vince wanted and Hunter wasn't turning out those types, hiring them then quietly releasing them despite all the money spent. This isn't personal, this is just Vince being Vince. He wasn't getting the types of talent he wanted, they didn't harm AEW and aren't doing main show ratings on TV so the baby went out with the bathwater, yet again. While I don't doubt Prichard gets some smug satisfaction from it, this was going to happen eventually because this always happens to developmental, if they weren't on TV and didn't have the PC, they would have done another complete reboot and fired all the staff rather than just a few.
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Post by Mecca on Jan 7, 2022 19:53:42 GMT -5
I'm surprised I'm the first one to speculate this. But HHH is no longer with Stephanie, right? I mean... That's what this is all about, right? Erasing him? It all makes sense. Triple H did something worse...he built his succession of Vince while Vince was still alive.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Jan 8, 2022 1:43:46 GMT -5
The difference bow of course is that since they put developmental on TV and recruited from indies, people know their names so are more aware of those cut, unlike the Lift Sawyers and Buddy Stetchers of old. Fun fact, Buddy Strecher is actually still wrestling today, as Sam Adonis, mostly in Mexico but sometimes in American indys.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 8, 2022 2:58:34 GMT -5
Classy statement by Regal. He's always said he's not the type for shoot interview like comments, helps makes him one of the (presumably) rare people in wrestling who can be trusted. The sort of person you might want to put in a mentor type role.
Really that's why this one is most baffling releases (only Bray compares), can't think of anyone better. Doesn't matter if you need help in ring, as a character, bakstage politics or general life advice he seems the best option to go to.
Others are either less trustworthy, less knowledgeable, haven't had the same lows or reached as high, are too intimidating or too involved in the day to day. I'm sure most are still good and do help but it's not as universal.
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Post by Ryushinku on Jan 8, 2022 6:10:25 GMT -5
The thing with Regal, too, is you know he absolutely means it. Eyes wide open.
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Post by markymark on Jan 8, 2022 8:25:06 GMT -5
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 8, 2022 9:44:28 GMT -5
Triple H isn't going to lose his house; he's not going to lose a penny; he's still going to be super rich; he's 52 years old with three daughters; I don't think this is the crushing blow to him that people make it out to be. It's like if Icarus flew too close to the sun, had his wings melt, and fell on a bed made of money.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jan 8, 2022 11:28:37 GMT -5
Triple H isn't going to lose his house; he's not going to lose a penny; he's still going to be super rich; he's 52 years old with three daughters; I don't think this is the crushing blow to him that people make it out to be. It's like if Icarus flew too close to the sun, had his wings melt, and fell on a bed made of money. It may not be a financial loss but it’s going to be a personal loss. There’s a lot of shit we can all say about HHH (and on a lot of those topics, he’s absolutely worthy of the disdain) but the one thing I never doubted is how much he loved the business and WWE in particular. To see his pet project dismantled and then to see the people who helped him realise that ambition one by one let go by that company and to top it all, it’s being signed off by his father in law, that’s going to hurt a man who hasn’t had the best time of late. I doubt his love for wrestling is even half of what it was. Yes, he’s got tons of money and a happy family life but I still feel sorry for anyone who worked that hard at something, made it work and then have it taken away for them.
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Post by Legion on Jan 8, 2022 11:54:08 GMT -5
I mean that could mean those guys might be back one day, but for Hunter, this has to be the face slap from old man Vince that is just him saying 'This is still all mine, damnit! You get nothing!' Vince really is just a spiteful old man at this point, one living in his own past and his own former glories. He'll never sell, he'll never retire. He'll die running a show somewhere.
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