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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 10, 2022 23:26:00 GMT -5
Feel like WWE could at least try and plan out their filler instead of just throwing names at a dartboard? Between this and Liv getting a months-long title feud off the strength of, uh, repeatedly losing to Carmella in 90 seconds they're not exactly giving Becky worthwhile challengers.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 10, 2022 23:27:59 GMT -5
WWE doesn't know how to book women anymore, and with Bruce and Johnny Ace overseeing them again, they aren't even pretending to try
Everything is meaningless outside of four women, and even when one of those women gets hurt, nothing changes.
Not really shocking Toni Storm peaced out...
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Post by ISO Mid Thigh Pull on Jan 10, 2022 23:30:09 GMT -5
Honestly Doudrop vs. Becky is probably the most interesting out of the 3 cause I haven't seen them wrestle before and also it's not a 3rd half hour barnburner with Liv Morgan so I'm down for it.
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Post by Chiral on Jan 10, 2022 23:31:34 GMT -5
The Raw women's division mainly exists so Becky can confuse the fans who want to cheer her by calling them losers and then shout obnoxiously about how much of a loser her latest opponent is en route to rolling them up so I'm not surprised they hastily are throwing Doudrop at her without thinking it through.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 10, 2022 23:31:42 GMT -5
At the same time, it suits the story of Becky being afraid of Bianca to help the woman who Bianca beat repeatedly get a title shot.
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Post by koreycaskets on Jan 10, 2022 23:36:02 GMT -5
The back of a new WWE shirt should say on it ..IT IS WHAT IT IS.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 10, 2022 23:38:24 GMT -5
The fact that we’ve just gone in a big circle for a year with Bianca is another problem. No one else knew has been built up.
This company is incapable of building more than 1 or 2 people at a time.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 10, 2022 23:40:26 GMT -5
At the same time, it suits the story of Becky being afraid of Bianca to help the woman who Bianca beat repeatedly get a title shot. When the division is so stagnant that the only actual option is Bianca, and they're dragging that out over months to the point the contender is now a woman with zero credibility, its not really a great story tbh. Especially when Becky already beat Bianca in seconds clean as a sheet.
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Post by robferatu on Jan 10, 2022 23:44:13 GMT -5
Storyline wise, it’s clear that Becky Lynch doesn’t want to face BeLair again. So, the former costing the latter the match makes sense.
Company wise, it’s obvious they want to save that match for one of the nights of “Wrestlemania” and having Morgan challenge for the title again after essentially losing cleanly at Day 1 and failing to overcome Lynch for the second time isn’t ideal.
At least going with Doudrop at the “Royal Rumble” presents a change of pace, and is something new and different.
I mean, the result of a going to be the same, but I much prefer this direction at the second biggest show of the year than the alternatives.
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Post by mistery on Jan 10, 2022 23:45:28 GMT -5
The fact that we’ve just gone in a big circle for a year with Bianca is another problem. No one else knew has been built up. This company is incapable of building more than 1 or 2 people at a time. Yup. It's BLATANTLY obvious who is winning the Rumble now. It's going to be Bianca. And it's going to suck. It doesn't help that they've had...Bianca bulldoze over the entire division on her path back to Becky, so she has literally zero credible threats even if she does win the title at Wrestlemania. Again. I'm sure someone will say Sasha or Alexa will win the Rumble, but I don't think either of them will. Charlotte isn't trying to duck Sasha like Becky is with Bianca. It's little wonder why people are wanting women like Io, Dakota, Asuka, etc to all leave the company at this point. There's no place for them at the top, and if you aren't being booked in the title scene then you literally don't matter.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 10, 2022 23:47:04 GMT -5
That’s the problem with the company in general. Like I do not want to turn this into a WWE vs. AEW debate. But still, with the latter, it’s telling that guys like Moxley, Jericho, Omega, etc can go away for lojg stretches, and things can still progress. The women aren’t booked nearly as well, but there’s still a few women who could plausibly step up if Britt Baker is not around.
With WWE, if they lose Becky or Bianca. They’re screwed. If they lose Sasha or Charlotte, same deal. If they lose Roman, wow they are mega screwed, etc.
That’s the issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 6:16:17 GMT -5
I love Bianca, but I thought Doudrop was the most interesting choice. Not because I think she's going to win, but the match is at least something different. I just wish she'd been squashing women like Dana and Nikki A.S.H. in the weeks leading up to it instead of losing to Bianca over and over.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 11, 2022 6:25:50 GMT -5
I will grant them that it was at least something to have Becky rush the ring, only to get embarrassed by Doudrop effortlessly avoiding getting slammed by her and just shoving Becky out of the ring. Having Becky get embarrassed a bit for a change was nice.
I do think that they could, and should, be doing a lot more to get the women over, but I do get at least that they're going the paper tiger route by having Becky weaseling out of the match she should be having. I am a little annoyed that I suspect that when Becky and Bianca do cross paths, they'll try to be oh-so-clever and have Bianca beat her in seconds. It makes sense, but it also really just kind of plays into shit like the Queen tournament, where WWE gleefully books incredibly short women's matches and heaps time on the main eventers. It's frustrating.
I imagine things will improve for the women a bit whenever Asuka and Bayley return, but while they're over and credible, they do not a division make and only partially would help the serious depth problems.
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Post by mistery on Jan 11, 2022 6:27:23 GMT -5
I will grant them that it was at least something to have Becky rush the ring, only to get embarrassed by Doudrop effortlessly avoiding getting slammed by her and just shoving Becky out of the ring. Having Becky get embarrassed a bit for a change was nice. I do think that they could, and should, be doing a lot more to get the women over, but I do get at least that they're going the paper tiger route by having Becky weaseling out of the match she should be having. I am a little annoyed that I suspect that when Becky and Bianca do cross paths, they'll try to be oh-so-clever and have Bianca beat her in seconds. It makes sense, but it also really just kind of plays into shit like the Queen tournament, where WWE gleefully books incredibly short women's matches and heaps time on the main eventers. It's frustrating. I imagine things will improve for the women a bit whenever Asuka and Bayley return, but while they're over and credible, they do not a division make and only partially would help the serious depth problems. Bayley maybe. But there is no chance booking improves for Asuka if she isn't in the title scene either. She will be just as poorly booked timewise.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 11, 2022 6:40:14 GMT -5
I will grant them that it was at least something to have Becky rush the ring, only to get embarrassed by Doudrop effortlessly avoiding getting slammed by her and just shoving Becky out of the ring. Having Becky get embarrassed a bit for a change was nice. I do think that they could, and should, be doing a lot more to get the women over, but I do get at least that they're going the paper tiger route by having Becky weaseling out of the match she should be having. I am a little annoyed that I suspect that when Becky and Bianca do cross paths, they'll try to be oh-so-clever and have Bianca beat her in seconds. It makes sense, but it also really just kind of plays into shit like the Queen tournament, where WWE gleefully books incredibly short women's matches and heaps time on the main eventers. It's frustrating. I imagine things will improve for the women a bit whenever Asuka and Bayley return, but while they're over and credible, they do not a division make and only partially would help the serious depth problems. Bayley maybe. But there is no chance booking improves for Asuka if she isn't in the title scene either. She will be just as poorly booked timewise. Yeah, likely, though Asuka's at least good enough to generally make do with crap, even if it's obviously a waste of her.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 11, 2022 7:44:49 GMT -5
At the same time, it suits the story of Becky being afraid of Bianca to help the woman who Bianca beat repeatedly get a title shot. When the division is so stagnant that the only actual option is Bianca, and they're dragging that out over months to the point the contender is now a woman with zero credibility, its not really a great story tbh. Especially when Becky already beat Bianca in seconds clean as a sheet. The story is that it wasn’t clean as a sheet (even if it didn’t come off that way).
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 11, 2022 7:47:21 GMT -5
That’s the problem with the company in general. Like I do not want to turn this into a WWE vs. AEW debate. But still, with the latter, it’s telling that guys like Moxley, Jericho, Omega, etc can go away for lojg stretches, and things can still progress. The women aren’t booked nearly as well, but there’s still a few women who could plausibly step up if Britt Baker is not around. With WWE, if they lose Becky or Bianca. They’re screwed. If they lose Sasha or Charlotte, same deal. If they lose Roman, wow they are mega screwed, etc. That’s the issue. They’ve gone long stretches over the last few years without each of those (Becky, Bianca, Charlotte, Sasha, and Roman) and they’ve been fine.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 11, 2022 7:54:11 GMT -5
The fact that we’ve just gone in a big circle for a year with Bianca is another problem. No one else knew has been built up. This company is incapable of building more than 1 or 2 people at a time. Yup. It's BLATANTLY obvious who is winning the Rumble now. It's going to be Bianca. And it's going to suck. It doesn't help that they've had...Bianca bulldoze over the entire division on her path back to Becky, so she has literally zero credible threats even if she does win the title at Wrestlemania It's a vicious cycle that applies to any of the other Horeswomen. They've been booked as the only women who matter, so the only ones that matter are whichever Horesewomen has the title and whoever is challenging them at the moment. Why should I give a f*** about Alexa's return, Lacey's impeding return or any possible NXT callup?
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Post by mistery on Jan 11, 2022 8:04:17 GMT -5
Yup. It's BLATANTLY obvious who is winning the Rumble now. It's going to be Bianca. And it's going to suck. It doesn't help that they've had...Bianca bulldoze over the entire division on her path back to Becky, so she has literally zero credible threats even if she does win the title at Wrestlemania It's a vicious cycle that applies to any of the other Horeswomen. They've been booked as the only women who matter, so the only ones that matter are whichever Horesewomen has the title and whoever is challenging them at the moment. Why should I give a f*** about Alexa's return, Lacey's impeding return or any possible NXT callup? Yup. Like if you are a huge fan of Bianca you are probably fine with this. But if you are a fan of a non-horsewoman or Bianca, why should we waste our time with this product now? It's blatantly obvious that any woman outside of the horsewoman clique or Bianca is not going to be respected. It's why I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of the more talented women who are being neglected end up going elsewhere when their deals are up. I mean look at Kairi Sane. WWE is incredibly desperate to keep her. But she is already being built up for a return to Stardom. And while I think her wanting to remain in Japan plays a major factor, part of me thinks she realizes she will never be treated as a serious wrestler in WWE either. And that is entirely WWE's fault because they refuse to build up other women. It's all about the horsewomen and Bianca. No other woman gets a chance to show off or get over.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jan 11, 2022 8:35:58 GMT -5
It’s a throwaway Rumble match that also planted the seeds for the big Becky / Bianca rematch at Mania. I honestly see no issue with it. 🤷♂️
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