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Post by 06vwgti on Jan 11, 2022 11:45:37 GMT -5
I was so distracted by Seth's outfits that I never noticed his losing streak...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 11:48:29 GMT -5
I hope so, he belongs in movies. What kind of movies?
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Post by Chainsaw on Jan 11, 2022 15:37:40 GMT -5
The entirety of Big E's championship run sounds like a depressing series of losses that amounted to nothing. Imagine having a guy that's built like him, is a charismatic guy, is a proven merch mover (with New Day, granted, but still), gets you attention outside of the company, and this is how you treat him, as a sacrificial lamb. Drives me nuts.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 11, 2022 15:43:47 GMT -5
No, they’re just done with him as a main event guy unfortunately.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 18:43:43 GMT -5
because as much as we WANT more clean finishes in WWE, we only want them when it suits us. ...yes? I'm not booking them, so why would I want clean finishes if I think it hurts people I like and who I think would be damaged by them?
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Post by defectiveepitaph on Jan 11, 2022 18:54:44 GMT -5
I hope so, he belongs in movies. What kind of movies? The kind involving big meaty men slapping meat 😈
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 11, 2022 18:56:26 GMT -5
It's just WWE's short-sightedness and lack of an upper-midcard coming home to roost. They needed to quickly rehabilitate Rollins and make him seem like a threat for Reigns, so he beat Big E because there's nobody else with any credibility other than Lashley, and he needs to stay hot for Lesnar.
After Seth loses to Roman and they decide they need to make Big E look like a threat again, Big E will get his win back and the circle will keep on turning.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jan 11, 2022 19:23:55 GMT -5
This was a match that didn't need to happen. They both need wins and a lost to each puts them steps backwards. This is WWE booking. Big E is falling fast. Not just because he lost the title. But he also lost to Lashley who had two matches already when it happened. As well as Roman beating him. They made him look weak which is what they do with Babyfaces now. The biggest draw is a heel because he booked strong and not stupid. The faces have to be weak and stupid? That why they can't become draws.
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Jan 11, 2022 20:05:18 GMT -5
Owens' family tested positive for COVID a few days ago so he's probably quarantining and taking care of them. So I guess this was all they could think of to do. I wonder if Adam Pearce also tested positive after snooping around KO's trash. Adam Pearce: That's right! You fat cats didn't finish all your plankton. Now its mine. *runs away*
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 13, 2022 1:25:06 GMT -5
because as much as we WANT more clean finishes in WWE, we only want them when it suits us. ...yes? I'm not booking them, so why would I want clean finishes if I think it hurts people I like and who I think would be damaged by them? The issue for me is that I believe that it clashes with the blanket disdain the fanbase has towards dirty finishes, protected finishes and DQs/countouts. If you want those not to happen, then the only alternatives are clean finishes or draws. If the issue is then “I don’t want my favourite guys to lose” then… Well, f***, that’s just being a fan, isn’t it? Everyone wants their favourites to win big matches and championship belts and have great storylines and whatnot, but it has to be balanced with the fact that A) Not everyone is a fan of the same wrestler you are B) You may not be a fan of a wrestler that someone else likes and C) Somebody has to lose for there to be literally any progression, otherwise what’s the reason for any of this?
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 13, 2022 6:51:49 GMT -5
...yes? I'm not booking them, so why would I want clean finishes if I think it hurts people I like and who I think would be damaged by them? The issue for me is that I believe that it clashes with the blanket disdain the fanbase has towards dirty finishes, protected finishes and DQs/countouts. If you want those not to happen, then the only alternatives are clean finishes or draws. If the issue is then “I don’t want my favourite guys to lose” then… Well, f***, that’s just being a fan, isn’t it? Everyone wants their favourites to win big matches and championship belts and have great storylines and whatnot, but it has to be balanced with the fact that A) Not everyone is a fan of the same wrestler you are B) You may not be a fan of a wrestler that someone else likes and C) Somebody has to lose for there to be literally any progression, otherwise what’s the reason for any of this? I do wish WWE could go back to the self contained sports league aspect they had pre-Attitude era instead of this protective booking nonsense. I mean, let's take tennis as an example. Rodger Federer can lose first round of Wimbledon to an up and comer but it doesn't diminish him as a star and former champion. People still support him and will watch him at the next Open where he will advance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 12:13:56 GMT -5
...yes? I'm not booking them, so why would I want clean finishes if I think it hurts people I like and who I think would be damaged by them? The issue for me is that I believe that it clashes with the blanket disdain the fanbase has towards dirty finishes, protected finishes and DQs/countouts. If you want those not to happen, then the only alternatives are clean finishes or draws. If the issue is then “I don’t want my favourite guys to lose” then… Well, f***, that’s just being a fan, isn’t it? Everyone wants their favourites to win big matches and championship belts and have great storylines and whatnot, but it has to be balanced with the fact that A) Not everyone is a fan of the same wrestler you are B) You may not be a fan of a wrestler that someone else likes and C) Somebody has to lose for there to be literally any progression, otherwise what’s the reason for any of this? At the end of the day, though, all that precedes from the idea that they're doing things correctly. Sure, my favorite wrestler loses and I'm to accept it because it's best for business. But, we're talking about a company that notoriously doesn't listen to their audience with bookers and writers with incredibly high overturn. Why does Brock get the title? You're fooling yourself if it's because he has the most fans or that they could even prove that either way. But, again, why should I give a f*** if "the right person" gets the title? If I'm not entertained by them, I don't owe them a goddamn thing. And I don't watch them, so f*** them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 14:27:44 GMT -5
I love that people still try to analyze WWE booking as though its thought out ahead of time.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 13, 2022 14:37:41 GMT -5
The issue for me is that I believe that it clashes with the blanket disdain the fanbase has towards dirty finishes, protected finishes and DQs/countouts. If you want those not to happen, then the only alternatives are clean finishes or draws. If the issue is then “I don’t want my favourite guys to lose” then… Well, f***, that’s just being a fan, isn’t it? Everyone wants their favourites to win big matches and championship belts and have great storylines and whatnot, but it has to be balanced with the fact that A) Not everyone is a fan of the same wrestler you are B) You may not be a fan of a wrestler that someone else likes and C) Somebody has to lose for there to be literally any progression, otherwise what’s the reason for any of this? At the end of the day, though, all that precedes from the idea that they're doing things correctly. Sure, my favorite wrestler loses and I'm to accept it because it's best for business. But, we're talking about a company that notoriously doesn't listen to their audience with bookers and writers with incredibly high overturn. Why does Brock get the title? You're fooling yourself if it's because he has the most fans or that they could even prove that either way. But, again, why should I give a f*** if "the right person" gets the title? If I'm not entertained by them, I don't owe them a goddamn thing. And I don't watch them, so f*** them. Understand your point in general, but Brock is a legitimate draw for them, and the Lesnar-Reigns feud has been a needle mover as far as ticket sales and ratings go, according to Meltzer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 15:29:21 GMT -5
Big E failed as WWE Champion.
Most of it is down to booking but honestly, he just isn't a main event talent. The crowd didn't care one bit about his matches or title run.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jan 13, 2022 15:41:41 GMT -5
Big E failed as WWE Champion. Most of it is down to booking but honestly, he just isn't a main event talent. The crowd didn't care one bit about his matches or title run. You know how I look at this run? Bret Hart's first. Yes, he had the title. Yes, it was a moment. And he had some good matches. Then a heel came along and took the title from him. He went back to the midcard until the Rumble. Came out on top at Wrestlemania and had a 2nd run that really felt like this true coronation at Wrestlemania X. This is what I see with E. His second run will be his true title reign.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 13, 2022 16:11:53 GMT -5
Big E failed as WWE Champion. Most of it is down to booking but honestly, he just isn't a main event talent. The crowd didn't care one bit about his matches or title run. You know how I look at this run? Bret Hart's first. Yes, he had the title. Yes, it was a moment. And he had some good matches. Then a heel came along and took the title from him. He went back to the midcard until the Rumble. Came out on top at Wrestlemania and had a 2nd run that really felt like this true coronation at Wrestlemania X. This is what I see with E. His second run will be his true title reign. That’s a good parallel. He did feel like he didn’t have a long enough chase and story before getting the title so that when he was on top, he was over but not super over to the extent that you’d expect him to be a permanent main eventer now. I think the right story could get him there if they’re so inclined.
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Post by crowley1986 on Jan 13, 2022 16:23:03 GMT -5
Big E failed as WWE Champion. Most of it is down to booking but honestly, he just isn't a main event talent. The crowd didn't care one bit about his matches or title run. You know how I look at this run? Bret Hart's first. Yes, he had the title. Yes, it was a moment. And he had some good matches. Then a heel came along and took the title from him. He went back to the midcard until the Rumble. Came out on top at Wrestlemania and had a 2nd run that really felt like this true coronation at Wrestlemania X. This is what I see with E. His second run will be his true title reign. Or Punks first reign in 08
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Post by dbrussel on Jan 21, 2022 23:28:18 GMT -5
No...but he's closer to the New Day reunion and start clowning around with them again Like clockwork
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 22, 2022 0:05:47 GMT -5
If E don't win the Rumble it feels like he's being snuffed out from the main event, just like Kofi was, but somehow with a worse world title run when all is said and done.
The fact he went from world champion to slumming it against Happy Corbin and Madcap Moss is... not great, it's downright embarrassing tbh, I get it's like a "New Day Reunion" and probably done out of necessity, but it still don't make the optics look any better.
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