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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 13:42:44 GMT -5
Paul Heyman in ECW was well know to book wrestlers really well around their strengths. Sandman was a cane swinging, beer chugging brawler. He wasn’t asked to do a 60 min iron man match (as far as I am aware).
What made me think of this is EVIL’s booking in NJPW currently. Here’s a guy who should be having 15 minute brawls, essentially daring his opponents to survive. Instead we have a bunch of interference from HoT that’s more suited to a guy like Jay White and really has hurt EVIL.
Another recent I feel is Jericho in AEW. His greatest strength is recreating himself and getting over. His biggest problem is tied right to that. He gets a thing over as a heel (like singing Judas), turns face, then is not that good as a face. Rinse and repeat.
What are some other instances of booking or the wrestlers themselves being placed in an area that does not play to their strengths at all?
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Post by karl100589 on Jan 11, 2022 13:46:51 GMT -5
Turning heavyweight Lucha Cain Velasquez into a generic hoss
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Post by Hypnosis on Jan 11, 2022 13:57:36 GMT -5
-WWE letting Ricochet talk too often -Baron Corbin doing lengthy TV matches -Alexa Bliss wrestling as a dominating monster heel -Heel Ruby Riott
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Post by jimmyjames on Jan 11, 2022 16:01:10 GMT -5
Big Cass in WWE compared to what he is in Impact now. A take no prisoners gives no F's hoss who's straight to the point on the mic.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 11, 2022 16:02:35 GMT -5
Another recent I feel is Jericho in AEW. His greatest strength is recreating himself and getting over. His biggest problem is tied right to that. He gets a thing over as a heel (like singing Judas), turns face, then is not that good as a face. Rinse and repeat. That's just been Jericho in his whole career. He's way stronger as a heel than a face. I think the last time he was any sort of good as a face was the Attitude Era.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 16:18:54 GMT -5
Eh, Sandman wrestled more early on, especially as a heel. It also took about two years for him to start drinking and smoking at the ring and even then it was different than the beer bash style he'd later use.
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Post by sportatorium on Jan 11, 2022 16:27:45 GMT -5
For years, Luke/Doc Gallows has been used as a big silent monster and he's one of the most naturally witty and engaging speakers in the business. WWE did the same with Luke Harper. His breaking away from Bray Wyatt could have been an incredible program if he had been allowed to develop what became Brodie Lee.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 11, 2022 16:34:00 GMT -5
You could tell from his brief AEW run that Brodie was horribly miscast as a southern hick when he could be a tremendous talker if you let him be himself.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 11, 2022 16:39:36 GMT -5
Diesel in the WWF, being a hand slapping, glove shilling face.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jan 11, 2022 19:29:41 GMT -5
Matt Morgan ever being allowed within the same room as a microphone
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Post by SirLucas on Jan 12, 2022 8:37:43 GMT -5
Gentleman Jack Gallagher should have been that small guy used as an underdog babyface bumping for larger guys. He should have been booked similar to how Spike Dudley was used in ECW. Instead when they always had him to work with guy of similar size, it didn't help to accentuate his unique look and ring persona.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jan 12, 2022 9:07:09 GMT -5
Matt Morgan ever being allowed within the same room as a microphone My only problem with his promos was whenever Morgan was a face in TNA, because of how unlikeable he sounded.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 9:59:40 GMT -5
Morgan also had the problem of having all his offense look like shit.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 12, 2022 10:02:50 GMT -5
Jarrett never had to be a shitty world champion in WCW. I do think having him win the belt had merit, but they went about it the most ass-backwards way. Really, you could say the same about the world title scene in general in that time frame. DDP wasn't exactly done any favors by how they handled him as world champion. It made his zenith seem so long ago in the span of what, 2 years, tops?
Like, Steiner is maybe the only person whose world champion run in WCW's death throes wasn't shitty. Booker T obviously had the merit, but was either booked to look like a dumbass or like a store brand Rock. Makes me wonder whose idea it was to lean into humor with him more in WWE because it feels like he showed more personality in 2002 than his top run in WCW about 5 times over. (Okay, 5 times, 5 times, 5 times, 5 times, 5 times over.)
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Post by tafkaga on Jan 12, 2022 10:23:59 GMT -5
One of the best and most oft-mentioned examples is WWF babyface Luger.
Ted DiBiase as NWO financier was wonderful. Ted DiBiase as Steiners babyface manager was absolute dead weight.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jan 12, 2022 10:38:53 GMT -5
Jarrett never had to be a shitty world champion in WCW. I do think having him win the belt had merit, but they went about it the most ass-backwards way. Really, you could say the same about the world title scene in general in that time frame. DDP wasn't exactly done any favors by how they handled him as world champion. It made his zenith seem so long ago in the span of what, 2 years, tops? Like, Steiner is maybe the only person whose world champion run in WCW's death throes wasn't shitty. Booker T obviously had the merit, but was either booked to look like a dumbass or like a store brand Rock. Makes me wonder whose idea it was to lean into humor with him more in WWE because it feels like he showed more personality in 2002 than his top run in WCW about 5 times over. (Okay, 5 times, 5 times, 5 times, 5 times, 5 times over.) Thats because the belt is just a prop and you are a mark tor thinking anyone should care about it. I mean wouldnt Raiders have been better if when the Nazis stole the Ark Indy just said whatever its fake anyway and went home?
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jan 12, 2022 11:47:28 GMT -5
Another recent I feel is Jericho in AEW. His greatest strength is recreating himself and getting over. His biggest problem is tied right to that. He gets a thing over as a heel (like singing Judas), turns face, then is not that good as a face. Rinse and repeat. That's just been Jericho in his whole career. He's way stronger as a heel than a face. I think the last time he was any sort of good as a face was the Attitude Era. Its just weird with Jericho. He turns face because he was doing something as a heel the fans just loved. He goes face and water himself down, instead just keep going. He face run he was only good with promos when he went against MJF. That was it. Crimson in TNA having this undefeated streak. They act like he was the next Goldberg but he was so green and his matches most times he didn't look dominated.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 12, 2022 12:43:26 GMT -5
That's just been Jericho in his whole career. He's way stronger as a heel than a face. I think the last time he was any sort of good as a face was the Attitude Era. Its just weird with Jericho. He turns face because he was doing something as a heel the fans just loved. He goes face and water himself down, instead just keep going. He face run he was only good with promos when he went against MJF. That was it. Crimson in TNA having this undefeated streak. They act like he was the next Goldberg but he was so green and his matches most times he didn't look dominated. To be fair, Goldberg was also greener than a football pitch, the difference is WCW knew how to protect him while they threw Crimson to the wolves at a time the audience was pissed.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 12, 2022 13:07:53 GMT -5
Another recent I feel is Jericho in AEW. His greatest strength is recreating himself and getting over. His biggest problem is tied right to that. He gets a thing over as a heel (like singing Judas), turns face, then is not that good as a face. Rinse and repeat. That's just been Jericho in his whole career. He's way stronger as a heel than a face. I think the last time he was any sort of good as a face was the Attitude Era. He’s a fantastic face if he’s facing the right heel. You could argue he should have held the WWF title for at least a few weeks after he won it off HHH that one Raw, it was a massive pop that they quickly stipulated away for more heat.
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Post by nickcave on Jan 12, 2022 13:23:17 GMT -5
EC3 in WWE being booked as a mute
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