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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 15:10:08 GMT -5
I think the bigger question about a heel Cena is this. Say Cena turned heel and stayed that way for a few years. Say he's that black singlet, old school Cuphead/Roaring 20s era styled heel who's dangerous like I mentioned before. Eventually it would be time for Roman's coronation and instead of Lesnar, he'd be facing Cena.
Would that crowd still have heavily booed Reigns then or would they have warmed up to heel Cena by then?
Personally, I think that the crowd would eventually warm up to Cena so Reigns is screwed regardless. I see nobody who'd make the crowd cheer "Royal Rumble 2015 era Reigns" no matter how heely they are.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 13, 2022 15:40:35 GMT -5
I don't think I'll ever get over seemingly never even contemplating Cena Vs 'Taker while the streak was in tact. That was the way to do a heel turn.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 15:58:08 GMT -5
Honestly, I think it would have been interesting to at least try it. He cut the promo about how he knew he could beat the Rock, and it really did feel like that was the direction they were going.
He talks about character of virtue, but there are ways to still try to apply that in a way which makes sense in a heel's mind. Remember, no one in real life thinks they're a bad person or the bad guy, they can always find justification for their actions and it's something worth trying.
I didn't watch live, but I remember my reaction when nothing happened.
"So he just beat him, huh? Oh okay."
Nothing new. No fresh angle to go in. This was probably their last chance to do something different with the Cena character, I don't think that chance will ever come again.
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Post by Instant Classic on Jan 13, 2022 17:45:05 GMT -5
I remember him saying he had wrestling gear made for a heel turn, I’d love to know what it looks like.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Jan 13, 2022 17:53:28 GMT -5
Nothing says “character of virtue” like slut-shaming Lita and Eve Marie
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 18:16:27 GMT -5
Nothing says “character of virtue” like slut-shaming Lita and Eve Marie Yeah, but it's WWE. They wanted their women to be super sexy and in Playboy but they should never dare to enjoy it or use sexuality for their own benefit. Imagine the craziness of Lita telling the fans who called her a slut about Matt's emotional abuse.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jan 13, 2022 18:29:20 GMT -5
I remember him saying he had wrestling gear made for a heel turn, I’d love to know what it looks like. {Spoiler}{I mean, Id boo this}NAKED JOHN CENA WHO SKIPS LEG DAY 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 18:57:44 GMT -5
I remember him saying he had wrestling gear made for a heel turn, I’d love to know what it looks like. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{I mean, Id boo this}NAKED JOHN CENA WHO SKIPS LEG DAY 🤔Does this confirm the return of Naked Mideon?
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Post by King Devitt on Jan 13, 2022 20:37:47 GMT -5
I think if Cena was actually a character of virtue I would have liked him a lot more.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jan 13, 2022 20:42:39 GMT -5
I think if Cena was actually a character of virtue I would have liked him a lot more. I want that to be listed under his name during his entrances. JOHN CENA character of virtue
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jan 13, 2022 20:45:43 GMT -5
Nothing says “character of virtue” like slut-shaming Lita and Eve Marie Yeah, but it's WWE. They wanted their women to be super sexy and in Playboy but they should never dare to enjoy it or use sexuality for their own benefit. Imagine the craziness of Lita telling the fans who called her a slut about Matt's emotional abuse. I'll be damned, I never once thought about that until this very moment. That the company pushes and celebrates their female wrestlers doing sexy shoots and Playboy centerfolds, while at the same time letting them be denounced as sluts and whores. I guess the commonality in both situations is that the women are being used in service to the company, either to celebrate or demean them as women.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 13, 2022 21:10:32 GMT -5
He talked about this on Jericho's podcast years ago. It got as far as him recording a new theme song and having new gear made but Vince pulled the plug at the last minute. From what I remember around the time Chris Hero said that Cena didn't get the gear fully made he had the designs and put the down payment on it in. When it was cancelled, so Cena went to Developmental and let them use the credit.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jan 13, 2022 21:35:09 GMT -5
Make him Doink
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 14, 2022 0:16:27 GMT -5
I remember him saying he had wrestling gear made for a heel turn, I’d love to know what it looks like. He might've busted it out on a Total Divas, actually... www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Akx_Zi2jTY"FEAR MY NAME" sounds like something that'd go with a heel run. Presumably he doesn't wear the mask, though.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 14, 2022 7:18:24 GMT -5
I always wanted a heel Cena that changed almost nothing character wise and believed he was still a hero. Shouting 'doin' it for the kids!' while brutalising lower card babyfaces with a chair.
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Post by The Barber on Jan 14, 2022 9:28:27 GMT -5
I’ve never understood this revisionist history. I did a 2001 rewatch not too long ago and it’s only when he started to veer into comedic territory during the late summer that his stuff sometimes got pops. When he was pure vicious bastard heel he always got booed. I'm speaking for The Barber, but I took what he said as nobody was booing him before the heel turn, in other words, nobody wanted to boo him. Cena was getting booed out of the building for years. Turning heel and bashing the crowd for booing him could've worked.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Jan 14, 2022 18:05:14 GMT -5
The question is, if Cena became mega heel, who would have been the faces that would have put over during the heel turn? And how badly would they have f***ed that part of the booking up.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jan 14, 2022 18:12:53 GMT -5
The problem is, they would've turned Cena heel against the Rock, then a couple months later swapped him back into exactly the same face character he was before like nothing happened, which would've achieved f*** all except killing the remaining audience investment in his character.
Because that's how WWE's constantly handled alignment changes over the last few decades, and it's a major factor in why they have no stars anymore.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 14, 2022 19:23:42 GMT -5
Personally I'm glad he never turned heel. It would've seemed like he gave in to his critics. Sticking to his values in spite of the criticism makes him a stronger character in my eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 21:13:20 GMT -5
I like that the underlying context here is "Yeah, Vince, I'll turn heel, but only if you don't half-ass it and go all in with it and don't get cold feet about it" "Goddamn, pal. You're right. You're staying a baby face."
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