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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 20, 2022 16:58:08 GMT -5
I mean the ratings would've still done bad as they have been consistently super low for months but the advertising for it was terrible. All the ads were centered around Elektra Lopez who ended up not doing much on the show. Nothing against her but it's not like she's a major character on the show either. As much as we joke about Toxic Attraction and their forced push with them putting so much emphasis on sex appeal at least they are pushed as the main characters of the women's divisions so it made sense when they would be part of the NXT ad on Monday and Friday Night. Elektra is the valet for a midcard stable who occasinonally wrestles. Like why not hype the Walter-Strong match? Probably wouldn't have helped much but would've been better then what they did.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 20, 2022 23:44:19 GMT -5
It's never not gonna be funny that Vince and CO took over NXT and tried to make it their vision of what is "Hip" and "Cool with the kids", and their key demo is at record lows while 60 year olds dominate the viewership more and more.
I'm not a huge HHH fan, but I love that his brand and vision of NXT is really starting to show it was the superior version to whatever the hell "NEW New Generation" thing Vince has been trying to do these days... the show's not awful, it has it's moments and its characters... but it's not working, it's not doing better than what came before it, and that was clearly the plan. It's actually just doing the exact opposite of its intention, and that's hilarious lol.
YEAH, IT'S LIKE THAT!
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 20, 2022 23:51:43 GMT -5
It's never not gonna be funny that Vince and CO took over NXT and tried to make it their vision of what is "Hip" and "Cool with the kids", and their key demo is at record lows while 60 year olds dominate the viewership more and more. I'm not a huge HHH fan, but I love that his brand and vision of NXT is really starting to show it was the superior version to whatever the hell "NEW New Generation" thing Vince has been trying to do these days... the show's not awful, it has it's moments and its characters... but it's not working, it's not doing better than what came before it, and that was clearly the plan. It's actually just doing the exact opposite of its intention, and that's hilarious lol. YEAH, IT'S LIKE THAT! It’s becoming more developmental and will have more of the NXT stars being able to transition seamlessly to the main roster in their developmental form would be the hope.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 21, 2022 0:04:03 GMT -5
It's never not gonna be funny that Vince and CO took over NXT and tried to make it their vision of what is "Hip" and "Cool with the kids", and their key demo is at record lows while 60 year olds dominate the viewership more and more. I'm not a huge HHH fan, but I love that his brand and vision of NXT is really starting to show it was the superior version to whatever the hell "NEW New Generation" thing Vince has been trying to do these days... the show's not awful, it has it's moments and its characters... but it's not working, it's not doing better than what came before it, and that was clearly the plan. It's actually just doing the exact opposite of its intention, and that's hilarious lol. YEAH, IT'S LIKE THAT! It’s becoming more developmental and will have more of the NXT stars being able to transition seamlessly to the main roster in their developmental form would be the hope. They're making it more FCW than what the original plan was, my thing is, I really do think eventually it needs to transition to Peacock, and maybe just be an hour and done in tapings. It's proving to not be very sustainable as a two hour live broadcast, a lot of these wrestlers need a ton of work. It might help when it comes to main roster transitions yes, that is the hope, given these are all Vince seen and approved gimmick he might not feel the need to change when they go to a RAW or a Smackdown, but as a show that is conviecably better than what HHH was doing, it definitely isn't doing what they're clearly trying to make it do, appeal to the younger demo... Their potential future, ironically, is being watched by much more of their past diehards than anything else...
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 21, 2022 0:19:43 GMT -5
FCW was not on USA network, or any major network for that matter. Nor was OVW.
That’s the distinction.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 21, 2022 0:57:25 GMT -5
They can do whatever they want to help these guys get ready for the main roster. Maybe this system will work out better for them even if a disagree with their direction. Bit there's really no reason for this to be on TV.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 21, 2022 2:26:14 GMT -5
It's never not gonna be funny that Vince and CO took over NXT and tried to make it their vision of what is "Hip" and "Cool with the kids", and their key demo is at record lows while 60 year olds dominate the viewership more and more. It's kinda like that videogame target audience Vs actual audience meme. NXT 2.0 for cool younger audience = 60+ watch Attitude era at teenagers - younger kids love it Bayley for the 8 year old girls - 20-30 men are her main fans. I'm pretty sure they need to target 80+ to get the teenagers.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 21, 2022 3:32:15 GMT -5
This is pretty rough. I imagine they knew they'd take a hit, gutting the place, but it's still a bit revealing. It feels like they really know that people have a hard time getting invested since, well, it's a difficult proposition when it seems it'll only be met with punishment.
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Post by koreycaskets on Jan 21, 2022 4:03:21 GMT -5
Simon Miller from WhatCulture predicts sometime this year there will be an NXT 3.0 when Vince sees 2.0 isn't working.
It won't literally be called 3.0 but NXT will be re packaged again by end of 2022.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 21, 2022 4:06:47 GMT -5
It seems like everything I enjoy does crap ratings and everything I can't stand pops the ratings huge. I guess what I like just doesn't appeal to most people. It's very frustrating.
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Post by eJm on Jan 21, 2022 6:30:23 GMT -5
It’s becoming more developmental and will have more of the NXT stars being able to transition seamlessly to the main roster in their developmental form would be the hope. That’s all well and good and you’d hope the latter is the case and not just metaphorical but genuinely, who’d want to watch televised developmental of talent? Like, I love Arsenal but I’m not really going to watch our Under 23s or Under 18s since I’d rather see those players when they progress to the main side and get cup minutes. I’m sure not many people outside of locals watch minor league baseball. That’s not even being mean to any of the talents there, it’s just the most basic thing; having a developmental system is good but there’s no motivation for people to watch it besides “these people might come good”.
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Post by Legion on Jan 21, 2022 6:36:47 GMT -5
It’s becoming more developmental and will have more of the NXT stars being able to transition seamlessly to the main roster in their developmental form would be the hope. That’s all well and good and you’d hope the latter is the case and not just metaphorical but genuinely, who’d want to watch televised developmental of talent? Like, I love Arsenal but I’m not really going to watch our Under 23s or Under 18s since I’d rather see those players when they progress to the main side and get cup minutes. I’m sure not many people outside of locals watch minor league baseball. That’s not even being mean to any of the talents there, it’s just the most basic thing; having a developmental system is good but there’s no motivation for people to watch it besides “these people might come good”. I'm actually the opposite. I quite like watching developmental. I dont follow the Indie wrestling leagues, but I dont really see the difference - you'd watch someone in an Indie, watch them develop, watch them grow - then hope they get snagged by a big league because you've decided you like them. Ok, these people have already been snagged, so it's all under the WWE umbrella, but close your eyes to that, and it's not really any different - you should still get the same attachment and see the same progress. I just think too many people are still caught up in the idea this isn't what they want, so they wont watch it - but to WWE, all that'll sign is that the current crop of talent aren't draws, so they'll just release them and move on to the next.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 21, 2022 6:49:20 GMT -5
It’s becoming more developmental and will have more of the NXT stars being able to transition seamlessly to the main roster in their developmental form would be the hope. That’s all well and good and you’d hope the latter is the case and not just metaphorical but genuinely, who’d want to watch televised developmental of talent? Like, I love Arsenal but I’m not really going to watch our Under 23s or Under 18s since I’d rather see those players when they progress to the main side and get cup minutes. I’m sure not many people outside of locals watch minor league baseball. That’s not even being mean to any of the talents there, it’s just the most basic thing; having a developmental system is good but there’s no motivation for people to watch it besides “these people might come good”. For some, they’d rather watch a developmental with a different feel than watch a SuperIndy-style product that is being done better by AEW. Pre-AEW, I think NXT occupied that space well. But yeah, I expect less people will continue watching a developmental product. But that still doesn’t mean it’s not the best move for the company moving forward.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 21, 2022 6:52:50 GMT -5
They can do whatever they want to help these guys get ready for the main roster. Maybe this system will work out better for them even if a disagree with their direction. Bit there's really no reason for this to be on TV. They already had the TV deal in place, but the priority is clearly creating the type of future stars they want so that’s what’s most important now to them. They’re still hoping for better ratings I’m sure and will try to use main roster cameos to get them to maintain that income but clearly there’s been a shift in priority to developing stars they want.
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Post by eJm on Jan 21, 2022 6:57:39 GMT -5
For some, they’d rather watch a developmental with a different feel than watch a SuperIndy-style product that is being done better by AEW. Pre-AEW, I think NXT occupied that space well. But yeah, I expect less people will continue watching a developmental product. But that still doesn’t mean it’s not the best move for the company moving forward. Sure, but then it’s why it should really be on the network so a) they can develop without the televised pressure and b) it can be an extra selling point if this actually works because it’s all really just promises and hopes right now.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 21, 2022 6:58:45 GMT -5
It’s becoming more developmental and will have more of the NXT stars being able to transition seamlessly to the main roster in their developmental form would be the hope. That’s all well and good and you’d hope the latter is the case and not just metaphorical but genuinely, who’d want to watch televised developmental of talent? Like, I love Arsenal but I’m not really going to watch our Under 23s or Under 18s since I’d rather see those players when they progress to the main side and get cup minutes. I’m sure not many people outside of locals watch minor league baseball. That’s not even being mean to any of the talents there, it’s just the most basic thing; having a developmental system is good but there’s no motivation for people to watch it besides “these people might come good”. I think it comes down to what we consider developmental. Like, OVW in the early 2000s is really rough around the edges, and mostly only worth a watch for the novelty of seeing stars before they blow up, and the same probably goes for FCW. But, I do really like watching Dark and find that enjoyable. That one's less developmental, though, and more Heat tier, I guess. I do expect 2.0 will be tweaked as they go along. They're obviously trying to inject gimmicks into the mix, and maybe that will bear fruit over time. Right now, though, it's in a pretty awkward place.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 21, 2022 7:05:03 GMT -5
For some, they’d rather watch a developmental with a different feel than watch a SuperIndy-style product that is being done better by AEW. Pre-AEW, I think NXT occupied that space well. But yeah, I expect less people will continue watching a developmental product. But that still doesn’t mean it’s not the best move for the company moving forward. Sure, but then it’s why it should really be on the network so a) they can develop without the televised pressure and b) it can be an extra selling point if this actually works because it’s all really just promises and hopes right now. The TV deal is already in place so they’re not going to quit the deal halfway through. But it seems they’re prioritizing their vision of what developmental should be over the old superindy system, while trying to pop the ratings as best they can without deviating from their new vision. I’d imagine they’re aware it might have to go to Peacock after the current deal.
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Post by eJm on Jan 21, 2022 7:50:38 GMT -5
Sure, but then it’s why it should really be on the network so a) they can develop without the televised pressure and b) it can be an extra selling point if this actually works because it’s all really just promises and hopes right now. The TV deal is already in place so they’re not going to quit the deal halfway through. But it seems they’re prioritizing their vision of what developmental should be over the old superindy system, while trying to pop the ratings as best they can without deviating from their new vision. I’d imagine they’re aware it might have to go to Peacock after the current deal. I never said it will happen, I never really understand why you sometimes read things that I never said. If anything, I was more saying what you were saying at the end.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 21, 2022 8:12:38 GMT -5
The TV deal is already in place so they’re not going to quit the deal halfway through. But it seems they’re prioritizing their vision of what developmental should be over the old superindy system, while trying to pop the ratings as best they can without deviating from their new vision. I’d imagine they’re aware it might have to go to Peacock after the current deal. I never said it will happen, I never really understand why you sometimes read things that I never said. If anything, I was more saying what you were saying at the end. I was just adding onto the point in general, not countering a point you didn’t make.
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Post by mistery on Jan 21, 2022 11:21:33 GMT -5
NXT 2.0 is developmental, yes.
The problem with the whole "Vince has oversight now" argument is that he doesn't. He put the book in Bruce Pritchard's hands, and isn't really invested otherwise. So it's not unlikely that a lot of these 2.0 gimmicks when called up end up buried or in the same "Vince doesn't get them" spot.
Like it's hard to believe he's going to look at Carmelo Hayes and be like "Look at this guy, pal! He has star written all over him!". It's way more likely he looks at Carmelo Hayes in disgust, and feeds him to Omos. And then gives Trick the massive singles push. Of the current NXT 2.0 generation talent, only Bron has any sort of future on the main roster in my opinion. Everyone else will end up dead in the water. Otherwise I think the success rate will be just as low, if not worse than pre-2.0 in terms of callup success.
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