Big E's WWE title push

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Jan 30, 2022 1:06:25 GMT -5 Citizen Snips Has Left said:

Jan 30, 2022 0:17:22 GMT -5 @kn said:

It was over the moment Lesnar beat him for the title. Like, I don't know how many times I gotta say it but anytime someone's facing Lesnar, Reigns, Becky, Charlotte or Ronda your title run is over. They're like the Power Ranger. You'll never "outbook" these people. It says nothing about how they view Big E, it just means that hey he can't surpass these people like nobody else can surpass these people.

That's the way this company works.

Who was the last person to successfully defend a title against one of those five? Not win it from them, defend it. I want to say Asuka did it vs Becky a few Rumbles ago.

If my calculations are right (I just checked the title history these past 5 years for both main titles on both brands) then there's only been 2 technically.

1 - Asuka defended the belt against Becky but then Becky somehow got an off-screen power-up and went into the Rumble that same night and won it. It was like her loss to Asuka didn't matter because she leveled up so I'm not sure if this counts.

2 - Carmella defended the SD Women's title against Charlotte at Backlash 2018. Charlotte's knee buckled in the match and Carmella kicked it and used that to win.

So technically in these past 5 years...just Carmella beating Charlotte.

That's a wild stat.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Jan 30, 2022 1:37:35 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

Jan 30, 2022 1:29:56 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

He's not completely dead as some would make you to believe 

But he is firmly behind the top guys now but back to Sheamus level which is good but he's got to wait his turn again

The real question is will he care to wait? I'm sure when New Day's contracts come around again AEW will put together a very compelling offer, both financially and creatively.

I think they are outta there 

AEW badly needs dudes like them to fix a big minority issue on screen and backstage

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Jan 30, 2022 1:37:46 GMT -5 @kn said:

Jan 30, 2022 1:06:25 GMT -5 Citizen Snips Has Left said:

Who was the last person to successfully defend a title against one of those five? Not win it from them, defend it. I want to say Asuka did it vs Becky a few Rumbles ago.

If my calculations are right (I just checked the title history these past 5 years for both main titles on both brands) then there's only been 2 technically.

1 - Asuka defended the belt against Becky but then Becky somehow got an off-screen power-up and went into the Rumble that same night and won it. It was like her loss to Asuka didn't matter because she leveled up so I'm not sure if this counts.

2 - Carmella defended the SD Women's title against Charlotte at Backlash 2018. Charlotte's knee buckled in the match and Carmella kicked it and used that to win.

So technically in these past 5 years...just Carmella beating Charlotte.

That's a wild stat.

Asuka beating Becky was more about Becky winning the Rumble than Asuka winning. It was a clean tap but forgotten to memory 

Otherwise, yeah you got to go back a few years. Mox defended the belt against Reigns and Rollins. Mella defended against Charlotte. Technically tag titles with Asuka and Kairi beating Charlotte/Becky

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Jan 30, 2022 1:39:43 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Jan 30, 2022 1:37:35 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

The real question is will he care to wait? I'm sure when New Day's contracts come around again AEW will put together a very compelling offer, both financially and creatively.

I think they are outta there 

AEW badly needs dudes like them to fix a big minority issue on screen and backstage

And as stale as New Day are in WWE, New Day vs the Bucks alone is worth them jumping, which is to say nothing about AEW's stacked tag division and the potential singles matches.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Jan 30, 2022 1:43:43 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

Jan 30, 2022 1:39:43 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

I think they are outta there 

AEW badly needs dudes like them to fix a big minority issue on screen and backstage

And as stale as New Day are in WWE, New Day vs the Bucks alone is worth them jumping, which is to say nothing about AEW's stacked tag division and the potential singles matches.

I think it is telling that I was reading a recent Kofi interview and some of the snippets and he basically said he did not believe he was winning the WWE title at Mania until his music came on because he been told things so many times and it go away 

Xavier has always joked that Big E is the pet project and molded to be champion so for them to see how his title run has gone and how he is sort of left in the wind most likely does hurt them

I still say that despite the L, Kofi had a really good reign. Big E did not get the chance to get his reign into gear

[Oh Cry Me a Screwball]

Yup, Big E is done. If we are lucky, they pull now push King Xavier to complete the hat trick, but Big E's main event run ended as abruptly as Kofi's did, and with the same result, being thrown back together with his friends to have his billionth tag title reign.

And if Woods gets a run at the top, expect his to go the same way. They see New Day as tag guys, but one can they induct into the Hall of Fame with individual title runs while not breaking up, even if the set up is forced as hell.

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Jan 30, 2022 1:39:43 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Jan 30, 2022 1:37:35 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

The real question is will he care to wait? I'm sure when New Day's contracts come around again AEW will put together a very compelling offer, both financially and creatively.

I think they are outta there 

AEW badly needs dudes like them to fix a big minority issue on screen and backstage

Yeah those dudes could absolutely help in a major way with what's probably AEW's biggest issue overall right now.

[ppl591]

Good guy but never championship material in my eyes. The new day guys to me will always be midcard and tag team acts. He's reached his peak as a single.

[A Platypus Rave]

it's over for now, not sure if it's forever... at the very least if he leaves I can see AEW giving him a shot.

Dude was massively over but they never seemed to have any kind of plan for him as champion, so it was really meaningless.

Big E. vs Roman was the match that made more sense at the time he won the briefcase and had a story to use afterwards... but they decided again that the Roman "it never ends" tour has to continue forever until maybe the dream Rock match will happen in 2076.

[theironyuppie]

Jan 30, 2022 1:43:24 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Jan 30, 2022 1:37:46 GMT -5 @kn said:

If my calculations are right (I just checked the title history these past 5 years for both main titles on both brands) then there's only been 2 technically.

1 - Asuka defended the belt against Becky but then Becky somehow got an off-screen power-up and went into the Rumble that same night and won it. It was like her loss to Asuka didn't matter because she leveled up so I'm not sure if this counts.

2 - Carmella defended the SD Women's title against Charlotte at Backlash 2018. Charlotte's knee buckled in the match and Carmella kicked it and used that to win.

So technically in these past 5 years...just Carmella beating Charlotte.

That's a wild stat.

Asuka beating Becky was more about Becky winning the Rumble than Asuka winning. It was a clean tap but forgotten to memory 

Otherwise, yeah you got to go back a few years. Mox defended the belt against Reigns and Rollins. Mella defended against Charlotte. Technically tag titles with Asuka and Kairi beating Charlotte/Becky

WWE were pretty unsubtle about it too. They aired an Asuka hype package a couple of weeks later showcasing her achievements but didn't even mention the Becky match whatsoever. And then Becky got her win back and one more in early 2020.

[Mozenrath]

Jan 30, 2022 1:43:24 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Jan 30, 2022 1:37:46 GMT -5 @kn said:

If my calculations are right (I just checked the title history these past 5 years for both main titles on both brands) then there's only been 2 technically.

1 - Asuka defended the belt against Becky but then Becky somehow got an off-screen power-up and went into the Rumble that same night and won it. It was like her loss to Asuka didn't matter because she leveled up so I'm not sure if this counts.

2 - Carmella defended the SD Women's title against Charlotte at Backlash 2018. Charlotte's knee buckled in the match and Carmella kicked it and used that to win.

So technically in these past 5 years...just Carmella beating Charlotte.

That's a wild stat.

Asuka beating Becky was more about Becky winning the Rumble than Asuka winning. It was a clean tap but forgotten to memory 

Otherwise, yeah you got to go back a few years. Mox defended the belt against Reigns and Rollins. Mella defended against Charlotte. Technically tag titles with Asuka and Kairi beating Charlotte/Becky

I honestly kind of take it that Asuka tends to have Becky's number. She also beat Charlotte and Becky in a ladder match triple threat, didn't she? Becky has Charlotte's number but loses to Asuka, Asuka beats Becky but loses to Charlotte, Charlotte beats Asuka but usually loses to Becky. I have no idea if that was intentional on WWE's part, but it seemed to happen on a regular basis as WWE keeping them in pseudo-parity.

If you want to extend it out of that, Bayley is probably the person other than Becky who most consistently has had Charlotte's number, whereas Sasha's booking is bizarrely random, where she's beaten Charlotte a bunch of times, but infamously couldn't make it stick.

[dbrussel]

He was too damaged for clowning around with new day for years. His title reign came a few years late.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Honestly? When the time comes for New Day to re-up their deals? I hope they f*** off and give WWE the business, because that's now two reigns everyone wanted in Kofi and Big E that were given the absolute shits and given flat out embarrassing endings where they are basically told "Back to the midcard you go".

They deserve better than this empty sentiment, especially E, who feels like he just hit his ceiling in the company with a lot left to give.

I have a feeling it's gonna bite WWE in the ass, and they aren't gonna see it coming when it does.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jan 30, 2022 1:39:43 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Jan 30, 2022 1:37:35 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

The real question is will he care to wait? I'm sure when New Day's contracts come around again AEW will put together a very compelling offer, both financially and creatively.

I think they are outta there 

AEW badly needs dudes like them to fix a big minority issue on screen and backstage

AEW will back a bank truck to them, Xavier will help their gaming division like there's no tomorrow, Kofi is a veteran everyone loves, Big E is one of Brodie Jr.'s favorite people in the world

Would not be shocked one iota if this Big E run ending the way it has was the final straw and they're just gonna New Day haha it up until re-up time comes and then WWE's gonna pull one wicked surprised Pikachu when they say "No thanks".

[polarbearpete]

Jan 30, 2022 8:44:54 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Honestly? When the time comes for New Day to re-up their deals? I hope they f*** off and give WWE the business, because that's now two reigns everyone wanted in Kofi and Big E that were given the absolute shits and given flat out embarrassing endings where they are basically told "Back to the midcard you go".

They deserve better than this empty sentiment, especially E, who feels like he just hit his ceiling in the company with a lot left to give.

I have a feeling it's gonna bite WWE in the ass, and they aren't gonna see it coming when it does.

They’ve been consistently pushed and on TV for the last 8 years or so. Tag title reigns, mid card title reigns, featured in every which way and now even world title reigns. And they’ll still always be pushed and on TV. They’re in a great spot. World champion or bust would be an odd take to have when they are in such a featured spot. It’s not like they haven’t been booked incredibly well.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jan 30, 2022 8:53:41 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Jan 30, 2022 8:44:54 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Honestly? When the time comes for New Day to re-up their deals? I hope they f*** off and give WWE the business, because that's now two reigns everyone wanted in Kofi and Big E that were given the absolute shits and given flat out embarrassing endings where they are basically told "Back to the midcard you go".

They deserve better than this empty sentiment, especially E, who feels like he just hit his ceiling in the company with a lot left to give.

I have a feeling it's gonna bite WWE in the ass, and they aren't gonna see it coming when it does.

They’ve been consistently pushed and on TV for the last 8 years or so. Tag title reigns, mid card title reigns, featured in every which way and now even world title reigns. And they’ll still always be pushed and on TV. They’re in a great spot. World champion or bust would be an odd take to have when they are in such a featured spot. It’s not like they haven’t been booked incredibly well.

Nobody is saying they haven't been booked well, but Moxley was booked well too all things considered, so was Danielson, so were others

It's not always about the accolades at the end of the day... sometimes you look at all you've done and you just want to do something somewhere else, sometimes it's personal, sometimes it's not. I don't think if New Day left, it'd be a big "F*** WWE" walk, it'd be more a Danielson walk, thanks, but I gotta do me.

[ThankGodForSidJustice]

Jan 30, 2022 4:35:35 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Jan 30, 2022 1:43:24 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Asuka beating Becky was more about Becky winning the Rumble than Asuka winning. It was a clean tap but forgotten to memory 

Otherwise, yeah you got to go back a few years. Mox defended the belt against Reigns and Rollins. Mella defended against Charlotte. Technically tag titles with Asuka and Kairi beating Charlotte/Becky

I honestly kind of take it that Asuka tends to have Becky's number. She also beat Charlotte and Becky in a ladder match triple threat, didn't she? Becky has Charlotte's number but loses to Asuka, Asuka beats Becky but loses to Charlotte, Charlotte beats Asuka but usually loses to Becky. I have no idea if that was intentional on WWE's part, but it seemed to happen on a regular basis as WWE keeping them in pseudo-parity.

If you want to extend it out of that, Bayley is probably the person other than Becky who most consistently has had Charlotte's number, whereas Sasha's booking is bizarrely random, where she's beaten Charlotte a bunch of times, but infamously couldn't make it stick.

They definitely had a cool rock paper scissors thing going on with Charlotte, Becky, and Asuka for a while. However then Becky started getting the better of Asuka when they started feuding again in early 2020 and that was the basically the end of it. Now it's just simply a case of Becky>Charlotte>Asuka.

[polarbearpete]

Jan 30, 2022 8:59:11 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Jan 30, 2022 8:53:41 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

They’ve been consistently pushed and on TV for the last 8 years or so. Tag title reigns, mid card title reigns, featured in every which way and now even world title reigns. And they’ll still always be pushed and on TV. They’re in a great spot. World champion or bust would be an odd take to have when they are in such a featured spot. It’s not like they haven’t been booked incredibly well.

Nobody is saying they haven't been booked well, but Moxley was booked well too all things considered, so was Danielson, so were others

It's not always about the accolades at the end of the day... sometimes you look at all you've done and you just want to do something somewhere else, sometimes it's personal, sometimes it's not. I don't think if New Day left, it'd be a big "F*** WWE" walk, it'd be more a Danielson walk, thanks, but I gotta do me.

That’s way different than what people are saying in this thread. Making it seem like they got shafted because they’re not perma-singles main eventers.

[thehottag]

I personally would love to see New Day in AEW, if only for the stuff they could do with the Elite. But the only reason they'd ever leave WWE is if they are personally disgruntled with things like Twitch. They're still featured on TV, sell lots of merch, & are a protected enough act, if a tad stale. I wouldn't be surprised to see them resign tbh, & I wouldn't blame them if they did. I'd love to see Kofi & Big E have better title runs, but they're hardly kicking their heels in catering either.

[Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!!]

everything about his reign screams "thank you" run and they clearly don't actually see any value in him as a solo guy (and yet they'll still bitch about how they cant make any new stars)