Bryan Danielsons: Animal Kingdom

[clifford]

Slightly off topic but I loved the progression Yuta showed in his match with Mox this week. A few months ago he was destroyed on Dynamite in less than a minute; this week he went toe to toe with Mox for almost 10 minutes.

I really do enjoy the way AEW handle young talent and how you can chart their progression and trajectory easily like this.

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Why would Danielson befriend Bear Country? They are his archnemesis.

I'm all for elevating young/new talent in a stable led by veterans. But I need to have a base level of intrigue regarding them. It's not there with Moriarty, Garcia or Yuta.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Feb 4, 2022 8:34:26 GMT -5 pinja said:

Why would Danielson befriend Bear Country? They are his archnemesis.

I'm all for elevating young/new talent in a stable led by veterans. But I need to have a base level of intrigue regarding them. It's not there with Moriarty, Garcia or Yuta.

You don't have a base of intrigue with Daniel Garcia at the very least? That dude's one of the most captivating young lions in ring currently, dude's so good at selling his emotions and what's going on in ring, he'd be perfect next to Danielson. His matches with Darby and Kingston are really good

[Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby]

I think it's notable that Danielson named basically everyone that fans had already called out as a good association with Danielson...which makes me think none or almost none of them actually join up with him.

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Feb 4, 2022 13:22:35 GMT -5 Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby said:

I think it's notable that Danielson named basically everyone that fans had already called out as a good association with Danielson...which makes me think none or almost none of them actually join up with him.

I think he actually makes a faction, but it might not be a faction of those particular wrestlers. Biff Busik, Timothy Thatcher, Gresham, Josh Woods, they're all still out there... hell William Regal if you want him for an on screen character? A perfect liason manager for them all. Legit curious how this can go.

[ASYLUMHAUSEN]

Feb 4, 2022 13:39:43 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Feb 4, 2022 13:22:35 GMT -5 Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby said:

I think it's notable that Danielson named basically everyone that fans had already called out as a good association with Danielson...which makes me think none or almost none of them actually join up with him.

I think he actually makes a faction, but it might not be a faction of those particular wrestlers. Biff Busik, Timothy Thatcher, Gresham, Josh Woods, they're all still out there... hell William Regal if you want him for an on screen character? A perfect liason manager for them all. Legit curious how this can go.

I need…NEEEEEEEED…..William Regal frustrated/rage face memes that will happen due to interactions with Danhausen.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Feb 2, 2022 22:26:13 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

If he doesn't take all of these guys, a friendly reminder that Biff Busik is now free, as is Timothy Thatcher, and you also have Gresham and Josh Woods out there

Very much a lot of possibilities and I hope he runs with it, that promo was beautifully delivered

Stop talking dirty

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Feb 4, 2022 13:16:44 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Feb 4, 2022 8:34:26 GMT -5 pinja said:

Why would Danielson befriend Bear Country? They are his archnemesis.

I'm all for elevating young/new talent in a stable led by veterans. But I need to have a base level of intrigue regarding them. It's not there with Moriarty, Garcia or Yuta.

You don't have a base of intrigue with Daniel Garcia at the very least? That dude's one of the most captivating young lions in ring currently, dude's so good at selling his emotions and what's going on in ring, he'd be perfect next to Danielson. His matches with Darby and Kingston are really good

Daniel Garcia I consider a talent in-ring. But that's the problem: He's a talent, but not yet good enough to make me invested into his matches. And so far he has to rely on those to make me invested, because outside of it he seems like so many amateur wrestlers I trained with. Athletic, enjoys the grind, the pain that comes from it - maybe stemming from a place of simple frustration. It's complicated what I think of the type that Garcia portrays (wether he also is that type or not). I think he has the potential to be a great wrestler's wrestler, but I'm not sure if there's a personality in him and that's not saying he's bland, but that maybe he can't rise above his circumstances. You see, I'm still trying to gather my thoughts on it.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

This f***ing killed me lmfao

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

This interaction did really well online, over a million views in the last 36 hours. So the intrigue of Danielson potentially starting a faction has definitely hit a nerve here

[HMARK Center]

Said this in the Punk/MJF thread, but I'd be even more thrilled if Mox turns Danielson down, but it turns out Punk, stunned from his loss, has taken the deal.

Then Samoa Joe debuts as their heavy, and 2005 ROH runs wild on everyone.

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After thinking about it, I do think Mox will accept the deal but I think he'll turn it down first, challenge Page and lose and then he'll team with Bryan. Sure, it would be dope to team with him now but from a kayfabe standpoint he hasn't really needed a reason to join up yet. Whether that'll be losing to Page or his homie not being willing to team with him due to his own stuff right now or maybe Moxley getting teamed up on, I'm not sure but right now he needs a reason to join Bryan.

[Futureraven: Beelzebruv]

Feb 4, 2022 15:19:06 GMT -5 pinja said:

Feb 4, 2022 13:16:44 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

You don't have a base of intrigue with Daniel Garcia at the very least? That dude's one of the most captivating young lions in ring currently, dude's so good at selling his emotions and what's going on in ring, he'd be perfect next to Danielson. His matches with Darby and Kingston are really good

Daniel Garcia I consider a talent in-ring. But that's the problem: He's a talent, but not yet good enough to make me invested into his matches. And so far he has to rely on those to make me invested, because outside of it he seems like so many amateur wrestlers I trained with. Athletic, enjoys the grind, the pain that comes from it - maybe stemming from a place of simple frustration. It's complicated what I think of the type that Garcia portrays (wether he also is that type or not). I think he has the potential to be a great wrestler's wrestler, but I'm not sure if there's a personality in him and that's not saying he's bland, but that maybe he can't rise above his circumstances. You see, I'm still trying to gather my thoughts on it.

This is EXACTLY what people were saying about Danielson in the early 00s, there's no one better to help him along.

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Feb 8, 2022 10:02:11 GMT -5 Futureraven: Beelzebruv said:

Feb 4, 2022 15:19:06 GMT -5 pinja said:

Daniel Garcia I consider a talent in-ring. But that's the problem: He's a talent, but not yet good enough to make me invested into his matches. And so far he has to rely on those to make me invested, because outside of it he seems like so many amateur wrestlers I trained with. Athletic, enjoys the grind, the pain that comes from it - maybe stemming from a place of simple frustration. It's complicated what I think of the type that Garcia portrays (wether he also is that type or not). I think he has the potential to be a great wrestler's wrestler, but I'm not sure if there's a personality in him and that's not saying he's bland, but that maybe he can't rise above his circumstances. You see, I'm still trying to gather my thoughts on it.

This is EXACTLY what people were saying about Danielson in the early 00s, there's no one better to help him along.

What exactly did they say about Danielson or what did they mean by it? Because, as said, I'm still not sure how to put it. Maybe I'll understand my skepticism towards Garcia better if I'll understand Danielson's early struggles.

[Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby]

Feb 8, 2022 12:09:20 GMT -5 pinja said:

Feb 8, 2022 10:02:11 GMT -5 Futureraven: Beelzebruv said:

This is EXACTLY what people were saying about Danielson in the early 00s, there's no one better to help him along.

What exactly did they say about Danielson or what did they mean by it? Because, as said, I'm still not sure how to put it. Maybe I'll understand my skepticism towards Garcia better if I'll understand Danielson's early struggles.

Danielson was frequently described as a bland-looking guy with no personality. He absolutely had a similar look to Garcia, like the most stereotypical MMA fighter ever, and he was awkward as hell in promos. Garcia is pretty much the kind of wrestler that Danielson was circa 2003.

[Futureraven: Beelzebruv]

Feb 8, 2022 12:09:20 GMT -5 pinja said:

Feb 8, 2022 10:02:11 GMT -5 Futureraven: Beelzebruv said:

This is EXACTLY what people were saying about Danielson in the early 00s, there's no one better to help him along.

What exactly did they say about Danielson or what did they mean by it? Because, as said, I'm still not sure how to put it. Maybe I'll understand my skepticism towards Garcia better if I'll understand Danielson's early struggles.

Talented but bland, looks like a no frills mma guy, no charisma or personality.

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Feb 8, 2022 12:20:46 GMT -5 Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby said:

Feb 8, 2022 12:09:20 GMT -5 pinja said:

What exactly did they say about Danielson or what did they mean by it? Because, as said, I'm still not sure how to put it. Maybe I'll understand my skepticism towards Garcia better if I'll understand Danielson's early struggles.

Danielson was frequently described as a bland-looking guy with no personality. He absolutely had a similar look to Garcia, like the most stereotypical MMA fighter ever, and he was awkward as hell in promos. Garcia is pretty much the kind of wrestler that Danielson was circa 2003.

But I tried to convey that that's not the problem I have with Garcia. Yuta I think is bland - Garcia isn't, he's got spunk. But does he have a personality? Personality might be the wrong word, but I'm lacking a better one. I'm not familiar with Danielson's path prior to the WWE. It seemed the personality was there from the get go, but the circumstances hindered him to show it, because it's a rather atypical one for a wrestler. He isn't a personality like Hogan, Rock, Taker. But once he found a way to integrate his private personality into his wrestling, once he was allowed to do so, there was no denying his outstanding presence. Garcia reminds me of people who lend themselves wonderfully to their competetive environment, but because of that, they often don't rise above. That can be totally unfair and is just a vibe I get that likely tells more about myself than anybody else.

[RKTaker]

Feb 8, 2022 12:35:03 GMT -5 pinja said:

Feb 8, 2022 12:20:46 GMT -5 Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby said:

Danielson was frequently described as a bland-looking guy with no personality. He absolutely had a similar look to Garcia, like the most stereotypical MMA fighter ever, and he was awkward as hell in promos. Garcia is pretty much the kind of wrestler that Danielson was circa 2003.

But I tried to convey that that's not the problem I have with Garcia. Yuta I think is bland - Garcia isn't, he's got spunk. But does he have a personality? Personality might be the wrong word, but I'm lacking a better one. I'm not familiar with Danielson's path prior to the WWE. It seemed the personality was there from the get go, but the circumstances hindered him to show it, because it's a rather atypical one for a wrestler. He isn't a personality like Hogan, Rock, Taker. But once he found a way to integrate his private personality into his wrestling, once he was allowed to do so, there was no denying his outstanding presence. Garcia reminds me of people who lend themselves wonderfully to their competetive environment, but because of that, they often don't rise above. That can be totally unfair and is just a vibe I get that likely tells more about myself than anybody else.

Having no personality does make you bland though, and also Garcia is very young being in a faction with someone like Danielson and maybe Mox who has experience can help him rather than with 2.0. Same with Moriarty

[eJm]

I don't know if I'd say Garcia has no personality, though. Like, I can agree that it hasn't been developed enough but I wouldn't say he has none and that sort of comes through in his ring work.

But that's just me, I guess.

[pinja]

I think there's a big difference between being bland and having no personality. Although, noone really has no personality. Some just shine through more than others. I'd say what's often described as the intangible it-factor is the same as not being bland. Guys like Danielson, like Bret Hart and maybe Garcia aren't like that. They don't have that intangible quality. But what they have is at least equally valueable - a tangible personality. Danielson is a real person and a wrestler and there's no dividing what's making him him and what's making him a grade A wrestler. It's naked authenticity and what we see is a rock solid person with beliefs, interests, strenghts, weaknesses. Everybody has that to a degree, but most also know the struggle with being authentic about your more deviating traits. Danielson's tangible deviating traits make him so outstanding. Bret was very similar to that, because since him I've never witnessed any wrestler with an equal sense of desperation in his work. I can't transition this to Garcia, thinking about this feels more like being an old man trying to tell a prodigy that it's not about being good early on, but to see yourself in your work.